Caption transcript for The Crusaders: “The Ambassador Speaks” (3/8)

• 00:07 IN 1095 POPE URBAN II DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
• 00:13 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
• 00:17 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
• 00:22 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
• 00:26 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED IN JERUSALEM ALONE.
• 00:32 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:42 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:43 WELCOME BACK TO OUR SERIES ON THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:47 I SPECIFIED BEFORE WHY WE ARE COVERING THE CRUSADERS,
• 00:50 ALTHOUGH THEY WERE A LOT DIFFERENT, THEY WERE CHRISTIAN ARMIES FROM EUROPE
• 00:54 THAT CAME TO TRY TO GET JERUSALEM AND THE HOLY LAND
• 00:58 OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE MUSLIMS 1000 YEARS AGO.
• 01:02 NO LESS A PERSONALITY THAN OSAMA BIN LADEN SAID RECENTLY ON A TAPE,
• 01:08 MY MESSAGE IS TO INCITE YOU AGAINST THE CONSPIRACIES,
• 01:12 ESPECIALLY THOSE UNCOVERED BY THE OCCUPATION OF THE CRUSADERS IN BAGHDAD
• 01:18 CALLING OUR ARMIES CRUSADERS.
• 01:21 WELL, WE'LL INTERVIEW IN THIS PROGRAM, AMBASSADOR DORE GOLD,
• 01:26 BUT IN THE MEANWHILE, LET'S GO TO LOCATION AT AKKO.
• 01:30 WELL, WE ARE HERE AT AKKO ON THE MEDITERRANEAN SHORE.
• 01:34 THIS IS AN OLD PLACE. THIS WAS AN OLD PLACE WHEN ABRAHAM CAME TO ISRAEL.
• 01:39 IT WAS A CANAANITE CITY-STATE TO BEGIN WITH.
• 01:42 IT'S FAVORED WITH A NATURAL DEEP HARBOR AND RIGHT ON THE COAST
• 01:47 WITH JUST ABOUT AT THE VALLEY OF ARMAGEDDON WHICH IS A VERY FERTILE FLAT PLACE
• 01:52 YOU CAN CROSS THE LAND INTO MESOPOTAMIA EASILY HERE.
• 01:56 SO TRADERS USED THIS ROUTE FROM EGYPT TO MESOPOTAMIA FROM EUROPE WHEN IT BEGAN TO TRADE HERE,
• 02:04 SO LONG, I'M TALKING 4,000 YEARS HISTORY, IT'S MORE THAN THAT,
• 02:10 BUT IT WAS ALSO THE SITE THEREFORE OF MANY BATTLES.
• 02:14 THE CRUSADERS CAME HERE IN 1104 BUT THEY WERE PRECEDED BY A LONG LIST OF CONQUERORS
• 02:22 INCLUDING THE USUAL SUSPECTS, THE EGYPTIANS, THE PERSIANS, THE HASMONEANS,
• 02:30 JEWISH PEOPLE CONQUERED IT BEFORE MESSIAH CAME THEN THE ROMANS AND THEN HUMIAD,
• 02:39 ARABS, MUSLIMS CAME THEN THE OTTOMANS AND BRITISH, THE PALESTINIANS,
• 02:45 JUST HORDES AND HORDES OF PEOPLE CAME HERE AND WHEN THE CRUSADERS ARRIVED IN 1104,
• 02:52 THEY WERE DETERMINED TO HOLD THIS PLACE.
• 02:54 IT'S A WONDERFUL HARBOR, BUT THEY HAD TO FIGHT WITH THE INLAND ARABS.
• 03:01 THERE WAS AN ARAB POPULATION ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE SO THE BATTLED FINALLY WITH SALAHADIN.
• 03:08 THEY LOST THE PLACE FOR AWHILE, THEY TOOK IT BACK,
• 03:10 BUT THEY MADE IT A SHOW PLACE OF CULTURE AND ARCHITECTURE IN THE LONG RUN.
• 03:16 IT WAS REALLY WORLD CLASS IN THE 13TH CENTURY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY,
• 03:21 THEY LOST IT TO THE MAMALUKES, MUSLIMS FROM EGYPT WHO TOOK IT IN 1291.
• 03:28 LATER OTTOMANS OCCUPIED IT AND IT'S STILL OCCUPIED TODAY.
