
Two Witnesses
In chapters 11–13, the sound of the seventh trumpet reveals the arrival of two witnesses. They bring the Gospel message during times of demonic-inspired misery as Satan and the antiChrist exert their evil rule.
Air dates: 2020-Aug-05
Production Code: 2030
Episode 5 of 8 in the series “Revelation: Unveiling the Visions”
Duration: 28:30
Year: 2020
Series code: DRUV
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Caption transcript for Revelation: Unveiling the Visions — “Two Witnesses” (5/8)
- 00:03 male announcer: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots"
 - 00:06 with insightful Bible teaching by Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
 - 00:10 ♪♪♪
 - 00:15 ♪♪♪
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 - 00:28 David: We are so glad you've joined us today.
 - 00:29 I'm David Hart.
 - 00:31 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
 - 00:32 Jeffrey Seif: Jeffrey Seif here, and yes, really glad.
 - 00:35 They are here as well in chapter 11, verse 15.
 - 00:38 They're singing, "The kingdom of this world has become
 - 00:42 the kingdom of our Lord."
 - 00:44 Oh, for that day to come soon, yes?
 - 00:46 David: It's been such an interesting series already.
 - 00:49 I think maybe a takeaway for me is to remain faithful
 - 00:54 even in hardship.
 - 00:56 Kirsten: With its ups and downs.
 - 00:58 David: Ups and downs.
 - 00:59 Jeffrey: Yeah, and we're gonna see that here as we work
 - 01:00 our way through today's program.
 - 01:02 There's definitely some downs and there's some ups.
 - 01:03 It sounds a lot like life.
 - 01:05 Kirsten: And we have a dragon,
 - 01:06 but we're not gonna get into that.
 - 01:08 You can teach about the dragon. I don't like dragons.
 - 01:10 Jeffrey: Yeah, there's some persecution here that's
 - 01:11 unleashed against the Jews.
 - 01:13 I can talk about that personally, not just as
 - 01:15 a literary student and we'll get into it.
 - 01:18 David: That's right.
 - 01:19 Right now let's go to Dr. Seif's teaching on Revelation.
 - 01:22 ♪♪♪
 - 01:27 Jeffrey: Revelation chapter 11 opens up with a picture out
 - 01:31 of Ezekiel who, toward the end of his book, is beckoned
 - 01:34 to go and measure the temple.
 - 01:36 I mention that here because in chapter 11, verse 1, you have
 - 01:40 the command to do much the same.
 - 01:42 There are those in the temple worshiping,
 - 01:44 outside the courtyards are trampled, and then we're told
 - 01:48 that there are these two witnesses who are given voice
 - 01:52 to prophesy in these very difficult days,
 - 01:55 and hell comes against them but they keep speaking.
 - 01:58 We're told one of these two has power to shut up the heaven so
 - 02:03 there'll be no rain.
 - 02:05 And the other has power over waters to turn them into blood,
 - 02:08 et cetera.
 - 02:09 This reminds me of the days of Elijah and the days of Moses and
 - 02:12 some think these witnesses are akin to those personalities:
 - 02:15 one prays and shuts up the heavens, the other prays
 - 02:18 and the waters turn to blood.
 - 02:21 There's this supernatural element to their ministries.
 - 02:24 The point here and, by the way, when I think of Moses and
 - 02:26 Elijah, Moses was the greatest writing prophet; Elijah was
 - 02:31 the greatest non-writing prophet in the Hebrew Bible.
 - 02:35 There are some that minister in word, you know, the biblical
 - 02:39 Word, and there are some that have a prophetic word.
 - 02:43 People think of the differences between Spirit-filled churches,
 - 02:46 so-called, and non-Spirit filled.
 - 02:48 There's different varieties.
 - 02:50 The point is both these witnesses are giving voice in
 - 02:53 their own way and we're kind of thrown back to recall some
 - 02:57 biblical personalities.
