
“Road to Rome”
Paul’s legal troubles land him in stormy waters where he is shipwrecked at Malta. His appeal leads to a prison cell in Rome, but it cannot contain Paul’s desire to share the Gospel during the final years of his life.
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Caption transcript for In The Footsteps of The Rabbi From Tarsus (2020): “Road to Rome” (4/8)
- 00:02 male announcer: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots" with insightful
- 00:06 Bible teaching by Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
- 00:09 This week, we see Paul's final journey leads to Rome as we
- 00:13 follow, "In the Footsteps of the Rabbi from Tarsus."
- 00:18 ♪♪♪
- 00:32 [horse neighing]
- 00:34 ♪♪♪
- 01:17 David Hart: Thank you so much for joining us today.
- 01:18 I'm David Hart.
- 01:20 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
- 01:21 Jeffrey Seif: Jeffrey Seif here and I want you to know that God
- 01:23 has a wonderful plan for your life.
- 01:26 Lots of interesting things in the other side of the
- 01:28 sinner's prayer.
- 01:30 Not always easy and I think of that when I think of Paul, to
- 01:32 tell you the truth.
- 01:34 The Lord led him all over the world and he saw so many things
- 01:37 and so many interesting circumstances.
- 01:39 There were troubles, but the good Lord delivered him from
- 01:41 them all.
- 01:42 Kirsten: Was part of the journey--it's the ebb and flow.
- 01:44 I mean, literally, he was on the water ebb and flowing, but it's
- 01:47 part of our story, part of our journey, Saul to Paul, his life
- 01:51 changed dramatically.
- 01:53 Jeffrey: Yes, it's his story, it's our story, it's in
- 01:57 The Story.
- 01:58 It's great to bring the world a story.
- 02:00 David: Right, Paul's story, it's fascinating.
- 02:02 Let's go to Dr. Seif on location right now.
- 02:07 Jeffrey: The waters of the Mediterranean here are calm,
- 02:10 but that's been known to change on occasion.
- 02:13 In fact, the Mediterranean becomes so precarious that
- 02:16 shipping stops in the winter.
- 02:18 No one dares traverse these waters.
- 02:22 Paul made a trip of a lifetime, one he wouldn't remember for the
- 02:26 rest of his short lifetime lived there and after when he left
- 02:30 Caesarea Maritime, Caesarea, in the wake of his appeal to Rome.
- 02:35 And off to Rome he goes only to, amidst the precariousness of it
- 02:40 all, be waylaid on the island of Malta in the wake of a
- 02:44 horrific shipwreck.
- 02:47 Things start off rather tumultuous.
- 02:49 As you might recall, Paul is in Jerusalem and a riot ensues as
- 02:54 Judeans from Asia Minor recognize Paul there and
- 03:00 they stir it up.
- 03:01 Paul is taken into custody in the wake of a riot.
- 03:05 Luke tells the centurion was kindly disposed toward Paul.
- 03:10 Seeing a ruckus, he pulls him out of the fray.
- 03:13 Learning through one of Paul's relatives that some were out to
- 03:17 kill him then, he will get a number of soldiers, a few
- 03:22 centurions actually, to escort Paul by night to Caesarea.
- 03:26 And there, in Caesarea, he will go before Felix who will
- 03:32 procrastinate and then Festus who's minded to do much
- 03:35 the same.
- 03:36 Finally, it's when he is getting a hearing before Festus in
- 03:41 Caesarea Maritime which, by the way, was the ancient Roman home
- 03:45 away from home.
- 03:46 It was where the Roman occupiers were headquartered.
- 03:49 It was there where, realizing that he was not going to get a
- 03:52 fair trial in Jerusalem because there were too many of the
- 03:57 powers that be that were given to his demise unfairly, Paul
- 04:01 then makes his appeal to Caesar in response to which the
- 04:05 narrative goes in Luke, well, "You appealed to Caesar?
- 04:09 To Caesar you will go."
- 04:12 Finally, at the appointed time, Paul boards a ship.
- 04:15 There's a centurion that's guarding him.
- 04:18 There were a lot of people on that ship and off they go toward
- 04:21 Rome, only to then get caught up in precarious waters.