• 03:32 PEOPLE LIVE HERE, IT'S A THRIVING LITTLE CITY.
• 03:34 OUR TOURS HAVE COME HERE INTO THE UNDERGROUND CITY, SO CALLED.
• 03:40 IT WASN'T REALLY BUILT UNDERGROUND,
• 03:42 BUT AL JAZAR, CHIEFTAIN OF MUSLIMS IN THE 18TH CENTURY PUT A MOSQUE IN AN ARAB COMPLEX
• 03:51 RIGHT OVER TOP OF THE OLD CRUSADER'S CITY CAUSING IT TO BECOME AN UNDERGROUND CITY,
• 03:57 BUT HE LEFT IT OPEN AT THE END SO THAT VISITORS, TOURISTS COULD GO THROUGH THE UNDERGROUND AREA
• 04:03 AND MARVEL AT IT AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR TOURS HAVE DONE.
• 04:07 WHEN THE CRUSADERS WERE HERE, THE HOSPITALLER KNIGHTS IN PARTICULAR,
• 04:13 ESTABLISHED A MEDICAL CENTER, I GUESS FROM WHERE WE GET OUR TERM "HOSPITAL".
• 04:18 THEY TREATED PILGRIMS BACK THEN, PILGRIMS TO THE LAND
• 04:22 GOT SICK WITH TRAVELERS DISEASES AND THEY TREATED THEM HERE.
• 04:27 THE CRUSADERS BUILT THEIR GREAT HALLS AND THEIR CASTLE ON HELLENIST FOUNDATIONS.
• 04:36 THE GREEKS WHO WERE HERE LONG BEFORE ANY ROMAN ENGINEERS HAD LAID FOUNDATIONS IN THE EARTH,
• 04:43 SO THEY WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THE CRUSADERS IN THERE TURN AND THEN THE ARABS AFTER THAT.
• 04:49 A LOT OF THE HOLY LAND IS LIKE THAT.
• 04:51 I CAN THINK OF THE JEZREEL VALLEY, THE SITE OF MEGIDDO,
• 04:58 WHICH IS LIKE A STACK OF 20 CIVILIZATIONS LIKE SHOEBOXES ON SHELVES,
• 05:02 ONE BUILT ON TOP OF ANOTHER AND IT'S BURNED AND THERE'S ASH
• 05:07 AND THEN THERE'S A LAYER OF ANOTHER AND THEN ASH AND THEN A LAYER OF ANOTHER ONE STRAIGHT UP
• 05:11 AND IT SOMEWHAT HAPPENED HERE IN THAT FASHION.
• 05:15 TOWARD THE END, NAPOLEON CAME, THAT IS, UP TOWARD OUR DAY,
• 05:21 IN 1799, HE FAILED TO CONQUER THIS PLACE.
• 05:24 HE SAID IF I COULD HAVE GOT AKKO, I'D HAVE THE WORLD.
• 05:27 I ADDED, I THINK THAT'S A LOT TO SAY, BUT ANYHOW,
• 05:29 HE DIDN'T CONQUER IT EITHER AND THE GREAT HALLS ARE STILL THERE.
• 05:34 THE CRUSADERS BUILT IN THE STYLE THEY DID IN ENGLAND, FRANCE AND GERMANY,
• 05:41 GREAT CASTLES WITH ENORMOUS ROOMS WHERE KNIGHTS WOULD MEET AND EAT AND CELEBRATE AND SING.
• 05:48 THOSE ROOMS ARE STILL HERE IN THE SO-CALLED UNDERGROUND CITY.
• 05:53 IN THE END THE BRITISH CAME IN THE 20TH CENTURY
• 05:58 AND THEY OCCUPIED THE PLACE UNDER THE BRITISH MANDATE
• 06:01 AND THERE WE HAVE QUITE A SITUATION I'LL DESCRIBE AFTER THIS.
• 06:13 ASK FOR OUR FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER AND OUR CATALOG WITH VIDEOS, BOOKS AND MUSIC.
• 06:21 OUR CORRESPONDENCE COURSE, THE INSTITUTE OF JEWISH-CHRISTIAN STUDIES INCLUDES
• 06:26 READING PACKETS, TEACHING CASSETTES AND MAIL IN TESTS.