 - 02:59 What happens, both of them become the object of demonic
 - 03:03 wrath and they're executed only to rise again.
 - 03:07 Breath enters into them again in verse 11 and they stand up and
 - 03:12 this creates quite a stir.
 - 03:15 The point is, if I can speak to the moment here, that amidst the
 - 03:20 turbulence of trying times we're told that forces
 - 03:24 are invested against the righteous but they prevail.
 - 03:29 It's not just a good word for them here, it's a good word
 - 03:33 for me and you here.
 - 03:36 I mention that because when you read on through the chapter,
 - 03:40 before you get out of it, there's something of a praise
 - 03:43 service going on.
 - 03:44 That is to say, things get dark, true,
 - 03:47 but the light is about to shine.
 - 03:51 "The kingdom of this world," in verse 15, is going to be
 - 03:55 "the kingdom of our Lord and of his Anointed One.
 - 03:59 And he shall reign forever and ever."
 - 04:02 There's this cry even against the backdrop of a world gone bad
 - 04:06 that there is a new world coming.
 - 04:10 And that's the heart cry of every Christian, everyone who's
 - 04:12 been regenerated by the power of the Holy Spirit.
 - 04:16 We can give voice to that here.
 - 04:19 Here, even with these trumpets, with these negative things
 - 04:24 unleashed upon the earth, we see an emergent testimony.
 - 04:27 We see a word.
 - 04:29 We see a prophetic word, a biblical word.
 - 04:31 It keeps on going and eventually it wins at day's end,
 - 04:36 in verse 17: "We thank you, Adonai Elohei-Tzva'ot,"
 - 04:40 we thank you, God, the Lord of the Armies,
 - 04:43 the Lord of Hosts, "who is and was,
 - 04:46 because you have taken your great power
 - 04:48 and begun to reign."
 - 04:51 What a good word.
 - 04:53 He goes on to say, "The nations were enraged, but your wrath
 - 04:57 has come and the time for the dead to be judged--
 - 05:01 to reward your servants, the prophets and the saints,
 - 05:05 and those who fear your name, the small and the great,
 - 05:08 and to destroy the destroyers of the earth."
 - 05:13 It's worth considering the context of the text, where,
 - 05:20 around 95 AD, there is persecution going on
 - 05:24 in the empire.
 - 05:26 There's a king who sets himself up as Lord and God.
 - 05:29 Individuals are beckoned to do obeisance to him
 - 05:31 as to divinity.
 - 05:34 The early followers of Jesus just can't buy into that.
 - 05:37 They then are accused of being disloyal.
 - 05:40 They're marginalized and persecuted in the empire.
 - 05:43 They're seen as social undesirables.
 - 05:46 The first recipients of this message lived within that world.
 - 05:50 We live in a world today that's wrought with many perils but in
 - 05:54 North America, anyways, we're not really persecuted
 - 05:56 for our faith.
 - 05:58 Some people can be dismissive of us, but you don't have
 - 06:01 governmental structures really bearing down on the hard,
 - 06:04 certainly not like you had here.
 - 06:07 This author gives voice to the fact that the world is going
 - 06:10 to turn, that God's kingdom is going to come.
 - 06:16 His will will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
 - 06:19 That would have been a stretch to say that back then when the
 - 06:22 early followers of Jesus were a small cult at the ragged edge
 - 06:25 of civilization.
 - 06:27 Now, it's different and, indeed, it'll be different
 - 06:29 in the days to come.
 - 06:31 It's great to see and I love hearing it in the literature,
 - 06:34 the prophetic voice that gives voice to the ultimate triumph
 - 06:36 of God in human history.
 - 06:38 And that, by the way, is the good news behind
 - 06:40 the book of Revelation.
 - 06:42 There's a world here and we've just looked at it,
 - 06:44 and we'll look at it some more.
 - 06:46 There's sweeping disease, decay, despair,
 - 06:48 disorientation, and war.