- 04:25 They have to get rid of cargo.
- 04:28 Eventually, they're gonna lose the boat but they'll suffer no
- 04:30 loss of life.
- 04:32 Even amidst it all, Paul emerges as something of an heroic figure
- 04:36 because he's the one that's given insight, you know,
- 04:42 magnificently so, the Lord just endues him with understanding of
- 04:45 what will become a journey he presages there'll be no loss of
- 04:49 life and he endears himself to some.
- 04:52 The net result is that Paul will do just that.
- 04:55 He will give voice to these prophetic words, the boat will
- 04:59 be shipwrecked on Malta, and there Paul will spend a season.
- 05:03 And that Maltin story we'll get to in a second as we continue.
- 05:07 ♪♪♪
- 05:13 Jeffrey: The rabbi from Tarsus was far away from home
- 05:17 on the island of Malta in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea
- 05:21 where he was shipwrecked.
- 05:23 Like you to open up your Bibles please and look and see with me
- 05:26 what Luke tells of his experience there.
- 05:29 I think it's rather revealing for a variety of reasons.
- 05:32 If you look in the 28th chapter, we're told that the natives on
- 05:38 the island, to use the language of the text in verse 2, "showed
- 05:42 them unusual kindness."
- 05:46 It seems that we can find ourselves pressed amidst the
- 05:49 turbulence of trying times, and the Lord sends people to show
- 05:54 unusual kindness but what's interesting as the story
- 06:00 continues to unfold, that Paul is there, the weather is rainy,
- 06:07 they built a fire, they're warming themselves, and a viper
- 06:12 attaches itself to Paul's hand.
- 06:15 In response to which, those who in one minute were inclined to
- 06:19 show great and unusual kindness look at Paul and construe him as
- 06:25 some heinous figure, some murderer, who, though he has
- 06:29 fortunately escaped the sea, he can't escape providence, and so
- 06:34 it is that God is judging him by slaying him by the viper.
- 06:38 What happens then, however, it's rather interesting is that his
- 06:43 hand doesn't swell, he doesn't die, he shakes the viper off, in
- 06:47 the wake of which people then begin to construe him as a god.
- 06:54 The nature of the story is fascinating for a variety of
- 06:57 reasons and shows how precarious not just the sea is but how
- 07:01 precarious people on land can be.
- 07:04 It can be stormy on land just as on sea as people, moods, and
- 07:08 thoughts, and feelings toward us can shift so dramatically in
- 07:13 such a short period of time.
- 07:16 Pastoral ministry has always struck me like this.
- 07:19 That is to say, as a minister, one minute they think you're a
- 07:22 god, another minute they think you're a devil.
- 07:26 I construe us as just people doing the best that we can to
- 07:30 serve a God who's perfect and greater than all of us, but
- 07:33 those of us who step up to do it are imperfect and it seems that
- 07:36 we absorb a lot of tension and a lot of unreasonable critique and
- 07:41 expectation as is the case with the apostle here.
- 07:45 Well, Luke goes on to note this story, but then he says that
- 07:48 there was a leading citizen on the island and here he says in
- 07:52 verse 7 that "he entertained us courteously."
- 07:56 I like the way Luke underscores the way different people are
- 07:59 responding to Paul: unreasonable kindness, he's a murderer, a
- 08:03 demonic-type figure, he's a god, and now someone here is showing
- 08:07 a gentile kind of courteousness, in response to which then Paul
- 08:12 returns the favor in kind.
- 08:15 You might recall once upon a time in the temple environs
- 08:19 apostles were walking, and there was a lame man begging.
- 08:24 And the apostle said, "Listen, silver and gold we have not,
- 08:28 but we give you what we have.
- 08:30 In the name of Jesus, get up and walk," and this person
- 08:33 was healed.
- 08:34 Well, Paul didn't have two nickels to rub together that I
- 08:37 know of but this fella here who's kindly disposed toward
- 08:40 Paul, Paul returns the favor in kind by laying hands on him.
- 08:44 There's some sickness there and there's a healing which then the
- 08:47 news spreads out and people come to be healed.