• 06:30 DID YOU KNOW THAT ZOLA TAKES TOURSTO ISRAEL, GREECE AND THE HOLY LAND EXPERIENCE THEME PARK IN ORLANDO, FL.?
• 06:37 PLEASE CONTACT US FOR MORE INFORMATION.
• 06:42 IN THE 20TH CENTURY, THE BRITISH PRETTY MUCH OPERATED THIS PLACE UNTIL ISRAELI INDEPENDENCE.
• 06:51 THEY HAD A MANDATE GIVEN THEM IN 1918 AND THEY ALSO HAD THE BALFOUR DECLARATION,
• 06:58 DAVID BALFOUR, A BRITISH GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL
• 07:02 HAD DECLARED THAT THE JEWS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REESTABLISH THEIR ANCIENT SOCIETY HERE IN ISRAEL
• 07:12 WHERE OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE THE NATIVES, IT'S WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
• 07:15 THE BRITISH TRIED THIS DOCTRINE OF EQUIVALENCY THAT WE SEE TODAY IN THE MEDIA AND THE PRESS,
• 07:23 OF TWO PEOPLE, REALLY, ARE IN THE LAND AND SHARE IT AND ALL THE REST OF THAT
• 07:28 AND THE BRITISH LEANED MORE TO THE ARAB SIDE.
• 07:32 THEY WERE ALWAYS, AND TO THIS DAY, ARE MORE LIKE ARABISTS
• 07:37 THAN THEY ARE LIKE ON THE JEWISH SIDE OF THINGS.
• 07:41 BUT WITH THAT SAID, THE SITUATION WAS
• 07:44 THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND DID NOT LIKE THE BRITISH.
• 07:47 THE ARABS FOUGHT WITH THEM, THE JEWS FOUGHT WITH THEM,
• 07:49 PARTICULARLY THE JEWS FOUGHT WITH THEM BECAUSE THIS IS JEWISH LAND
• 07:53 AND THEY WERE FOREIGN OCCUPIERS, SIMPLE AS THAT.
• 07:55 NOW WITH ALL THAT SAID, WE GOT A STANDARD GUIDEBOOK THAT'S PART OF OUR RESEARCH FOR THE PROGRAM.
• 08:02 THIS ONE'S CALLED, "LET'S GO ISRAEL" AND AMONG THE SOURCES THAT WE LOOKED AT.
• 08:07 WE LOOKED AT THIS BOOK AND I FOUND THIS SENTENCE.
• 08:21 THAT'S ABOUT THE CITADEL HERE AT AKKO AND THE BRITISH OPERATED A PRISON HERE
• 08:25 IN WHICH THEY TOOK JEWISH FIGHTERS WHO OPPOSED THEM AND JAILED THEM.
• 08:37 IT'S A CRAZY STATEMENT BECAUSE, ALTHOUGH WE READ IT ALL THE TIME, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
• 08:42 A TERRORIST TACTIC IS DONE AGAINST INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
• 08:46 THAT'S WHY IT'S TERRORISM. THAT'S WHY IT STRIKES TERROR.
• 08:49 IT'S NOT TERROR TO ATTACK ARMED TROOPS.
• 08:52 ARMED TROOPS ARE IN THAT BUSINESS.
• 08:54 THE BRITISH WERE WALKING AROUND HERE WITH GUNS. THEY WERE WEARING UNIFORMS.
• 08:59 THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY FOREIGNERS IN A JEWISH LAND
• 09:02 AND WHEN THE JEW INCLUDING MENACHEM BEGIN, FOR ONE,
• 09:06 ATTACKED THEM, THEY WERE CALLED FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
• 09:10 THEY WERE CALLED A LOT OF THINGS, BUT TO CALL THEM TERRORISTS, IS CRAZY.
• 09:14 WE CALL PALESTINIAN PEOPLE TERRORIST WHEN THEY BLOW UP BOMBS ON CITY BUSES
• 09:19 BECAUSE THEY ARE ATTACKING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE ALIKE, IT DOESN'T MATTER,
• 09:23 BUT THEY NEVER ATTACK AN ISRAELI ARMY BASE.