 - 06:50 All of that is unleashed, but we see an emergent kingdom promised
 - 06:55 and we're gonna see that kingdom rise
 - 06:57 as we make our way through Revelation.
 - 07:00 Stay with me on the journey. There's a lot more to come.
 - 07:03 We're barely halfway through, as we look at Revelation
 - 07:07 and we look to unveil the visions noted therein.
 - 07:12 ♪♪♪
 - 07:22 Jeffrey: Revelation chapter 12 is a fascinating chapter.
 - 07:27 I want you to open it up and have a look here.
 - 07:29 The author has a vision.
 - 07:31 We're told in verse 1: "A sign appears in heaven: a woman."
 - 07:36 And the woman in verse 2 is pregnant,
 - 07:39 crying out in birth pangs.
 - 07:41 In agony, ready to give birth.
 - 07:44 She's in travail.
 - 07:46 And then we're told in verse 3 that he sees this dragon,
 - 07:49 this beast.
 - 07:51 Now, the picture here is this beast presents to the woman,
 - 07:54 and the beast is about to devour the child when the child
 - 07:58 is brought forth.
 - 08:01 We're told this dragon appeared.
 - 08:02 His tail sweeps away the stars of heaven.
 - 08:05 "It stood before the woman who was about to give birth."
 - 08:08 Now people say, "I don't understand
 - 08:10 this book of Revelation."
 - 08:12 Okay, think 1st century, not 21st century.
 - 08:14 Just let the imagery sit there for a second.
 - 08:17 We're told in verse 5 the woman gives birth to a son,
 - 08:21 "a male child, who's to rule all the nations
 - 08:25 with a rod of iron."
 - 08:26 Ultimately, this child is destined to rule,
 - 08:30 to have superintendency.
 - 08:32 And we're told here the child was snatched away to God.
 - 08:36 So the child is born, has destiny all over it,
 - 08:39 and the child is spirited away on the quick.
 - 08:42 We're told the woman then flees into the wilderness
 - 08:45 for protection.
 - 08:47 In verse 7 then, this war breaks out in heaven between Michael
 - 08:52 and his angels, and against the dragon.
 - 08:55 There's this cosmic spiritual warfare going on.
 - 08:59 We're told in verse 9: "The great dragon was thrown down
 - 09:02 to earth, called the devil and Satan."
 - 09:06 So you can see how this plays out, that Satan tried to destroy
 - 09:11 the child but it didn't happen.
 - 09:13 You might remember when Jesus was born that the Matthean
 - 09:17 Gospel gives voice to the fact that Herod tried
 - 09:20 to snuff him out initially.
 - 09:22 It didn't happen.
 - 09:24 What happens here is war breaks out between the seed of
 - 09:29 Satan, the dragon, and his minions, and the woman
 - 09:33 and her children.
 - 09:34 We're told he was thrown down to earth and he then vents his fury
 - 09:41 on others who, in verse 11, "overcome him by the blood
 - 09:46 of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony."
 - 09:49 There's a fascinating story here of a kind of spiritual warfare
 - 09:54 and the implications of it, I think, are profound.
 - 09:59 We look in the literature.
 - 10:00 We're told in verse 13: "The dragon saw that he'd been
 - 10:04 thrown to the earth, and he stalked the woman
 - 10:07 who gave birth to the male child."
 - 10:10 What happened, he wasn't able to kill the child so you have here
 - 10:14 the devil going after the woman who brought forth the child.
 - 10:19 Now, let me ask you the question: where did this Christ
 - 10:23 child come from?
 - 10:25 You look in the first breath of the New Testament:
 - 10:28 "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David,
 - 10:32 the Son of Abraham."
 - 10:34 He comes from the Jewish people.
 - 10:37 Unable to destroy the Christ child here,
 - 10:41 you have this Satan investing his fury against the people
 - 10:48 who brought him into the world.