- 08:50 The net result of it all is that people are blessed by virtue of
- 08:54 their experience with the rabbi from Tarsus.
- 08:59 Let me close out this segment by underscoring the importance of
- 09:03 being kindly disposed to those that are looking to walk in the
- 09:07 footsteps of Jesus.
- 09:09 Ministry is extremely precarious, the Christian
- 09:11 life is up and down.
- 09:13 Let's get behind and support those that are advocating for
- 09:17 Christian faith and virtue out here in a world where virtue is
- 09:22 in very high demand but very short supply.
- 09:25 This is a lesson that I learn as I examine "The Footsteps of the
- 09:30 Rabbi from Tarsus."
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- 11:38 heart of Rome.
- 11:40 Let's go there now.
- 11:42 Jeffrey: And here we are in the empire.
- 11:45 Fascinating to see the old ruins and the places, and it's
- 11:50 my pleasure, by the way.
- 11:51 I thank you for turning on the television so that you can see
- 11:55 what Paul saw, so you can maybe feel it, so you can sense it.
- 12:01 Here's Paul, a slave for the kingdom, making his way about
- 12:06 the glorious Roman empire, and it's in that empire finally
- 12:12 where Paul is brought low.
- 12:15 Considered unworthy to go on living, he's going to, for all
- 12:19 intents and purposes or so they'll think, meet an
- 12:23 inglorious end.
- 12:25 And in this segment, we'll go to where he arguably ended.
- 12:28 We'll go to the dungeon, the "X marks the spot."
- 12:31 We'll show you the Roman prison--there weren't many.
- 12:35 This was one, perhaps the one where Paul saw his final days.
- 12:41 He who traveled around the empire that you're looking at
- 12:43 right now, he who traveled thousands of miles, couldn't go
- 12:48 a dozen feet as he's restricted in a dungeon.
- 12:53 And from that dungeon, he will emerge and face his destiny
- 12:59 to die.
- 13:01 But truth of the matter is, he started dying the minute he
- 13:05 started living.
- 13:06 Now, what do I mean by that?
- 13:08 If we can for a moment say, "Never mind his final steps,"
- 13:11 and if with me you can look at that first step, looking here in
- 13:16 my Bible, it's the Brit Hadashah in Hebrew.
- 13:19 What that means in English is the New Testament.
- 13:22 There, Luke in his book called Acts, records an exchange
- 13:28 between Paul and someone.
- 13:31 In Acts chapter 9, verse 5: "[speaking in Hebrew]"
- 13:37 And he said," Paul, that is, "Who are you, Lord?
- 13:40 [speaking in Hebrew]."
- 13:45 And he said, "The Lord said, 'I am Jesus, whom you are
- 13:50 persecuting,'" he goes on to say.
- 13:52 Paul, at that moment, came to know Jesus.
- 13:57 What a story.
- 13:59 It's like Paul was this religious leader.
- 14:01 He studied for years and years.
- 14:03 He was the most studied of all of Jesus' disciples.
- 14:06 The others were common fishermen but, no, Paul was a sage.
- 14:11 He cut his teeth theologically but, even with his studies,
- 14:15 something was missing.
- 14:17 He knew the Word, the written Word, but now he came to know
- 14:22 the Word incarnate, the Word that was life.
- 14:25 And that transaction caused something to be infused within
- 14:29 him with the net result that Paul came to life.
- 14:34 And after he came to life, he was particularly proactive at
- 14:39 helping other people come to know life.
- 14:42 But there was a price to be paid.
- 14:44 Paul was bleeding to death in some sense the whole while.
- 14:48 The prophetic word over Paul was the Lord saying, "I'll show him
- 14:51 what he needs to suffer."
- 14:55 But Paul counted it all glorious.
- 14:58 He counted his life as insignificant for the purpose
- 15:01 of being able to help people know the Lord, from self
- 15:04 being able to press on to know him better.
- 15:08 Paul comes to faith on the road to Damascus.
- 15:11 He goes into Damascus.
- 15:12 He's gonna wind up being spirited away from Damascus.
- 15:15 He's gonna see Jerusalem for a season.