• 09:27 THEY MIGHT SHOOT SOME POOR SOLDIER ON GUARD DUTY IN THE BACK,
• 09:31 BUT, THEY DON'T GO AND CONFRONT THE ARMY AS DID BEGIN AND HIS COHORTS.
• 09:36 THAT IS NOT TERRORISM IF THEY DID THAT, IF THEY GO TO AN ARMED SOLDIER,
• 09:42 IT IS NOT TERRORISM AND THIS BOOK GIVES ALL OF THE CONQUERORS OF THIS LAND.
• 09:58 LOTS AND LOTS OF STRANGERS IN THE LAND,
• 10:01 BUT THEY RESERVE THE TERM TERRORIST FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE, THE NATIVES.
• 10:15 TODAY THE BATTLE OVER ISRAEL REALLY IS ABOUT POLITICS.
• 10:20 THERE'S NO LOGIC TO THE CASE OF ARABS BEING IN THE LAND
• 10:25 AND JEWS COMING TO PUSH THEM OUT, JUST DOESN'T WORK.
• 10:28 IT WAS ALWAYS A JEWISH LAND, WHOLE HISTORY OF IT,
• 10:31 ARCHAEOLOGY, WRITINGS, THE VERY TITLE THAT GOD GAVE ABRAHAM.
• 10:36 IT'S JEWISH LAND, BUT POLITICS CAN SWAY PEOPLES OPINIONS.
• 10:40 THE MEDIA PARTICULARLY CNN, THE NEW YORK TIMES
• 10:43 ARE CONSTANTLY TAKING THE ARAB SIDE OF THINGS
• 10:47 SO WE SOUGHT AN INTERVIEW WITH SOMEBODY AWARE OF DIPLOMACY AND POLITICS
• 10:51 AND WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO COME TO AMBASSADOR DORE GOLD, FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR.
• 10:58 HIS PEDIGREE GOES ON FOR PAGES SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH IT, BUT HE'S VERY ACCOMPLISHED.
• 11:02 HE'S AN AMERICAN.
• 11:04 HE'S GOT A DOCTORATE IN INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS FROM COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY,
• 11:08 QUITE A SPOKESMAN AND A SPOKESMAN FOR PRIME MINISTER SHARON.
• 11:12 HERE'S DORE GOLD.
• 11:13 DORE, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A VAST KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION,
• 11:18 THE PALESTINIANS, VISA VI THE-- WHAT'S GOING ON? LET ME JUST TURN YOU LOSE.
• 11:24 YOU KNOW, ISRAEL SPENT THE LAST 10 YEARS EXPERIMENTING WITH THE OSLO AGREEMENTS
• 11:29 AND WE'VE LOST NOW CLOSE TO 1000 ISRAELI LIVES WITH THIS EXPERIMENT.
• 11:33 IT THINK ISRAELIS HAVE NOW COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMPTIONS OF OSLO,
• 11:38 THAT YASSER ARAFAT WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR AREAS UNDER HIS JURISDICTION
• 11:44 AND FIGHT TERRORISM THE WAY THE EGYPTIANS FIGHT TERROR AGAINST EGYPT
• 11:48 OR ALGERIANS AGAINST THE ALGERIAN UNDERGROUND MOVEMENTS.
• 11:51 THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THEREFORE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE AT THIS TIME
• 11:56 BUT TO PUT IN PLACE THE BEGINNINGS OF A UNILATERAL SOLUTION
• 12:00 AND THAT IS ERECTING A FENCE THAT WILL TAKE IN THE LARGEST NUMBER OF ISRAELIS POSSIBLE
• 12:05 TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE SUICIDE BOMBERS THAT ARAFAT HAS LAUNCHED AND ALLOWED TO BE LAUNCHED.
• 12:11 NOW YOU'RE BEING CRITICIZED FOR BUILDING THE BERLIN WALL, THE APARTHEID WALL.
• 12:16 I GRABBED A PUBLICATION, DON'T KNOW WHAT CAME OVER ME,
• 12:20 IT'S CALLED, "THIS WEEK IN PALESTINE".
• 12:21 THE THING IS FULL OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE APARTHEID WALL.
• 12:25 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE SUBSTANCE HERE THAT MATTERS.