 - 10:51 Thus we get here at the essence and substance of anti-Semitism.
 - 10:56 It's an age-old question: why do people hate the Jews.
 - 11:00 From generation to generation, it's not that the Jews
 - 11:03 are a bad lot.
 - 11:05 And I know you don't hate the Jews 'cause you're watching one,
 - 11:08 that you invest money, some of you do, thank you,
 - 11:11 to help us support the program and pay
 - 11:14 these astronomical bills.
 - 11:16 But there are a lot of people that don't like Jewish people
 - 11:18 and Jewish perspective.
 - 11:20 And people wonder why.
 - 11:22 Jews aren't a bad lot.
 - 11:23 Pound for pound, we're good people on the whole.
 - 11:25 We work hard, we tend to do right, tend to be
 - 11:27 an ethical and moral people.
 - 11:29 You look in the jails, you don't see a lot of Jews therein.
 - 11:32 It's not like we're just leaching off of culture
 - 11:34 in some way.
 - 11:36 We carry our own weight.
 - 11:37 Why do people hate Jews?
 - 11:39 It's spiritual.
 - 11:40 The devil was not able to get the ultimate Son of the Jews,
 - 11:44 according to the text, but he invests himself in going
 - 11:47 after the people from which the Jews come.
 - 11:52 And this goes on into the future.
 - 11:56 We're told in verse 17 particularly,
 - 11:59 "The dragon became enraged at the woman
 - 12:02 and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring--
 - 12:06 those who keep the commandments of God and hold
 - 12:09 to the testimony of Yeshua."
 - 12:11 It seems here that not only the Jewish people generally,
 - 12:15 you know, have a target on their back, but Jewish believers
 - 12:18 in Yeshua, particularly, become the object of a kind
 - 12:21 of demon-inspired angst.
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 - 12:35 because the strong, amen, enemies are pretty strong.
 - 12:37 That's the bad news.
 - 12:39 The good news, of course, is that God
 - 12:40 has everything under control, more to come.
 - 12:43 ♪♪♪
 - 12:49 David: Our resource this week, the series,
 - 12:51 "Revelation: Unveiling the Visions," on DVD.
 - 12:55 Dr. Jeffrey Seif walks through all 22 chapters of the book of
 - 12:59 Revelation from glorious visions and angelic visitations
 - 13:03 to darkness and judgment.
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 - 14:44 on the book of Revelation.
 - 14:47 ♪♪♪
 - 14:51 Jeffrey: Harking to the previous segment,
 - 14:53 when we think of this war being enraged against the woman,
 - 14:57 those 1st century readers would have understood
 - 15:00 that Judea was wracked by war.
 - 15:03 To be sure, in the late '60s, war breaks out and the Jerusalem
 - 15:08 temple is destroyed and the population here is dispersed.
 - 15:12 Many go up north into Syria and Antioch.
 - 15:14 Some pivot and go to North Africa.
 - 15:17 But Judea is obliterated and not long after that as well,
 - 15:21 in the 130s AD, there'll be another war that'll break out
 - 15:24 and a good half a million dead there.
 - 15:27 Jewish people were pounded.
 - 15:30 It's like the Messiah came forth from the Jewish people in this
 - 15:33 world and pounded into the dust.
 - 15:36 You know, it's amazing, by the way, the Jewish people survived.
 - 15:39 I'm just telling you it's just something because we're punished
 - 15:44 out of proportion to our crimes, that is to say nobody's perfect
 - 15:47 in this world but we're not a bad lot.
 - 15:50 But have all this anger invested against us beyond--
 - 15:55 it pales, you know, there's no reasoning behind it.
 - 15:59 It's just inspired by something other than reasoning.
 - 16:02 And I think the book of Revelation gives
 - 16:04 a window into that.
 - 16:06 There is a kind of spiritual warfare at play.
 - 16:09 Speaking of spiritual warfare, our journey continues
 - 16:11 in the 13th chapter.
