“I Don’t Know Him”

2222     28:30     First aired 2022-11-02     [CC]
Episode 5 of 9 in the series “Much Like Peter”

After Judas betrayed the Messiah, Peter initially responded with violence, but later with denial. Like Peter, today’s Believers often experience a disconnect between our words and actions. Yet even in difficult circumstances, God’s grace is sufficient.

Other versions

Transcript

Caption transcript for Much Like Peter: “I Don’t Know Him” (5/9)

  • 00:03 David Hart: Shalom, friends. On today's program, Simon Peter faces the biggest crisis
  • 00:05 of his life.
  • 00:07 How will the Rock hold up?
  • 00:09 Find out next on "Our Jewish Roots," with Bible teaching
  • 00:12 by Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
  • 00:13 ♪♪♪
  • 00:18 narrator: Sunrise on the Galilee.
  • 00:21 Simon Peter prepares his nets for a day at sea.
  • 00:25 Much like the sea, Peter was unpredictable,
  • 00:29 calm and steady and then, in an instant,
  • 00:33 tempestuous.
  • 00:35 As we reflect upon the Lord's most intriguing disciple,
  • 00:38 we can see ourselves because we too have been broken and
  • 00:42 then restored.
  • 00:45 We too, in so many ways, are much like Peter.
  • 00:51 ♪♪♪
  • 00:56 David: We are so glad you've joined us today.
  • 00:57 I'm David Hart.
  • 00:59 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
  • 01:00 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I am Jeffrey Seif.
  • 01:02 Kirsten: I don't know if you've ever had a moment in your
  • 01:04 life where it's that woulda, shoulda,
  • 01:07 coulda moment where you wish you could go back in time and change
  • 01:11 what you said or what you did.
  • 01:13 Peter had one of those.
  • 01:16 It was a big one, but this was also the man who witnessed the
  • 01:19 Transfiguration, he walked on water,
  • 01:21 he defied gravity.
  • 01:23 Not his best moment, but I think he would have changed it if
  • 01:27 he could have.
  • 01:28 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, it's not a scripted statement
  • 01:30 but as you were speaking, I thought,
  • 01:32 "Not his best moment."
  • 01:34 It's true.
  • 01:35 It's just, it's disappointing.
  • 01:37 But it's human, it's life.
  • 01:39 Kirsten: It is.
  • 01:40 We've--I've said so many things, we've said things to each other,
  • 01:43 I mean, we get along very well.
  • 01:45 David: Don't say what it is.
  • 01:47 Kirsten: No, ha, ha, but a few times where I'm like,
  • 01:48 "I really shouldn't have said that or I shouldn't have
  • 01:50 done that."
  • 01:51 And we live with that.
  • 01:53 But there's always forgiveness.
  • 01:55 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, and in other world I have
  • 01:57 a career in police and, as a police trainer,
  • 01:59 and you know, there's a saying when you pull the trigger on a
  • 02:02 gun, you can't call the bullet back.
  • 02:04 You can't say, "Oops, my bad."
  • 02:05 You have to live with it.
  • 02:07 So you wanna be careful before you pull--put your finger in the
  • 02:08 trigger guard, never mind pull the trigger.
  • 02:10 You know, we have history in life and we can't always
  • 02:13 take back.
  • 02:14 I only hope in life, the things that I do right outperform the
  • 02:18 things that I do wrong, but I know because I'm human the world
  • 02:22 gets a little bit of both.
  • 02:23 Kirsten: Thank goodness that our words that we've said and
  • 02:26 the actions that we've done aren't written down that
  • 02:28 everyone throughout history is reading and going,
  • 02:31 "Oh, you did a bad thing."
  • 02:32 You know what I mean, we all have that.
  • 02:34 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You're two for two on good points
  • 02:35 in my mind.
  • 02:37 I wouldn't want the world to see my mistakes.
  • 02:38 Kirsten: I agree.
  • 02:40 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I just thank God that he sees them
  • 02:41 and blots them out in the sea of forgetfulness.
  • 02:43 David: Amen.
  • 02:44 Right now, we take you to the place on the night Jesus
  • 02:46 was betrayed.
  • 02:48 narrator: Night had fallen in Jerusalem,
  • 02:50 and the Lord's final hours were quickly approaching.
  • 02:53 On this Passover evening, while families quietly gathered to
  • 02:58 celebrate liberation, a cruel plan was unfolding.