• 12:28 THE BERLIN WALL WAS PUT IN PLACE TO IMPRISON GERMANS AND OTHER PEOPLES IN EASTERN EUROPE
• 12:38 UNDER SOVIET DOMINATION TO NOT LET THEM OUT.
• 12:40 OUR PROBLEM IS THAT THE PALESTINIANS WERE LET OUT AND WERE ABLE TO COME INTO ISRAEL
• 12:46 AND THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR FREEDOM,
• 12:47 THEY WERE LOOKING TO KILL ISRAELIS WITH SUICIDE BELTS.
• 12:50 SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO PROTECT ISRAELIS,
• 12:54 WE'RE NOT TRYING TO IMPRISON PEOPLE UNDER A REGIME OF ANY SORT,
• 12:58 BUT THE REASON THESE ANALOGIES ARE USED LIKE APARTHEID WALL, OR BERLIN WALL
• 13:04 IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE SUBSTANCE DOESN'T MATTER HERE.
• 13:07 WHAT MATTERS IS THE EFFORT OF PALESTINIAN SPOKESMAN AND THEIR SUPPORTERS
• 13:11 TO DE-LEGITIMIZE THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
• 13:13 SO BY TRYING TO PUT US IN THE CATEGORY OF SOUTH AFRICA
• 13:17 OR FOR SOME AUDIENCES IN THE CATEGORY OF THE SOVIET BLOCK,
• 13:21 THEY HOPE TO DAMAGE ISRAEL'S STANDING IN WORLD OPINION.
• 13:27 THAT'S WHY THESE PHRASES ARE CHOSEN.
• 13:29 ALL THIS NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA SEEMS TO BE WORKING.
• 13:33 RECENTLY THE EUROPEANS DECLARED ISRAEL THE MOST DANGEROUS, THE BIGGEST THREAT TO WORLD PEACE.
• 13:43 WE'RE IN GOOD COMPANY BECAUSE NUMBER TWO IS UNITED STATES.
• 13:45 I DID LIKE THAT PART.
• 13:47 IT REMINDED ME WHEN THE NAZIS DISALLOWED JEWISH COMPOSERS AND BARTAK WROTE A LETTER AND SAID,
• 13:55 "I'M NOT JEWISH, BUT I WANT TO BE ON THAT LIST".
• 13:58 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ASSUMPTIONS IN WORLD POLITICS.
• 14:01 THERE IS A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF EUROPEAN OPINION THAT BELIEVES IF YOU JUST SAT BACK,
• 14:07 DID NOTHING BUT MAKE MONEY AND RUN YOUR BUSINESS, THE WORLD WOULD BE A SAFE PLACE,
• 14:13 THAT THERE IS THIS AUTOMATIC HARMONY OF INTERESTS AND THERE ARE 2 COUNTRIES THAT UNDERSTAND,
• 14:20 UNDERSTAND VERY WELL, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE, ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT WANT TO DESTROY US.
• 14:25 UNITED STATES WITNESSED THAT DEVASTATINGLY IN SEPT. 11
• 14:30 WHEN AL QAEDA STRUCK AT WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK AND ISRAEL WITNESSES IT EVERY DAY.
• 14:36 THEREFORE WE ARE NATIONS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO DEFENDING OUR CITIZENS
• 14:42 AND UNDERSTANDS THAT IF WE DON'T PROTECT OURSELVES, PEOPLE WILL TRY TO DESTROY US.
• 14:49 EUROPEANS WHO LIVED UNDER THE WINGS OF THE AMERICAN EAGLE ALL DURING THE COLD WAR,
• 14:54 HAVEN'T INTERNALIZED THAT CONCLUSION AND THEREFORE THEY SEE OUR ACTS OF SELF-DEFENSE
• 14:58 AS DISTURBING THE INTERNATIONAL PEACE THAT THEY THINK WOULD EMERGE.
• 15:03 SO, IF WE DIDN'T DO A WAR ON TERRORISM, TERRORISM WOULD JUST STOP.
• 15:06 IT WOULD JUST GO AWAY BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE HAPPY
• 15:08 AND STAY IN 4-5 STAR HOTELS IN PARIS AND BE LEFT ALONE.
• 15:13 IN FACT, THE PROBLEM IS, THEY ARE WRONG.
• 15:15 PEOPLE DON'T JUST WANT THAT, THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO DESTROY US.