 - 16:13 The author sees these beasts coming out of the sea.
 - 16:17 He sees just more demon-inspired misery.
 - 16:23 He sees demonic forces in verse 7 invested against the kedoshim,
 - 16:28 against the saints, and they overcome them.
 - 16:32 We're seeing that this diabolical leader, this beast--
 - 16:35 by the way in the Johannine literature,
 - 16:38 in John's, you know, letters, he's the Antichrist.
 - 16:41 Here he's the beast.
 - 16:43 There's different languages for the devil
 - 16:45 when the devil has his day, but here a beast.
 - 16:48 He comes and we're told "he was given authority," temporarily
 - 16:53 "over every tribe, people, tongue, and nation.
 - 16:56 And all who dwell on the earth worship him--
 - 16:59 everyone whose name is not written from the foundation in
 - 17:02 the world in the Book of Life and of the Lamb."
 - 17:06 In Daniel we see the books are open, those that are in the Book
 - 17:10 of Life, those that are not in the Book of Life.
 - 17:13 Daniel also gives a vision into a climatic struggle,
 - 17:18 defiling authorities that persecute believers, et cetera.
 - 17:22 We're told here in verse 10 this environment, this mix, calls for
 - 17:28 "the perseverance and faith of the kedoshim," of the saints.
 - 17:33 Sometimes things get bad and we just have to fasten
 - 17:37 our seatbelts and persevere.
 - 17:41 Well, we'll go--we go on and we read about how this
 - 17:44 demonic-inspired person in the end of days
 - 17:46 "performs great signs," in verse 13.
 - 17:50 And in verse 14, "He deceives those who dwell on the earth
 - 17:54 through the signs that he is permitted to perform."
 - 17:58 We're seeing as well that he beckons individuals to make an
 - 18:01 image in the honor of him and becomes the object of adoration.
 - 18:07 You might recall Paul gives voice to the anti-Messiah taking
 - 18:12 his seat in the Temple of God and he proclaims himself
 - 18:15 that he is God, and he beckons people worship him.
 - 18:19 It sounds far-fetched. We're not used to that.
 - 18:21 In century one, they were.
 - 18:23 I mention that because it was not at all uncommon for emperors
 - 18:26 to come to power.
 - 18:28 They have coins minted to them that they are lord and god.
 - 18:31 They beckon people to worship them as a god.
 - 18:33 There's a state religion, and people are beckoned
 - 18:36 to do obeisance to an emperor as to a god.
 - 18:40 Much as in schools today, people do a pledge of allegiance
 - 18:45 to the flag, that similarly in antiquity they would do
 - 18:49 a certain gesture to the emperor as a god.
 - 18:52 It was just a sign of good citizenship.
 - 18:54 The problem is, is followers of Yeshua couldn't do it.
 - 18:57 It just didn't comport with their sensibility and thus
 - 19:00 they're construed as poor citizens and then, you know,
 - 19:03 the fight is on.
 - 19:05 We go on here and just see that the believers are jostled about
 - 19:11 as they just can't comport with the sensibilities
 - 19:13 of the regnant culture.
 - 19:15 It's like that today, too, I should say, that, you know,
 - 19:18 we just can't really abide the slaughter of the innocents
 - 19:20 in the womb.
 - 19:22 There's just certain things that people of faith just have to
 - 19:24 draw the line in the sand and say no, and then we're
 - 19:27 marginalized because of it and who knows what else
 - 19:29 will become of it.
 - 19:31 But it's all here.
 - 19:32 We're told as well, before we get out of the chapter, that
 - 19:35 wickedness is very prevalent here and the righteous are
 - 19:38 beckoned to just bear up underneath it and not get
 - 19:43 the mark of the beast, interestingly.
 - 19:45 It's a interesting term here, that this anti-Messiah
 - 19:49 causes all to worship him and to receive a mark on their hand
 - 19:53 and on their forehead.