  • 03:02 The stillness of Gethsemane would be vanquished by a
  • 03:06 multitude of guardsmen carrying swords and clubs.
  • 03:09 It would be a fateful night of accusations,
  • 03:12 betrayal, and bloodshed.
  • 03:15 ♪♪♪
  • 03:25 [speaking in foreign language]
  • 05:05 ♪♪♪
  • 05:12 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I don't know if you have ever had
  • 05:15 the opportunity to arrest anyone.
  • 05:17 I have.
  • 05:18 In another life, I served as a police officer and,
  • 05:22 in that capacity, I worked patrol in the streets,
  • 05:24 and for a season I worked as a marshal for the court,
  • 05:27 in the context of which I was given warrants that I had
  • 05:31 responsibility to execute.
  • 05:34 I mention that here because a warrant for arrest is executed.
  • 05:38 There's a story where Judas Iscariot,
  • 05:42 Iscariot, "a man from Kerioth," a city not far from Jerusalem.
  • 05:46 The other disciples were from the Galilee,
  • 05:48 far away.
  • 05:49 Judas has procured a band of soldiers and they make their way
  • 05:52 to seize Jesus.
  • 05:55 I'm glad I wasn't in the group.
  • 05:57 One of those who attended the group,
  • 05:58 Malchus, had his ear cut off and you know who did it?
  • 06:00 A guy named Peter.
  • 06:03 I wanna look at the book in the Matthean Gospel.
  • 06:06 We're looking at chapter 26.
  • 06:08 Here, we're told they came with swords and clubs.
  • 06:10 In the Johannine Gospel, the Gospel of John,
  • 06:13 we're told that they came with "lanterns and torches" as well.
  • 06:17 And the reason why they came with lanterns and torches is
  • 06:20 because they came in the middle of the night because they
  • 06:23 couldn't come around in the day and arrest Jesus because
  • 06:26 thousands of Jews were running around the place saying,
  • 06:28 "[speaking in Hebrew] Blessed be he who comes in the name
  • 06:32 of the Lord."
  • 06:34 Interestingly, Jesus was popular amongst the rank and file.
  • 06:39 His miracles and his safe teachings attracted people
  • 06:43 to him.
  • 06:45 But, you know, overrun with envy,
  • 06:48 the ruling kohanim, the ruling priests and leaders,
  • 06:51 were chagrined and, stealthily, they took pains to arrest Jesus
  • 06:56 in the middle of the night when no one was around.
  • 06:59 We're told in the context of the arrest in verse 51 that
  • 07:04 "suddenly, one of those with Yeshua stretched out his hand
  • 07:09 and drew his sword, and he struck the high priest's servant
  • 07:13 and cut off his ear."
  • 07:15 Now, Matthew tells us "someone cut off someone's ear."
  • 07:21 And it's interesting, by the way,
  • 07:24 none of the synoptic Gospels, Matthew,
  • 07:27 Mark, and Luke, don't name him.
  • 07:30 Just, "One of the disciples did it."
  • 07:34 John names him and says, "It was our man, Peter."
  • 07:40 In the aftermath, Jesus says, "Put that sword away."
  • 07:46 And he goes on to say, "Don't you know that those that live by
  • 07:50 it, will die by it?"
  • 07:52 Now it's interesting, I should say,
  • 07:55 and when I think of the moment, we live in a world today that's
  • 07:58 rather turbulent, whether it's the streets of America
  • 08:01 or whether it's countries in the world,
  • 08:04 you know, people get turned upside down,
  • 08:06 circumstances go awry, there's anger,
  • 08:08 there's militancy, there's war, and the question here is Jesus
  • 08:11 just saying No to all of that, there's no place in the world
  • 08:18 for a soldier or a police officer?
  • 08:19 Well, indeed there is.
  • 08:21 In fact, elsewhere in the Newer Testament,
  • 08:23 we're beckoned to be respectful to those who carry that
  • 08:25 God-ordained authority.
  • 08:27 But the point is that the kingdom of God does not advance
  • 08:32 by the sword.
  • 08:34 And that's what distinguishes it from all else,
  • 08:37 by the way.
  • 08:38 I mean, if you look at the world that we live in,
  • 08:40 powerful leaders have held their torch high for a season
  • 08:44 and dominated.
