Caption transcript for Faith of our Fathers: “Faith to Build a Nation Upon” (4/8)

• 00:01 ♪♪♪
• 00:03 David Hart: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots."
• 00:09 The Word of God has given us examples of faith that have
• 00:12 shaped virtually every aspect of the believer's life today.
• 00:17 Where would we be without the examples of Noah, Abraham, and
• 00:22 Isaac, David, and ultimately that of Yeshua Jesus?
• 00:28 Faith is woven into the fabric of America as well.
• 00:32 From the pilgrims to John Adams to Patrick Henry and George
• 00:36 Washington, God's providential hand remained highly esteemed
• 00:42 and honored above all.
• 00:44 Faith unshakeable, faith unstoppable,
• 00:48 "Faith of our Fathers."
• 00:54 David: Thank you for joining us today, I am David Hart.
• 00:57 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
• 00:58 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I am Jeffrey Seif, and we are
• 01:01 so glad that you're tuning in to the "Faith of our Fathers."
• 01:06 It's a great series.
• 01:08 Kirsten: I grew up in church.
• 01:09 Dave grew up in church too.
• 01:11 I sang in the Presbyterian hymnal a song, a hymn, "Faith of
• 01:15 our Fathers," and today you're really kinda focusing in on that
• 01:19 deep faith that they all had and that our biblical fathers had.
• 01:24 Jeffrey: And there's a lot of great stuff in that
• 01:25 hymns that people forget.
• 01:26 There's a lot of great stuff in American literature that people
• 01:29 forget that speaks about the faith that resounded in the
• 01:33 hearts and minds of those that founded this culture.
• 01:35 David: That's right. It's all about faith.
• 01:37 It's--there's a parallel there with "Faith of our Fathers"
• 01:41 and faith of our nation.
• 01:43 Dr. Seif teaches right now.
• 01:45 Let's go there.
• 01:48 [Jeffrey speaking in Hebrew]
• 01:51 Jeffrey: There's your two words for the day.
• 01:54 "Admat kodesh," holy ground.
• 01:59 If you can remember the story, Moshe Rabbenu, Moses was
• 02:03 beckoned to come close.
• 02:05 He heard a voice and he responded to it, and the Lord
• 02:09 spoke to him through it and beckoned him to come.
• 02:14 We'll get to that in a moment.
• 02:16 And he was beckoned to take off his sandals, why?
• 02:19 Because of admat kodesh, holy ground.
• 02:25 Now, there's a sense where God is that the space is sacred, and
• 02:32 we don't work with that in modernity as much as our
• 02:35 forefathers did, as much as they did in biblical antiquity.
• 02:40 That is to say, today, worship space can be a
• 02:42 gymnasium, a storefront.
• 02:45 You know, the sticks and bricks don't matter.
• 02:47 And the minister can be Brother Bob.
• 02:49 He's all about or she's all about just wanting to
• 02:52 be one of the folk.
• 02:54 There's not special clerical garb to denote the minister,
• 02:58 never mind titled language like "The Reverend Doctor
• 03:01 Bishop" or whatever.
• 03:02 That seems so very old guard, but that which is old guard
• 03:08 comes from a kind of reverence that's noted in the biblical
• 03:12 literature for sacred space.
• 03:16 Could it be that those that approach the
• 03:18 space, if there's more seriousness in it, maybe
• 03:21 they're more apt to get something from it?
• 03:23 Well, that's the logic. I'll leave it to you.
• 03:25 It's not my point for today, it's just the beginning of it.
• 03:28 Because you might recall from Shemot, from Exodus, in the 3rd
• 03:32 chapter, Moshe Rabbenu of course is beckoned to come.
• 03:36 And he was beckoned to come and he was downloaded with a
• 03:39 message, and the message was very simple and he gave it to
• 03:43 Pharaoh Melech Mitzrayim, Pharaoh the King of Egypt.
• 03:47 He said-- [speaking in Hebrew]
• 03:50 Three words, "Shalach et ami."