 - 19:56 And no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark.
 - 19:59 And then we're told later on, the mark of the beast
 - 20:02 is the number 666.
 - 20:06 And you're saying, "Jeffrey, can you tell us what
 - 20:08 that's all about?"
 - 20:10 That's the question.
 - 20:12 The answer is no, that there's various opinions out there.
 - 20:14 You're invited to google.
 - 20:16 All that I can say is that at day's end, individuals are
 - 20:20 beckoned to subscribe to the wicked world ruler and buy into
 - 20:25 his program in different ways and there is a kind of civil
 - 20:29 disobedience that's called for, even to the harm of the person
 - 20:34 because they just can't subscribe to it.
 - 20:36 I would encourage you to be guided by biblical virtue, you
 - 20:40 know, and if you're asked to make a decision between this
 - 20:43 or biblical virtue, go with the biblical virtue.
 - 20:46 You might have to pay a little price for it but at the end of
 - 20:48 the day, it is what it is.
 - 20:50 And speaking of the end of the day, a day is coming and we'll
 - 20:53 receive our reward in heaven when we hear the words,
 - 20:56 "Well done, good and faithful servant."
 - 20:59 Well, we'll hear that at the end.
 - 21:01 We're at the end of this one right now and thank you for
 - 21:03 going with me on the journey as we're taking a look at the book
 - 21:06 in Revelation and trying to see the mysteries behind the veil,
 - 21:10 behind the visions.
 - 21:12 God bless. Let's do it again.
 - 21:15 ♪♪♪
 - 21:21 ♪ Where are you? ♪
 - 21:24 ♪ Lord, help me ♪
 - 21:26 ♪ Give me an answer ♪
 - 21:29 ♪ Forsaken and broken, I'm so afraid ♪
 - 21:37 ♪ Day and night I cry to you ♪
 - 21:40 ♪ my very deepest need ♪
 - 21:45 ♪ Let me hear your voice ♪
 - 22:00 ♪ Lord, if I sin, you'll forgive my offenses ♪
 - 22:16 ♪ Lord, don't forget ♪
 - 22:23 ♪ don't forsake me, your servant ♪
 - 22:31 ♪ Oh, my God ♪
 - 22:35 ♪♪♪
 - 22:44 ♪ Acquainted with sorrow, a man who knows grief ♪
 - 22:52 ♪ Familiar with suffering, a man like me ♪
 - 23:00 ♪ Surely he will come to meet my very deepest needs ♪
 - 23:08 ♪ God has answered me ♪
 - 23:16 ♪ God has answered me ♪♪
 - 23:28 David: That was a song by our founder, Zola Levitt.
 - 23:29 We hope you enjoy his music.
 - 23:31 Today we are halfway through this series on Revelation.
 - 23:34 Lots of ups and downs.
 - 23:36 We call it a rollercoaster ride.
 - 23:37 Lot more to come, yes?
 - 23:39 Jeffrey: That's the ride of the Jewish people,
 - 23:40 a lot of ups and downs.
 - 23:42 Kirsten: Okay, I mentioned this dragon in our little first
 - 23:45 segment together, but this dragon is coming to devour
 - 23:49 a child and--but also it's a nation.
 - 23:52 Jeffrey: Well, according to the literature here in
 - 23:55 the 12th chapter, this beast goes after this Messianic child.
 - 24:00 Unsuccessful with that, this horrific beast goes after that
 - 24:05 which brought the child into the world and the offspring of that,
 - 24:08 so we're looking at the people of Israel, the nation of Israel.
 - 24:12 And certainly, you find wars in century one where Rome vents
 - 24:17 its fury hard and fast against the Jewish people,
 - 24:21 resulting in the destruction of the temple.
 - 24:23 Kirsten: So much though.
 - 24:25 It's been throughout history.
 - 24:26 I mean, don't you have family that survived the Holocaust?