  • 08:45 And they expanded their kingdoms,
  • 08:48 whether it's Genghis Khan, Napoleon,
  • 08:50 Alexander the Great, whoever it is,
  • 08:52 you know, famous generals who became emperors in Rome,
  • 08:55 you know.
  • 08:56 By the dint of their own determination,
  • 08:58 they go forth and conquer, they hold their torch high for a
  • 09:00 season and then it vanishes.
  • 09:03 Kingdoms come and go.
  • 09:05 In fact, it's a poor translation of the Matthean text where we're
  • 09:07 told later that Jesus sent his disciples to go and preach the
  • 09:12 gospel to all nations.
  • 09:14 Doesn't mention nations.
  • 09:16 It says "ethnos" in the Greek, which is all peoples.
  • 09:19 Nations are artificial constructs.
  • 09:21 They come and they go, the borders change.
  • 09:24 The only nation that's noted particularly in the Bible
  • 09:27 with a destiny is Israel, interestingly.
  • 09:29 But nations come and go.
  • 09:31 God's concerned to reach all peoples.
  • 09:33 And the way peoples are reached are--it's not by the sword.
  • 09:38 Interestingly, Jesus never lifted up a pen,
  • 09:41 never mind a sword.
  • 09:42 But his teachings are known the world over.
  • 09:44 And in conjunction with his teachings,
  • 09:47 we see here an example of Peter, who was--who fell asleep on the
  • 09:50 job earlier, literally.
  • 09:54 He wakes up, startled, when the arrest party comes.
  • 09:57 He throws out a sword and he cuts off the ear and,
  • 10:00 once again, Jesus looks at him and says,
  • 10:02 "No, no, no."
  • 10:03 Don't we all make mistakes?
  • 10:05 Well, in that--of course, we do.
  • 10:07 And so it is, we are in many ways,
  • 10:10 much like Peter.
  • 10:12 ♪♪♪
  • 10:21 David: Our resource this week: The "Pray for the Peace of
  • 10:24 Jerusalem" bumper sticker."
  • 10:26 Proclaim Psalm 122, verse 6, just as we do at the end of
  • 10:30 every program.
  • 10:32 This vinyl sticker has a 3D effect as the bold white letters
  • 10:36 jump out from the blue and black marbled background.
  • 10:38 When you contact us, ask for a copy of the series on DVD for
  • 10:42 yourself or to give to a loved one.
  • 10:45 Call 1-800-WONDERS or visit us at LEVITT.COM.
  • 10:51 David: "Our Jewish Roots" is more than just
  • 10:54 a television program.
  • 10:55 See what you are missing on our social media outlets.
  • 10:59 Kirsten: On Facebook and Twitter,
  • 11:00 you'll find our daily "Name of God" devotional,
  • 11:04 current news articles, the Bearded Bible Brothers,
  • 11:07 and more.
  • 11:08 David: On our YouTube channel,
  • 11:10 you'll find Faith Foundations, music,
  • 11:12 interviews, the Bearded Bible Brothers,
  • 11:15 and more.
  • 11:17 Kirsten: Or find everything on our website,
  • 11:19 levitt.com.
  • 11:20 David: We invite you to keep in touch and join us on
  • 11:23 social media.
  • 11:26 Kirsten: There are few things in this world as beautiful and
  • 11:30 wonderful as the olive trees in Israel,
  • 11:33 and there are fewer things as special as the Garden of
  • 11:37 Gethsemane where Dr. Seif was teaching in this program.
  • 11:41 Glorious. Here's a great thing.
  • 11:43 We bring you there and we go to a private garden where we have
  • 11:46 to have a special key to get into this gated area where we
  • 11:49 have special quiet time with the Lord where he prayed.
  • 11:54 David: I know the last time that I was there,
  • 11:56 I wept in that spot.
  • 11:58 It's just so phenomenal to be in that very spot.
  • 12:01 Kirsten: There's not--there really isn't anything like it
  • 12:03 in the whole world.
  • 12:05 We would love for you to go with us and experience the Holy Land.
  • 12:08 It's easy.
  • 12:09 Go to our website.
  • 12:11 Also, when you're on our website,
  • 12:12 looking at our tour information, be sure to sign up for our free
  • 12:15 newsletter, the Levitt Letter.
  • 12:17 All kinds of information on the website and on social media.
  • 12:20 David: I wanna go back to our tour.