• 03:54 "Let go my people," or "Let my people go."
• 04:01 He wanted to declare that independence, and of course
• 04:04 Pharaoh would have none of it and a wrestling match ensued.
• 04:09 The net result, certain plagues befell the Egyptians:
• 04:12 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 04:18 Blood, frogs, lice, vermin, all this stuff is unleashed.
• 04:22 Finally the last of those plagues, Pharaoh relents, says,
• 04:26 "Okay, enough already, go."
• 04:28 It began with the beckoning in chapter 5.
• 04:32 The message was, "Let my people go."
• 04:37 It was a declaration.
• 04:39 And I'm thinking of, you know, declarations.
• 04:44 You know, when I think of the faith of our fathers, if you
• 04:46 look at those who signed our Declaration of Independence--
• 04:49 I mean, this is an independence right here, but it's more of a
• 04:52 declaration of dependence, I should say, because people
• 04:56 really felt dependent on God.
• 04:58 Well, I shouldn't just say back in biblical days.
• 05:00 Certainly with the founders in our culture, so many were
• 05:03 ministers of those signers, and there was a kind of punkish kind
• 05:08 of, you know, declaring independence.
• 05:12 Even--you know the expression "John Hancock."
• 05:15 When someone signs their signature, someone will say,
• 05:17 "Here, I need your John Hancock," because on the
• 05:19 Declaration, he signed it in really big letters, so his
• 05:23 signature is bigger than the others.
• 05:25 And the reason for that is is King George was notorious for
• 05:28 his poor vision and he wrote his name really big, then he
• 05:33 puts the quill down and says, "I bet you George can read that.
• 05:37 He ought to be able to see that."
• 05:38 He's throwing down the gauntlet.
• 05:40 It's not just a declaration of independence, it's a
• 05:43 declaration of war.
• 05:44 It's making a stand, and it was, you know, "Enough already."
• 05:49 And it's the equivalent in Roman antiquity of
• 05:52 crossing the Rubicon.
• 05:53 It's construed as a declaration.
• 05:55 And of course you know how it all played out.
• 05:57 There was a struggle in Bible days with Moses,
• 06:02 with the Egyptians.
• 06:03 In our own history, a struggle, Colonial America with the
• 06:07 British overlords.
• 06:09 In fact, if you look at the history, and it's forgotten in
• 06:13 so many ways today because people wanna reinvent history
• 06:16 and divest it of its biblical moorings, but the imagery of the
• 06:20 Israelites with their fight against the Egyptians and their
• 06:25 being led to the new world with the Shekinah, with the Shekinah.
• 06:30 Remember the cloud that led and the fire, how God led these
• 06:34 displaced persons from one world?
• 06:37 They crossed the sand to the new world.
• 06:39 Well, those that came here to this New World,
• 06:41 they didn't cross the sand, they crossed the sea,
• 06:44 but the imagery really resonated with them.
• 06:47 It was so much the case, by the way, the Older Testament really
• 06:51 factored into the equation, which is why if you look at the
• 06:54 literature, there are all kinds of citations with our founding
• 06:57 fathers from the Hebrew Bible.
• 06:59 The Hebrew language itself was mandated to be taught at Harvard
• 07:03 University when it all began.
• 07:05 Not so with Yale initially, but they caught on later on.
• 07:08 But everyone who was anyone was beckoned to learn the Hebrew
• 07:12 language, to learn the Hebrew Bible.
• 07:16 One God, one Bible.
• 07:17 And our forefathers in this culture really derived some
• 07:21 benefit from the story because they felt they were living it in
• 07:25 their own context.
• 07:27 Not only was it the story of being led to the new world, as
• 07:30 in the initial pilgrims, but once they get there,
• 07:33 they have to conquer.
• 07:34 In the story of Joshua, you might recall, that miracles got
• 07:38 them to the new world.
• 07:40 And there were miracles to be sure with Joshua, but they still
• 07:43 had to unsheathe their swords and go on and contend for their
• 07:46 place in the new world.