- 15:17 He's gonna see Arabia for a season.
- 15:19 He's going to see Tarsus for ten years and then the Lord's gonna
- 15:23 drop it into Barnabas to come and fetch him.
- 15:26 And Barnabas and Paul together will go to a mission outpost,
- 15:29 Antioch, cosmopolitan city made up of Jews and non-Jews, rich
- 15:35 and poor.
- 15:37 And there, there was a church made up of all kinds of people.
- 15:40 And in that church, Paul had a vision.
- 15:43 He already had knowledge of the Word and he had spirit.
- 15:47 He was a new creation.
- 15:49 But there, in that matrix, he begins to develop some sense of
- 15:53 the vision for planet Earth.
- 15:56 When we follow in the footsteps of the rabbi from Tarsus,
- 16:00 we note someone who went on various missionary journeys
- 16:03 from Antioch to make known to the world that the Messiah
- 16:05 is coming--his name is Jesus-- but not just to the Jewish world
- 16:08 but to all the world.
- 16:10 He went by sea, he went by land, he found himself experiencing
- 16:15 reception and rejection.
- 16:17 He preached in synagogues.
- 16:19 Some loved him, some didn't.
- 16:22 He spoke in marketplaces.
- 16:24 Some ignored him, some didn't.
- 16:27 But that intrepid, bold pioneer of the faith was used by God to
- 16:31 establish communities.
- 16:33 But there was a price to be paid for, in conjunction with the new
- 16:36 life, the spirit of anti-life was invested against him with
- 16:41 the net result that he was arrested on many occasions.
- 16:46 He escaped from his imprisonment on a number of occasions,
- 16:49 but not this time.
- 16:51 And so, off we go to the dungeon in Rome.
- 16:56 Off he went.
- 16:58 I would imagine he had a smile on his face, however, for this
- 17:01 was the man who said he counted his life as nothing.
- 17:05 For him to invest his life for Christ's sake, for him to die
- 17:08 for Christ, it's all good.
- 17:10 This was a man on a mission.
- 17:12 And his mission finally took him to this place.
- 17:15 And in a minute, we're gonna see where Paul finished, and we're
- 17:18 gonna take you to the place that was Paul's final place.
- 17:23 ♪♪♪
- 17:28 Jeffrey: I always like working with biblical sources
- 17:30 whenever possible but in looking at Paul's finish, we just don't
- 17:34 have biblical resources to draw upon.
- 17:38 Luke, Paul's historian, tells us that Paul was imprisoned
- 17:42 in Rome.
- 17:44 It was more or less a house arrest, a casual arrest, and
- 17:46 there's a very cogent argument that he was freed from that and
- 17:50 then he went about and continued his ministry.
- 17:56 This is enforced by his letter to Titus, for example, when he
- 18:00 refers to the ministry in Crete that was established, encourages
- 18:03 Titus to continue on, but, as you follow Paul's missionary
- 18:07 journeys in Acts, there's no record of him spending any time
- 18:10 in Crete to speak of.
- 18:12 For that and other reasons, scholars argue that Paul got out
- 18:16 of his quandary in Rome and traveled about, only to then
- 18:21 return to Rome and arguably return to this place in Rome
- 18:26 where he finished up.
- 18:28 This place is an interesting place.
- 18:30 I've spoken to some experts that could speak more to this than I
- 18:33 but this, arguably, is a prison.
- 18:36 There's a stairway behind me that I'm going to descend,
- 18:39 but those who came to this prison came through this hole
- 18:43 right here.
- 18:44 Looks like a manhole, I grant, but what this was, this was the
- 18:46 entrance and people were lowered down.
- 18:49 They were shoved in there and there's an argument that if Paul
- 18:53 wasn't placed in this prison as is alleged by the tradition
- 18:56 then, certainly, one like it.
- 18:59 And we don't know what other one there'd be because this is the
- 19:01 one that we know of in Rome.
- 19:04 Paul, we're told, was executed under Nero, along with Peter,
- 19:14 and as we consider his finale, if you will, there's a sense
- 19:19 in which we're saying goodbye to an old friend.