  • 12:22 We know that some of you, there's just no way that you can
  • 12:24 ever get to Israel on a tour with us.
  • 12:27 We understand that.
  • 12:28 So we thank you for allowing us to go to these places that you
  • 12:32 see and teach and sing and worship to make you feel
  • 12:36 like you're there.
  • 12:37 We thank you for your support.
  • 12:40 Right now, we continue our story,
  • 12:41 as Peter reflects upon that terrible moment when he denied
  • 12:44 knowing the one to whom he'd sworn allegiance: his Lord and
  • 12:48 Master, Yeshua, Jesus.
  • 12:52 ♪♪♪
  • 13:04 [speaking in foreign language]
  • 14:33 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: A lot of things run through a minister's
  • 14:35 mind before they minister.
  • 14:38 Perhaps the communicator is recalling a book they read,
  • 14:40 something in the biblical text.
  • 14:42 For this segment, the most important thing I need to recall
  • 14:46 is my own humanity.
  • 14:48 I mention that because we're at a place in Scripture where we're
  • 14:51 looking at Peter's.
  • 14:53 The story starts off good enough.
  • 14:56 We're coming out of the Last Supper,
  • 14:57 a Passover Seder, and Yeshua, Jesus,
  • 15:00 is there with his talmidim, with his disciples,
  • 15:03 and they're singing the hallel in verse 26,
  • 15:06 standard fare in a Jewish Passover Seder.
  • 15:08 It ends with a lot of praise, but then Jesus throws
  • 15:11 'em a curve.
  • 15:12 In verse 26, in verse 27, actually,
  • 15:16 Yeshua said to them, "You will all fall away,
  • 15:19 for it is written: 'I will strike the shepherd,
  • 15:23 and the sheep will be scattered.'"
  • 15:25 Well, Peter would have none of it.
  • 15:27 In verse 29, again chapter 14, in the Gospel of Mark,
  • 15:32 Peter said, "Even though all fall away,
  • 15:35 I won't!"
  • 15:37 Well, he said, "I won't," but he did.
  • 15:40 We're gonna look at that momentarily,
  • 15:43 but here he is saying, "No, I'm better than them."
  • 15:46 He distinguishes himself from the group and finds himself
  • 15:49 more meritous.
  • 15:51 In his estimation, he has more resolution than the rest do,
  • 15:55 but not so, as we'll see.
  • 15:57 Jesus presses in again, "No, you are going deny me and not just
  • 16:00 once, but three times."
  • 16:03 Well, in verse 31, Peter insists that he won't,
  • 16:06 but we know that he does.
  • 16:09 We know 'cause we flip the page.
  • 16:12 We read the story.
  • 16:13 Jesus gets arrested and there's a crisis.
  • 16:15 No one expected that.
  • 16:17 And Peter is following at a distance to see how this is
  • 16:22 going to play out.
  • 16:24 He's seized by the authorities and he's noticed and someone
  • 16:29 says, "Wait, hey, aren't you one of his disciples?"
  • 16:31 Peter denies it.
  • 16:34 We get into the thick of the story and it really is quite
  • 16:38 sad, tell you the truth.
  • 16:40 And I should say here that when we look at the Gospel of Mark,
  • 16:44 arguably we're looking at Peter's reminiscences.
  • 16:47 Mark put it down for him but we get a window into Peter's soul
  • 16:52 so you know you're working with personal understanding here.
  • 16:55 "He began to curse himself," we're told in verse 71,
  • 17:00 "and to swear an oath."
  • 17:02 He's emphatic: "I do not know this Man."
  • 17:06 When challenged, "Hey, Peter, aren't you associated with him?"
  • 17:11 He presses it, he brings down curse upon himself.
  • 17:15 We're told he swears by an oath.
  • 17:17 He is emphatic as he knows to be.
  • 17:20 And he says not just that I don't know him,
  • 17:23 but he who originally said when the question was raised,
  • 17:28 Jesus asked, "Who do men say that I am," Peter was the one
  • 17:31 who said, "You are the Messiah.
  • 17:34 You are the Christ."
  • 17:35 But now, here, Peter on the other end of the journey with
  • 17:38 Jesus, says, "I don't know this man."
  • 17:42 Here, he's just a man.
  • 17:44 We're told in verse 72: "Right then,
  • 17:48 a rooster crowed a second time."