• 07:48 And the story of Joshua, how God helped them in the struggle,
• 07:53 resonated to be sure with the pilgrims, and they got help from
• 07:56 interesting people along the way.
• 07:58 You can think of Rahab, by the way, going back to the Joshua
• 08:01 story and the spies.
• 08:02 Sometimes when you're about God's business, you find friends
• 08:05 you didn't quite know you had 'em and people come out of the
• 08:08 woodwork 'cause they sense something's at play here.
• 08:13 It's great, it so much correlates with our
• 08:16 national story, to my way of thinking.
• 08:18 The exodus, you know, the Declaration of Independence, the
• 08:23 braving the hazards, the political struggle, the warfare
• 08:29 that ensued, and finally making it and breaking it, getting a
• 08:33 foothold into the New World, and then expanding and going about
• 08:37 the business of getting a civilization here in the New
• 08:39 World where there's a biblical mandate that is
• 08:43 constitutive in the culture.
• 08:45 And that's the difference here, by the way.
• 08:48 If you look at nation-states all over the world, they all
• 08:50 sort of began the same way: there's a struggle, and whoever
• 08:53 wins puts up the fort and then claims it for their own.
• 08:56 But while that could be said here, it's more than that here
• 09:00 because inculcated in the fabric of this culture was biblical
• 09:05 mandate, biblical vision, and it's represented in the
• 09:10 literature, in the monuments, the art, the architecture,
• 09:13 and so forth, and it's not just something that's part
• 09:16 of an artistic ethos, but it was part of the fabric of
• 09:20 those who were here making a stand in the New World.
• 09:24 And you know, we can learn from the faith of our fathers too.
• 09:27 If we can carry on some of that walking with faith, we too can
• 09:31 have the success as they enjoyed, and who's the "they"?
• 09:35 Well, I'm talking about those of old in this series where I'm
• 09:38 speaking about the "Faith of our Fathers."
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• 11:06 Jeffrey: Earlier, I spoke of John Hancock, and of course we
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• 11:31 faith of our fathers.
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• 12:01 the believers in the holy land.
• 12:04 That's an important part of our ministry, isn't it?
• 12:06 Jeffrey: I think so.
• 12:08 Kirsten: Let's step back in time now to Colonial America and
• 12:11 consider the faith of our founding fathers.
• 12:16 David: In the formative days of our nation, there
• 12:18 were some who thought it important to remain
• 12:20 loyal to the British king.
• 12:22 Others rejected the monarchy, favoring liberty.
• 12:25 Among them: Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, George Washington,
• 12:30 Ben Franklin, patriots all.
• 12:33 They would boldly proclaim that the truths of liberty were
• 12:37 self-evident and endowed by their Creator.
• 12:41 Meanwhile, there were still others in Philadelphia, unknown
• 12:45 figures in history, who considered the godly direction
• 12:49 of the founding fathers vitally important.
• 12:53 ♪♪♪
• 12:58 clergyman: So clear and yet profound.
• 13:03 Unless this house is built on solid ground,
• 13:07 it will surely fail.
• 13:10 But will we recall these precepts?
• 13:15 We must.
• 13:18 ♪♪♪
• 13:22 Lord, please, please continue to guide my hand that I might
• 13:27 clearly transcribe these extraordinary words of
• 13:30 wisdom and virtue, and guide my steps this day
• 13:35 to those who need to hear them.
• 13:38 ♪♪♪
• 13:45 ♪♪♪
• 13:50 clergyman: Betsy, as you've probably already concluded,
• 13:56 I hold these notes to be treasures.
• 14:00 I value them as such because they are quotations from those
• 14:04 who've been the most influential, I believe,
• 14:09 in establishing the importance of faith and
• 14:13 righteousness in America.
• 14:15 Betsy Ross: Yes, sir.
• 14:17 I appreciate your concern for the welfare of this nation.
• 14:22 clergyman: It has taken considerable faith to have
• 14:24 declared our independence.
• 14:27 Betsy: I do have faith, sir, but I still keep my
• 14:31 windows closed lest a loyalist see my efforts
• 14:34 on behalf of the patriots.