• 15:18 I STUDIED THE IDEOLOGY OF AL QAEDA, I WROTE ABOUT WAHABISM IN SAUDI ARABIA
• 15:22 AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE OUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND.
• 15:26 SAUDI ARABIANS, YOU DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT HATRED, WHAT WAS THE TITLE?
• 15:35 "HATRED'S KINGDOM".
• 15:36 YES, "HATRED'S KINGDOM".
• 15:38 THE SAUDI ARABIANS ARE GETTING A PASS THESE DAYS IT SEEMS LIKE.
• 15:43 THE PRESIDENT HAS A SAUDI PRINCE TO HIS RANCH, CRONIES ALL OVER THE PLACE,
• 15:49 WE'RE NOT MARCHING ANY SOLDIERS INTO THERE. WHAT'S GOING ON?
• 15:52 IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PASS.
• 15:54 SEC. OF DEFENSE DONALD RUMSFELD HAS ANNOUNCED
• 15:57 THAT IT'S PULLING OUT IT'S TROOPS FROM SAUDI ARABIA
• 16:00 INCLUDING FROM THE LARGE PRINCE SULTAN AIR BASE SOUTH OF RIYADH.
• 16:04 BUT, I DON'T EXPECT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
• 16:06 TO GO TO WAR AGAINST EVERY COUNTRY THAT HAS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM.
• 16:10 YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
• 16:11 WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE WORST CASE.
• 16:13 THE MOST DANGEROUS CASE WAS SADDAM HUSSEIN,
• 16:16 WHO COULD HAVE BECOME THE NEXUS TO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS AND TERRORISM.
• 16:21 IN A SENSE, UNITED STATES, BY GOING AFTER IRAQ,
• 16:24 WAS NOT HANDLING THE TERRORIST ATTACK OF THE PAST, SEPT 11,
• 16:28 BUT RATHER PREEMPTING THE TERRORIST ATTACK OF THE FUTURE
• 16:32 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
• 16:35 BUT IN TERMS OF SAUDI ARABIA,
• 16:37 I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO PUT QUIET PRESSURE ON THE SAUDIS.
• 16:40 WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS THAT SAUDI ARABIA IS FIGHTING TERRORISM DOMESTICALLY.
• 16:44 THEY HAVE AL QAEDA ATTACK QUITE FREQUENTLY AND THEY ARE UNCOVERING CELLS OF AL QAEDA
• 16:49 THROUGHOUT THE KINGDOM EVEN THOUGH THEY DENIED JUST A YEAR AGO
• 16:51 THEY EVEN HAD ANY TERRORISTS IN SAUDI ARABIA AND ANY AL QAEDA PRESENCE.
• 16:55 WHERE WE SEE SAUDI ARABIA STILL FAILING, IS IN THE AREA OF TERRORIST FINANCING.
• 17:00 I CAN TELL YOU TODAY THAT 60-70% OF HAMAS BUDGET COMES FROM SAUDI DONATIONS
• 17:07 THROUGH SAUDI CHARITIES AND THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
• 17:11 THAT'S A PROBLEM WE'RE ASKING THE UNITED STATES TO ALLEVIATE.
• 17:14 THAT'S A FIRST RATE PROBLEM, THAT'S A VERY BIG DEAL.
• 17:17 SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS SUPPORTING THE PALESTINIAN TERRORISM.
• 17:21 ABSOLUTELY, THIS HAS TO COME TO AN END.
• 17:23 WE'VE SAID IF THE SAUDIS ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR GREAT PEACE INITIATIVE
• 17:27 THAT WAS FIRST BROADCAST IN THE NEW YORK TIMES BY TOM FRIEDMAN, PRINCE ABDULLAH'S PEACE PLAN,
• 17:33 THEN HOW COULD THEY BE FINANCING HAMAS
• 17:35 AND THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN SUICIDE BOMBINGS AGAINST ISRAELI CIVILIANS.
• 17:39 ARE YOU FOR PEACE OR ARE YOU FOR SUICIDE BOMBINGS?
• 17:42 APPARENTLY THEY HAVE BEEN FINANCING THE LATTER.
• 17:43 YOU KNOW, TOM FRIEDMAN, WHILE YOU MENTION IT,
• 17:46 ANSWER FOR ME, HE SEEMS TO HAVE MULTIPLE PERSONALITY OR SOMETHING.