  • 17:50 And then we're told that Peter called to mind the word that
  • 17:55 Yeshua had said to him."
  • 17:58 See, if we're entering into Peter's thought world,
  • 18:01 only Peter could give us access to that.
  • 18:04 It was right there and then when Peter recalls in his mind what
  • 18:08 Jesus told him, and then finally we get out of this section,
  • 18:15 "and he broke down and began to weep."
  • 18:21 Peter was quite the disappointment here,
  • 18:26 wasn't he?
  • 18:27 Yes, he didn't just appoint--disappoint Jesus,
  • 18:29 he disappointed himself.
  • 18:32 Sometimes, there can be a chasm between what we espouse and the
  • 18:36 way that we live.
  • 18:38 Better it is that we keep those close together.
  • 18:40 We don't want too much of a rift.
  • 18:44 We want congruence between what we are and the way we represent
  • 18:48 ourselves in this world in various ways.
  • 18:50 But here, we see the gap widen here.
  • 18:52 It's a crisis moment and Peter doesn't know Jesus.
  • 18:57 He takes a look at himself and he breaks down.
  • 19:01 It's a sad moment when he sees the way he performed.
  • 19:05 You know, it's a tough moment but there's good news,
  • 19:08 and the reason why I say that is in so many ways we're
  • 19:11 much like Peter.
  • 19:14 That imperfect are we, the person who's speaking and the
  • 19:15 person who's listening.
  • 19:17 We all have feet of clay from the neck down and when we see
  • 19:20 Peter here in a bad way, we can remember the grace of God was
  • 19:23 sufficient even for that moment.
  • 19:27 If you find yourselves at a place right now where you're
  • 19:30 less than what you ought to be, what you know to be,
  • 19:32 let me encourage you to turn to the Lord.
  • 19:35 He'll turn to you if you turn to him,
  • 19:37 and he has a way of restoring, doesn't he?
  • 19:40 He did it to Peter, he did it to me,
  • 19:42 he does it to us for in so many ways we're just like the man
  • 19:45 we're reading about here.
  • 19:47 We're so much like Peter.
  • 19:50 ♪♪♪
  • 19:59 David: There's an old hymn that we sing in our churches.
  • 20:02 You've probably sung it too.
  • 20:04 It says: "Once I was a sinner, but I'm saved by grace."
  • 20:08 I don't think we're done sinning,
  • 20:10 but hopefully, that gets less and less as our
  • 20:13 walk with Yeshua.
  • 20:14 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Right, I'm not familiar with the hymn
  • 20:16 because I was raised in the synagogue but kudos
  • 20:19 to your point.
  • 20:20 We still take the old nature into the new economy and,
  • 20:24 thankfully, the Lord's grace follows us into the new economy.
  • 20:27 We need it.
  • 20:28 David: Like it happened with Peter.
  • 20:30 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It surely did.
  • 20:31 Kirsten: And I was just thinking about Peter and,
  • 20:34 gosh, we beat each other up, we believers,
  • 20:40 I--sorry, but we tend to--we see something like,
  • 20:43 ooh, you denied him, and we're gonna just beat him up.
  • 20:46 I think the point when Peter heard that rooster crow,
  • 20:51 he beat himself up enough.
  • 20:54 And what we can do is give love, we can give grace,
  • 20:57 we can try to restore and that's,
  • 20:59 to me, more important than, "You blew it.
  • 21:02 You blew it, Peter."
  • 21:04 He knew he blew it.
  • 21:05 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: He did. He wept.
  • 21:07 Kirsten: He did.
  • 21:08 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And he was a strong man,
  • 21:10 bull-headed, and he broke down.
  • 21:13 I really like Peter.
  • 21:15 You know, I was just so glad to do a series on Peter because in
  • 21:21 so many ways we're all much like Peter.
  • 21:24 Kirsten: We are, and give grace,
  • 21:28 love, compassion.
  • 21:30 That's what the Messiah did.
  • 21:31 And Jesus, I love that he even said,
  • 21:33 "You're gonna do this," and Peter's like,
  • 21:34 "I will not."
  • 21:36 "You're gonna do this."
  • 21:37 He was kind of trying to preface,
  • 21:39 "This is gonna happen," and Peter was like,
  • 21:41 "No, I won't."
  • 21:42 And yes, he did.
  • 21:44 But we all do.