• 14:39 clergyman: Mr. Jefferson deserves to have his faith
• 14:43 commended as well.
• 14:45 He's been a dedicated, lifelong Anglican, and yet an advocate
• 14:51 for other Christian denominations.
• 14:55 He's repeated many times over, as have we all,
• 14:59 the Apostles' Creed.
• 15:02 both: "I believe in God the Father Almighty--"
• 15:04 Betsy: "Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ,
• 15:07 his only Son, our Lord."
• 15:11 I say it in church every Sunday, sometimes in the
• 15:14 presence of Mr. Washington, Mr. Franklin, as well as
• 15:18 others you have mentioned.
• 15:22 clergyman: As you probably know, Mr. Jefferson has been placed on
• 15:26 a committee of three to draft an official seal for our nation.
• 15:32 In Jefferson's own words, he believes the seal should include
• 15:37 a Bible account: the children of Israel in the wilderness, led by
• 15:43 a cloud by day, and a pillar of fire by night.
• 15:48 Betsy: The story of Exodus?
• 15:51 He sees God's leading in America's journey like the
• 15:55 journey of the children of Israel.
• 15:58 clergyman: Yes, and he's not the only one.
• 16:04 Many have seen God's hand in how far we've come thus far.
• 16:09 Mr. Patrick Henry concurs: "Three millions of people
• 16:14 armed in the holy cause of liberty are invincible
• 16:18 by any force which our enemy can send against us.
• 16:22 There is a just God who presides over the destines of nations,
• 16:27 and who will raise up to fight our battles for us."
• 16:33 Betsy: I do hope, sir, that someday the faith you speak of
• 16:37 will guide our every step, that the winds of liberty will billow
• 16:44 upon a flag high above us, that all will look towards heaven and
• 16:49 honor our rich, godly heritage.
• 16:55 ♪♪♪
• 16:59 Jeffrey: So much to learn.
• 17:01 So much has been lost.
• 17:03 Our founding fathers were prolific
• 17:06 authors, and you know what?
• 17:08 Tens of thousands of those original documents exist, and
• 17:12 our guest, David Barton, has assembled many of them.
• 17:16 What a collection, and I'm glad that he and we can bring it to
• 17:21 you as we take a look at the book, the good book, and see how
• 17:26 biblical vision is part of the fabric of our founding fathers.
• 17:33 Jeffrey: From the halls of Montezuma to the
• 17:35 shores of Tripoli.
• 17:37 Tripoli, what was the American military doing there?
• 17:41 Well, Jefferson sent ships over there because Islamic sea
• 17:47 captains were molesting American vessels.
• 17:51 So much of history is lost, isn't it?
• 17:54 David Barton: Yeah, the longest ongoing battle--war in
• 17:57 American history was 32 years of fighting Muslims
• 18:00 from 1784 to 1816.
• 18:03 And so in that period of time, 1784, we did not have a navy.
• 18:07 We had a temporary navy we used in the revolution.
• 18:09 Now nobody's attacking us, we don't need a navy, and then we
• 18:12 started being attacked by Muslim ships overseas.
• 18:15 And so we would sail in the Mediterranean to our
• 18:17 partners in--actually in Europe.
• 18:20 Any time that the Muslims saw an American flag, that's
• 18:23 a target ship, and so they went after our ships.
• 18:26 They first killed our guys, but then started enslaving them and
• 18:30 selling them back for ransom, and that's how they got a lot of
• 18:33 money to finance their jihad was Americans paying 'em.
• 18:37 Jeffrey: And someone said, "Enough already."
• 18:40 It's interesting, I remember Ellison, when he was sworn in as
• 18:43 a congressman, he wanted to be sworn in on a Qur'an, so they
• 18:47 boasted, "We have Jefferson's Qur'an."
• 18:50 Jefferson wasn't a Muslim.
• 18:51 He had it as a souvenir.
• 18:53 He was pressing against Islamic intrigue.