- 19:23 In this series, we've been concerned with following in the
- 19:27 footsteps of the rabbi from Tarsus.
- 19:29 We've been interested in his movements and in his parchments
- 19:35 and as we do a wrap on his movements, let's just say that
- 19:38 one of his movements would have been to be compressed inward and
- 19:42 shoved down this hole where he found himself imprisoned for
- 19:45 a season.
- 19:47 Such is the tradition.
- 19:49 Let's go down and see what we find when we go down into the
- 19:51 jail that arguably housed Paul.
- 19:54 ♪♪♪
- 20:05 Jeffrey: It's hard to get comfortable down here, but then
- 20:07 again it's not a hotel.
- 20:09 The walls are pressing in on me.
- 20:13 I feel like the ceiling's coming down.
- 20:14 I'm a pretty tall guy anyway and I'm right up against it.
- 20:17 This is arguably where Paul finished up and, as I'd said,
- 20:20 it's not comfortable.
- 20:22 It smells too.
- 20:24 There's a cistern here where the prisoners could attend to
- 20:26 their business.
- 20:28 Must have been a horrible place to be.
- 20:30 But Paul was no stranger to these environs, interestingly.
- 20:33 In a world where people extol the virtues of a Christian life,
- 20:37 how everything comes up roses when, you know, someone prays
- 20:41 the sinner's prayer, for as much as that's advocated, I don't
- 20:45 know that the church knows what to do in a place like this.
- 20:48 Never mind this place for a moment, the Lord prepared Paul
- 20:50 for this.
- 20:51 This wasn't his first time when he was in difficult straits.
- 20:54 He is autobiographical in his Corinthian correspondence,
- 20:57 and I want you to look in 2 Corinthians chapter 11,
- 21:00 verse 23, where he shares that he had "abundant labors."
- 21:04 He says he was "in stripes often," and that's not to say
- 21:07 he liked wearing stripes, as opposed to Paisley or whatever.
- 21:10 It's that he was...he was beat so many times.
- 21:13 His back, his legs, he would have been a mess.
- 21:18 He says he was "in prisons more often and deaths often.
- 21:22 Five times I received 40 stripes minus 1."
- 21:25 He wasn't just whipped with a belt, but there were little
- 21:27 shards at the end of that, shards to kind of tear into
- 21:30 the skin, it was horrible.
- 21:32 "Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned."
- 21:36 People say, "Was Paul married?"
- 21:38 I mean, who--at one level, he wasn't much to look at
- 21:40 and touch.
- 21:42 He was just living, moving scar tissue, if you will, a busted-up
- 21:44 kind of fellow for all he'd been through.
- 21:48 He says, "Three times I was shipwrecked."
- 21:50 You know, as if all the imprisonment and torture wasn't
- 21:52 bad enough.
- 21:54 This guy had a rough go of it.
- 21:56 But you know what?
- 21:57 Difficulties notwithstanding, the grace of God sustained him
- 22:00 and he was able to find a triumph in tragedy.
- 22:04 ♪♪♪
- 22:17 Jeffrey: Paul said that he learned to abound and he learned
- 22:20 to be abased.
- 22:21 He learned to get it both ways in life.
- 22:23 Would that we learn that secret.
- 22:26 Speaking to you from the dungeon where Paul is alleged to have
- 22:29 finished, deep in the bowels of Rome, speaking from this place,
- 22:35 let me remind you that there is a triumph that comes from
- 22:39 tragedy and that's one of the lessons that we learn when we
- 22:43 consider the life, when we walk in the footsteps of the rabbi
- 22:47 from Tarsus and look at his life and look at his death.
- 22:50 We learn there is something more important than life and more
- 22:53 important than death.
- 22:55 Here in the dungeon where Paul spent some of his last moments,
- 23:00 there is a plaque here and it shows Paul in the orant posture.
- 23:06 I've seen this orant posture with hands up and extended in
- 23:10 the catacombs of Rome.
- 23:12 It was the prayer posture in antiquity where people--it's
- 23:16 indicative of surrender.
- 23:18 And here, Paul was in something of a triumphant posture.