  • 21:45 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, I mean, I sit here now.
  • 21:49 It says, "Dr. Jeffrey Seif" in front of my name,
  • 21:50 you know, I'm a Bible College Seminary professor,
  • 21:53 in another world: a police officer.
  • 21:55 I love giving breaks to people.
  • 21:57 The police chases were okay, I did some fights to the ground.
  • 22:00 And you know, you've got to go hands on and do that sort of
  • 22:03 thing, but it just gave me a lot of pleasure to give a break.
  • 22:07 And I tell people, "Listen, you know, I'm a Christian.
  • 22:10 The Lord's given me some breaks, so I'm happy to spread around
  • 22:12 some love," you know?
  • 22:14 And it's just great to be gracious.
  • 22:17 God is.
  • 22:19 David: I have a picture on my phone that I love to look at
  • 22:21 quite a bit as I'm scrolling.
  • 22:23 It's Peter under the water, his perspective: looking up at Jesus
  • 22:26 and Jesus's hand coming down to grab him.
  • 22:29 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
  • 22:31 yeah, yeah.
  • 22:32 David: Where he took his eyes off of him but focus
  • 22:34 back on Jesus.
  • 22:36 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yeah, I've seen that picture too.
  • 22:38 Would that people got the picture too,
  • 22:40 you know, there could be some watching TV,
  • 22:42 you never know, and you just think you're underwater in life
  • 22:44 and the reason why you think you're underwater in life,
  • 22:46 is 'cause you are underwater in life.
  • 22:48 Welcome to reality.
  • 22:50 You're just facing it.
  • 22:51 But if you'd look up, you might see a hand coming down as well.
  • 22:54 Make your way to a church.
  • 22:56 Get on your knees, reach up to God.
  • 22:58 You'd be surprised.
  • 22:59 A lot of us were sinking and a lot of us were stinking,
  • 23:01 you know, but the Lord lifts us up.
  • 23:03 Kirsten: And we just have to remember also too that regret,
  • 23:07 and I know Peter had regret, eats us up on the inside and
  • 23:09 that Scripture tells us is we're forgiven as far as the East is
  • 23:14 from the West, as God's go, "What do you mean?
  • 23:16 What regret?
  • 23:18 I don't even remember that."
  • 23:19 And he goes on.
  • 23:21 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, I'll tell you straight up.
  • 23:23 You know, as a dad, I have a kid who's raised some kids and it's
  • 23:25 just been years of up and down, drugs and everything,
  • 23:30 and, you know, I tire of it, but the grace is always there
  • 23:34 when he turns, I turn to him.
  • 23:35 If he turns away, it is.
  • 23:37 He turns back.
  • 23:38 I just really mean well for him.
  • 23:40 I get it, he's got an itch, there's a problem.
  • 23:44 Thank God he's getting over it.
  • 23:45 But it's taken years.
  • 23:47 It's been a journey, but my love's always been there.
  • 23:48 I think God's like that too.
  • 23:50 Kirsten: It is a journey.
  • 23:51 You raised two boys.
  • 23:52 Dave and I raised two boys.
  • 23:54 Our friend Carolyn Hyde raised two boys.
  • 23:56 She's just such a treat and sometimes you meet people and
  • 24:01 you're just like, "Hi, nice to meet you," and Carolyn Hyde,
  • 24:03 I could have just sat with her for hours.
  • 24:05 David: You did. Kirsten: We did.
  • 24:06 Kirsten: We just stayed after this interview that you're about
  • 24:09 to see and we just kind of hung out and chat.
  • 24:11 I know you're gonna want more of Carolyn after you hear
  • 24:14 her right now.
  • 24:16 Carolyn Hyde: Well, first of all,
  • 24:18 it was the Lord.
  • 24:20 'Cause we try not to do anything,
  • 24:21 especially a big move like that, just on our own,
  • 24:25 you know, for fun or whatever, and so the Lord made it
  • 24:28 really clear.
  • 24:30 We initially settled in Haifa and the western Galilee,
  • 24:34 but then the Lord moved us here to the eastern Galilee or what
  • 24:38 most people call just the Galilee.
  • 24:40 And it was during the war and he made it so clear,
  • 24:44 this is where we belong.
  • 24:46 It's amazing who God has gathered here in the Galilee.