• 18:55 David: Well, it's interesting that John Adams is the first
• 18:58 founding father to have a navy.
• 19:00 George Washington, 1795, 10% of the federal budget was being
• 19:04 spent to pay Muslims not to attack America, so it's
• 19:07 big extortion racket.
• 19:09 So in 1795, George Washington said, "Would to God that I had a
• 19:13 navy able to crush these enemies of mankind into nonexistence."
• 19:17 They appropriated money, John Adams built the navy.
• 19:19 He's called "the father of American Navy."
• 19:21 But he would not send the navy against the Muslims
• 19:23 because he had negotiated with them, he said,
• 19:25 "If we attack these guys, there's gonna be a long battle.
• 19:27 We're not fighting a geographic position, we're
• 19:30 fighting an ideology."
• 19:31 But when Jefferson took over, the budget's now 15% paying
• 19:35 Muslim terrorists not to attack us.
• 19:37 He said, "No, no, no," so he loaded up the Marines,
• 19:39 put it on the brand-new navy, sent it over.
• 19:41 We have five years of armed conflict across North Africa,
• 19:44 and that's where you get the halls of Montezuma, shores of
• 19:46 Tripoli, which is Libya today, we would call it Libya.
• 19:50 So Jefferson, interestingly enough--these two guys, in 1786,
• 19:54 they were both negotiating with Muslims.
• 19:57 And at that point in time, Jefferson writes back to
• 19:59 the state department, he said, "We created a relationship.
• 20:02 I asked the Muslim ambassador, 'Why are you guys attacking us?
• 20:04 We've never done anything to Muslims.'"
• 20:07 And he said, "Well, the ambassador told me that
• 20:10 it's required by the Qur'an that they have
• 20:12 to attack us, subdue us, kill us, whatever."
• 20:14 And it's like Jefferson has to go, "Wait a minute, you go to
• 20:17 heaven for killing people?
• 20:19 What kind of religion is this?"
• 20:20 That's when Jefferson went out and bought that two-volume
• 20:22 Qur'an in London, it's a 1764 Qur'an.
• 20:25 He wanted to learn if they really did teach that.
• 20:28 And so when Keith Ellison sworn on that, says, "This
• 20:30 shows the great influence of the Qur'an on Jefferson," no.
• 20:34 This is Sun Tzu, "Know your enemy."
• 20:36 Know what your enemy says.
• 20:37 Jeffrey: People lose sight of history.
• 20:40 Well, what do you have for us here today?
• 20:43 David: Well, we finished this episode talking about
• 20:46 Patrick Henry, and Patrick Henry, a great
• 20:48 orator, that last quote was from
• 20:50 a speech that he gave in 1775.
• 20:52 He was part of the Virginia legislature, which interestingly
• 20:55 enough, the Virginia legislature was meeting in
• 20:57 St. John's Church in Richmond.
• 20:59 And that kinda blows people's mind today, but that was
• 21:01 very common back then.
• 21:03 And so he gave that great oration, and Patrick
• 21:06 Henry's known as probably the best orator
• 21:08 among the founding fathers.
• 21:09 What people don't know is where he learned his oratorical
• 21:12 skills, and he learned it by going to church.
• 21:14 There's a guy named Reverend Samuel Davies.
• 21:16 This is one of the sermons of Samuel Davies.
• 21:18 Samuel Davies is called the greatest pulpit orator in
• 21:21 American history.
• 21:22 As a young boy, Patrick Henry went to his church every Sunday,
• 21:26 and on the way home they would talk about the sermons.
• 21:28 And Patrick Henry says, "I learned my speaking
• 21:30 abilities from listening to the sermons--"
• 21:32 Jeffrey: He said that.
• 21:33 David: He said that, and so this is actually
• 21:35 an early biography on Patrick Henry.
• 21:37 It was done by the Attorney General of the United
• 21:39 States, William Worth.
• 21:40 So Patrick Henry was a great figure, but Jefferson was
• 21:42 the other one that we looked at.