- 23:21 Interestingly, he has chains on his hand and he's chained to
- 23:24 this pillar here, arguably.
- 23:26 But though he was chained circumstantially, he was a free
- 23:30 man, free indeed.
- 23:32 And the reason, of course, is because he who has the Son is
- 23:35 free indeed.
- 23:37 And Jesus was in this man's heart and he knew the truth and
- 23:40 the truth did set him free.
- 23:42 And Paul would soar like an eagle,
- 23:44 difficulties notwithstanding.
- 23:46 Would that we all learn that lesson.
- 23:49 Would that we learned about the triumph that's made available,
- 23:53 and the way someone comes to terms with that is they first
- 23:56 realize that what shackles us in life isn't our circumstance.
- 24:00 What shackles in life is our sin.
- 24:03 And we can get free of that the same way Paul did, the same way
- 24:06 people have been doing it before Paul and after, and that is by
- 24:09 reaching up to God and out to the future and saying, "Lord,
- 24:12 please forgive me for my sins," and then reaching out to the
- 24:15 future with him and say, "Lord, I wanna walk with you in the
- 24:18 newness of life.
- 24:20 Please come into my heart and give me the Holy Spirit," and
- 24:22 then we can get on with our business.
- 24:25 You know, you can't soar like an eagle if you act like a turkey,
- 24:27 and there are too many people running around going, "Gobble,
- 24:29 gobble, gobble."
- 24:31 Would that we learned what it is to triumph, what it is to soar.
- 24:36 And so here we are now, midway through our treatment of Paul.
- 24:43 We're looking at the footsteps of this rabbi from Tarsus.
- 24:46 In the first six programs we've considered Paul's movements.
- 24:51 And in the next six, we'll consider his parchments.
- 24:54 We'll consider his writings.
- 24:55 And I trust that with me you'll agree that Paul is a principal
- 25:00 interpreter of the Jesus story, and by coming to terms with
- 25:03 Paul, you can come to terms with Jesus.
- 25:05 By coming to terms with Jesus, you can come to terms with life
- 25:08 and experience the healing that's available to you in life
- 25:11 by the one who gives new life.
- 25:13 And this we learn the more so as we consider with Paul as we walk
- 25:18 in the footsteps of the rabbi from Tarsus.
- 25:21 ♪♪♪
- 25:27 Kirsten: In the ancient world, Paul traveled so
- 25:31 many miles.
- 25:33 He covered a lot of territory and so did you in the filming of
- 25:35 the series.
- 25:37 Jeffrey: Yeah, but there was a difference.
- 25:38 Paul's travels to Rome, he got a ticket courtesy of the empire.
- 25:42 Caesar picked up the tab because he got jacked up by the police
- 25:45 and he appealed to Caesar so he got a free ride, if you will.
- 25:49 Kirsten: He did.
- 25:51 Jeffrey: We don't at the end of the day and it's not just a
- 25:53 question of a passage for me or you to get overseas that when we
- 25:57 film these series, "In the Footsteps of Paul," we travel
- 26:00 with a crew in tow and equipment, and that's just for
- 26:04 the development of the program.
- 26:06 Then once we get into the studio and do this, that adds expense
- 26:10 but all that pales in comparison to the studio costs, to the
- 26:15 network costs, to get it out there on TV.
- 26:18 You know, Paul got where he was going courtesy of the empire.
- 26:22 We get where we're going courtesy of your
- 26:26 sacrificial giving.
- 26:29 And the wonderful thing about giving, the Good Book says that
- 26:32 when we give it's given back to us a hundredfold and God has a
- 26:35 way of blessing personally.
- 26:37 There's a promise associated with blessing the Jewish people
- 26:40 in Genesis.
- 26:41 God says, "I'll bless those who bless you."
- 26:44 I want you to sow some seed into this ministry, not to bless me
- 26:47 really, but to bless this story and other people as they
- 26:51 experience the good news through the eyes of the Jews,
- 26:54 in particular, here learning about Paul.
- 26:57 It's a great story, isn't it?
- 27:00 Kirsten: And we have so much more to bring you here on our
- 27:02 program but also on social media.
- 27:04 Please find us and follow us.
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