  • 24:50 It's just like what's written in Isaiah 9,
  • 24:52 you know, the people walking in darkness have seen
  • 24:55 a great light, in Galilee of the Gentiles.
  • 24:58 And so, there's like a move of so many worshipers to this
  • 25:03 region, particularly to a village that's very near
  • 25:07 our village.
  • 25:08 A lot of Christians and Messianic Jews live there.
  • 25:11 We don't live there.
  • 25:13 We chose to live somewhere else because it's real easy to live
  • 25:18 in a bubble and then never learn Hebrew and just speak English
  • 25:21 all the time, and we didn't wanna do that.
  • 25:23 Kirsten: So you grew up speaking Hebrew?
  • 25:25 Carolyn: No, I grew up with prayers in the synagogue
  • 25:28 in Hebrew, but that's not the way people talk.
  • 25:31 So I had to learn it when we moved here.
  • 25:35 And I'm still learning it.
  • 25:36 I like to say I'll be an [speaking in Hebrew] a eternal
  • 25:39 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 25:41 Kirsten: Learner, yes?
  • 25:42 Ha, ha.
  • 25:44 So as a believer in Yeshua, if you don't mind me asking,
  • 25:49 what difficulties do you face being in Israel and especially
  • 25:53 in the Galilee, believing?
  • 25:56 Carolyn: Having grown up in an orthodox synagogue,
  • 25:58 I was taught as a child that the Nazis were Christians,
  • 26:02 that all Christians hate me because I'm Jewish,
  • 26:04 and so I--just that was how I grew up.
  • 26:07 And so I understand that spirit that Saul had as he was writing
  • 26:12 to Damascus, and so, you know, I always ask people,
  • 26:16 "Please don't hate the orthodox.
  • 26:18 Please just pray that they, like,
  • 26:21 fall off their donkeys and see the light of Yeshua,
  • 26:23 the love of Yeshua."
  • 26:25 And I didn't know that love.
  • 26:27 I had a supernatural vision of Yeshua,
  • 26:30 that's how I came to faith.
  • 26:32 And from the time we made Aliyah,
  • 26:34 we love to share the best news ever.
  • 26:39 Yeshua [speaking in Hebrew], Yeshua is the Lord.
  • 26:43 Kirsten: Carolyn, you gorgeous woman,
  • 26:45 thank you for becoming a new friend and taking your precious
  • 26:48 time to share your heart with us.
  • 26:50 If you resonated with Carolyn like we did,
  • 26:54 look her up on the internet.
  • 26:55 Her music is beautiful and most of it is from Israel.
  • 26:59 She tapes right there.
  • 27:01 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yeah, my wife's real friendly
  • 27:02 with Carolyn, too.
  • 27:03 Kirsten: She's great.
  • 27:05 We have more coming up next week, right?
  • 27:07 David: Time to go.
  • 27:08 Kirsten: More good stuff, all about Peter.
  • 27:10 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Time to go now.
  • 27:11 Thanks for joining us.
  • 27:12 As you go, Shaalu shalom Yerushalayim.
  • 27:14 David: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
  • 27:18 David: Join us right now for additional content that is only
  • 27:21 available on our social media sites: Facebook,
  • 27:23 YouTube, and Twitter.
  • 27:25 Visit our website, levitt.com, for the current and past
  • 27:29 programs, the television schedule,
  • 27:30 tour information, and our free monthly newsletter which is full
  • 27:34 of insightful articles and news commentary.
  • 27:38 View it online or we can ship it directly to your mailbox
  • 27:40 every month.
  • 27:42 Also on our website is the online store.
  • 27:45 There, you can order this week's resource or you can always give
  • 27:49 us a call at 1-800-WONDERS.
  • 27:53 Your donations to "Our Jewish Roots" help us to support these
  • 27:56 organizations as they bless Israel.
  • 27:58 Please remember we depend on tax-deductible donations from
  • 28:02 viewers like you.
  • 28:04 ♪♪♪
  • 28:17 CC by Aberdeen Captioning 1-800-688-6621 www.abercap.com

Episodes in this series

  1. Foundation of Faith
  2. Faith Requires Boldness
  3. Who are You, Yeshua?
  4. Divine Apparently
  5. I Don’t Know Him
  6. Do You Love Me?
  7. Tongues of Fire
  8. Beyond Israel’s borders
  9. Bonus interviews

Guests

Cast

Hosts

Scroll to Top