• 21:44 And then we've already talked about where he was with Islam
• 21:47 and the fight on Islam, but interestingly enough,
• 21:50 Jefferson--and we heard so many quotes about him, Christ-related
• 21:54 quotes, which is an interesting thing.
• 21:56 People don't think about that.
• 21:57 But Jefferson is the first president to have a full term in
• 22:01 the White House in Washington, DC.
• 22:02 First 11 years of the federal government was in New York City,
• 22:05 then 10 years in Philadelphia, then we moved to DC.
• 22:08 And so in DC, the federal government's in charge of city
• 22:10 government and still is today.
• 22:12 So that's a brand-new city.
• 22:14 They need a school system.
• 22:16 Jefferson actually is chosen as the president of the school
• 22:19 board in Washington, DC.
• 22:20 He turned down the presidency and said, "I'll be a school
• 22:22 board member," so he originates the plan of education for public
• 22:26 schools in Washington, DC.
• 22:28 What folks don't realize that in his plan of education, the two
• 22:32 reading books were Isaac Watts's hymnal and the Bible.
• 22:36 Jeffrey: Amazing.
• 22:37 David: That's what Jefferson had students reading in school.
• 22:39 Isaac Watts's hymnal's where we get great hymns of the
• 22:41 Christian faith; "Joy to the World" is one of his hymns.
• 22:44 The other thing Jefferson did while he was there is
• 22:47 we have a brand-new Capitol.
• 22:48 Brand-new White House, brand- new Capitol, and so as they
• 22:51 move in to the Capitol in November of 1800, by December
• 22:54 the 4th, it's interesting.
• 22:56 The records of Congress tell us that with Jefferson presiding
• 22:59 over the Senate and Theodore Sedgwick over the House,
• 23:01 they said, "Let's have church every Sunday in the
• 23:04 House of Representatives.
• 23:05 That's the biggest room we have in the building.
• 23:07 And the Constitution, we don't work on Sundays."
• 23:10 That's the Sunday Sabbath, it's called the
• 23:11 Sundays Excepted Clause.
• 23:13 So Jefferson helped start the church in the Capitol,
• 23:16 and by 1867, that was the largest Protestant church
• 23:19 in the United States.
• 23:21 These are actually sermons that were preached in that church
• 23:23 that Jefferson helped start.
• 23:24 This says, "The imperishable and saving Words of Christ delivered
• 23:27 in the hall of the House of Representatives."
• 23:29 This is 1860.
• 23:31 Jeffrey: Well, there you go, yeah, he was really big on
• 23:32 separating church and state, wasn't he?
• 23:35 David: And actually, he invited ministers to come preach at the
• 23:38 Capitol, like the Reverend John Leland.
• 23:41 Jefferson wrote that separation of church and state letter--
• 23:44 Jeffrey: That's taken out of context, isn't it?
• 23:46 David: It is, because on January the 3rd, two days later,
• 23:48 he invites Reverend Leland to come preach at the Capitol.
• 23:51 And that separation of church and state letter, if anybody
• 23:53 reads it, it's 233 words long.
• 23:55 It's three paragraphs, it's simple,
• 23:57 and it says, "Because of the separation of church and state,
• 23:59 the government's not going to stop a religious activity."
• 24:02 Oh my gosh, we've got just the opposite today.
• 24:04 Jeffrey: You know, that's why I'm so pleased to commend you
• 24:07 and your ministry, you know, we have the website up--
• 24:10 to help us understand the faith of our fathers.
• 24:14 At the end of the day, we wanna tear it all down
• 24:16 and rearrange history.
• 24:17 Thank you for giving us a window into it.
• 24:20 David: Oh, it's our pleasure, we feel like we should be
• 24:22 sharing this stuff with Americans.
• 24:24 That's why we try to digitize it, put it online.
• 24:26 That's why we do so many books, bring it
• 24:27 out so people can get it.
• 24:29 This heritage belongs to all of us and is
• 24:31 something we all should know.
• 24:32 Jeffrey: Yes, and I believe that, that's one of the
• 24:34 reasons why we want to share you with the world.