 - 24:29 Jeffrey: Yeah, my mother was smuggled
 - 24:31 out of Nazi Germany by nuns.
 - 24:33 You know, and frankly, I'm just amazed that there are any Jewish
 - 24:37 people that believe in Jesus because Jewish people are
 - 24:40 predisposed to look at Christian people as anti-Jewish because of
 - 24:44 just a checkered history because of all of that and, growing
 - 24:50 up, I used to--you hear, "You dirty Jew,
 - 24:54 you killed Christ," 'cause I was born
 - 24:56 and raised religious Jew.
 - 24:57 Kirsten: Did you literally hear that?
 - 24:59 Jeffrey: Yes, when I was 12, 13 years old,
 - 25:00 I was accused of killing Christ.
 - 25:02 I remember thinking, I didn't know who Christ was.
 - 25:03 I could have killed my sister at the time, but not Christ.
 - 25:05 David: So you're really a miracle that you're sitting here
 - 25:07 teaching Messianic teaching.
 - 25:08 Jeffrey: I think it's a miracle for any Jewish person
 - 25:10 to accept Jesus.
 - 25:12 For a Jewish person to be a Christian, it's kind of like
 - 25:14 from a Jewish perspective, it's like a black person
 - 25:16 joining the Ku Klux Klan.
 - 25:18 It just doesn't look like a place for Jews.
 - 25:21 And people just scratch their heads, but you know,
 - 25:24 we live in a day and time when the Lord's just reaching out
 - 25:28 to more and more Jewish people.
 - 25:30 And not only are Jewish people coming to know the Lord like
 - 25:32 myself, my wife, and others, but there are non-Jewish Christian
 - 25:36 people that are falling in love with the Jews
 - 25:38 and that's why you tune into something like this.
 - 25:41 Yeah, I, as a younger person, you know, accepted the Lord
 - 25:44 and went to Bible college seminary,
 - 25:46 became a ministry professor and now I'm--
 - 25:49 Kirsten: I just wanna jump in and I don't know if this
 - 25:51 is even our place to do it, just to apologize.
 - 25:55 I mean, as a whole, I think this program would like to apologize
 - 25:59 to Jewish people.
 - 26:00 If you are Jewish and you're watching, gosh, what we--
 - 26:03 what the church has done, that's how we--
 - 26:05 we grew up in the church.
 - 26:07 Thankfully, the two of us did not grow up
 - 26:09 in Jewish-hating churches.
 - 26:12 But I can't even imagine what you walked through having
 - 26:15 someone say that you're a Christ-killer.
 - 26:17 Jeffrey: I think that people that support us,
 - 26:19 personally, emotionally, spiritually, financially,
 - 26:23 are sensitive to that.
 - 26:24 They know the images of the Holocaust and they just--
 - 26:27 it's a way of showing love for the Jewish people.
 - 26:30 Unfortunately, a lot of our friends are getting older,
 - 26:33 I'm getting older, you know, I'm 64.
 - 26:35 Kirsten: You don't look a day over 60.
 - 26:37 Jeffrey: Well, you're kind.
 - 26:39 And the younger generation, the extent to which they have these
 - 26:42 appreciations, I don't know, but that's why I so appreciate you
 - 26:46 because young people watch television and they watch
 - 26:48 the Internet, they watch videos and they watch us.
 - 26:51 Thank you for your support, your friendship, to help us
 - 26:54 to tell the story.
 - 26:56 David: Can you give us a taste of what's coming
 - 26:57 next week at all?
 - 26:59 Jeffrey: Well, you know, more of Revelation.
 - 27:01 There's some good, there's some bad, and there's some ugly.
 - 27:03 Stay tuned for it.
 - 27:04 Hey, listen, thank you so much for your friendship,
 - 27:07 for going with us on the journey.
 - 27:09 As you go now, shaalu shalom Yerushalayim.
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