• 24:37 Now, you don't need us to do your bidding, but if you're
• 24:40 watching the program now and you're not familiar with our
• 24:43 guest today, the website is up there and I want you to go there
• 24:47 because there's a lot to learn.
• 24:49 There's a lot to know, that we have been deceived.
• 24:52 We've been tearing up our history, and David, I'm so
• 24:55 appreciative of you wanting to help resurrect it.
• 24:57 David: Jeff, my pleasure.
• 24:58 Always fun to bring truth back to people.
• 25:02 David Hart: All right, can I be honest with you right now?
• 25:05 Honesty? Okay, you ready?
• 25:07 We have been singing the Marine Hymn for years about the shores
• 25:10 of Tripoli and we had no idea where that took place.
• 25:14 But in the beginning of our discussion, we learned.
• 25:17 The Mediterranean, that's where it took place.
• 25:19 Jeffrey: People don't realize that America was involved in
• 25:22 political intrigue with Islamic invaders early in the game.
• 25:27 Kirsten: Well, David Barton mentioned the word "pirates."
• 25:29 I mean, we don't even think of that as part of our history.
• 25:33 And we say, you know, "To the shores of Tripoli,"
• 25:37 and sometimes it's good to google things and go,
• 25:39 "Where exactly is that?"
• 25:41 Jeffrey: The Barbary pirates, and you know,
• 25:43 even to this day in that part of the world, you
• 25:46 do have nations that are nipping away at ships and kidnapping
• 25:50 crews, and cargos, and the like, it still exists.
• 25:53 Kirsten: And Thomas Jefferson mentioned, and we, you know,
• 25:55 just thought this was so fascinating, that he had his
• 25:59 Qur'an, but it was to learn about the religion so that
• 26:03 when he's fighting these people for our freedoms, he
• 26:06 knew what they believed, right?
• 26:08 So he got--Thomas Jefferson kinda got a bad rap.
• 26:13 Jeffrey: It really is interesting.
• 26:14 And like you, when I learned that some years ago, it was
• 26:16 like, "Wow, there's so many things I didn't know."
• 26:19 Here's another one too.
• 26:20 There's the Jewish underpinnings of the American Revolution, you
• 26:26 know, that Islamic traders, pirates, were seizing assets,
• 26:32 but Jews were giving assets.
• 26:33 There was a financier, Haym Salomon.
• 26:37 If individuals--if you would google "Haym Salomon,"
• 26:40 that name--US Postal Service, 1976, 200 years after the
• 26:46 celebration of independence in 1776, the US Postal Service
• 26:51 minted a stamp to him, thanking this Jewish financier
• 26:56 for helping to sponsor the American Revolution.
• 27:00 That's another piece of interesting news, yes?
• 27:02 Kirsten: And I'd had no idea.
• 27:03 David: Right.
• 27:05 Kirsten: We just learned something new, which is
• 27:06 wonderful about a series like this is we think we
• 27:09 know our history and our Judeo-Christian history,
• 27:12 but there's a lot of things we don't know.
• 27:14 Jeffrey: Jews came to this New World having been so
• 27:18 oppressed in the old, hoping to build a better world and a
• 27:22 culture that was being founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
• 27:27 They knew people had an open Bible, and with it there was
• 27:30 liberty to live and to breathe, and Jews saw hope
• 27:34 in the New World.
• 27:35 Kirsten: Well, we're thankful for everything that you've
• 27:38 brought, should I say, to the table with knowledge and wisdom,
• 27:41 and we're also so thankful for you, David Barton, for bringing
• 27:44 your knowledge to this program.
• 27:46 We have more next week.
• 27:47 Jeffrey: Yeah, Barton's the hero, well, actually, you are
• 27:49 the heroes for helping us tell the story.
• 27:51 If you didn't give a dollar, we couldn't give a holler.
• 27:54 Thank you.
• 27:55 And a word from Scripture: [speaking in Hebrew]
• 28:00 Kirsten: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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