• 17:51 HE'S A LONGTIME ARABIST IN MY MIND. I'VE READ HIM FOR A LONG TIME.
• 17:55 LATELY HE'S DISAPPOINTED HIS FRIENDS, LETTING HIM DOWN,
• 17:59 THEY'RE NOT ACTING WELL, THE ARABS, AND YET HE STILL THINKS SETTLEMENTS HAVE TO GO,
• 18:04 THE LAND HAS TO GO TO THE PALESTINIANS, HE'S STILL ON THAT TRACK OF OSLO.
• 18:09 THE SETTLEMENT ISSUE IS AN OVERBLOWN ISSUE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
• 18:14 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TERRITORIAL DISPUTE
• 18:16 WHERE ISRAEL HAS CLAIMS AND PALESTINIANS HAVE CLAIMS.
• 18:20 PALESTINIANS HAVE NO LIMITATIONS ON BUILDING IN THEIR VILLAGES AND TOWNS,
• 18:24 ADDING MORE HOUSING UNITS. WHY SHOULD ISRAEL?
• 18:28 WHAT WILL SETTLE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS
• 18:32 IS THE NEGOTIATING TABLE, NOT HOW MUCH CONCRETE IS POURED.
• 18:35 SO, EMPHASIZING THE ISSUE OF SETTLEMENTS IS EMPHASIZING THE WRONG ISSUE.
• 18:40 FUNDAMENTAL FACT IS WE HAVE TO REACH A TERRITORIAL COMPROMISE IN THE WEST BANK,
• 18:45 IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA WHICH SOME TERRITORY WILL BECOME PART OF A PALESTINIAN DOMAIN
• 18:49 AND OTHER PARTS OF THE TERRITORY WILL BECOME PART OF ISRAEL
• 18:52 AND PROVIDE ISRAEL WITH A DEFENSIBLE BORDERS THAT IT DESERVES.
• 18:57 THAT'S YOUR OTHER ARTICLE I WAS INTERESTED IN, "DEFENSIBLE BORDERS FOR ISRAEL".
• 19:01 WELL, YOU KNOW, "DEFENSIBLE BORDERS" IS THE HERITAGE
• 19:05 THAT WE WERE LEFT BY OUR LATE PRIME MINISTER YITZHAK RABIN,
• 19:08 WHO IN HIS LAST SPEECH IN THE KNESSET, ONE MONTH BEFORE HE WAS ASSASSINATED,
• 19:13 ACTUALLY LAID OUT THE MAP OF ISRAEL. HE LAID OUT THE RABIN LEGACY.
• 19:17 HE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT GOING BACK TO '67 LINES,
• 19:19 HE SAID ISRAEL MUST NEVER GO BACK TO THE '67 LINES, THOSE WEREN'T POLITICAL BORDERS,
• 19:24 THEY WERE JUST MILITARY LINES WHERE THE JORDANIAN ARMY STOPPED IN 1948.
• 19:28 HE INSISTED ON "DEFENSIBLE BORDERS".
• 19:31 HE SPOKE ABOUT ISRAEL RETAINING THE JORDAN VALLEY.
• 19:33 THE JORDAN VALLEY IS NOT JUST THE RIVERBED,
• 19:36 BUT IT IS THE EASTERN SLOPES OF THE WEST BANK HILL RIDGE
• 19:40 THAT FACES ARMIES IN THE FUTURE, TO THE EAST.
• 19:43 IT ALSO PREVENTS WEAPONRY THAT'S IN LARGE NUMBERS IN PLACES LIKE IRAQ,
• 19:48 FROM BEING SMUGGLED INTO THE WEST BANK LIKE SHOULDER FIRED MISSILES.
• 19:52 WE NEED TO HAVE THAT BARRIER IN OUR HANDS.
• 19:55 HE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT BLOCKS BEING RETAINED,
• 19:57 ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA WESTERN SAMARIA AND AROUND JERUSALEM
• 20:00 AND HE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT ONE THING
• 20:02 THAT PEOPLE LATELY HAVE NOT BEEN SUFFICIENTLY CLEAR ABOUT,
• 20:05 JERUSALEM MUST REMAIN UNITED UNDER THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ISRAEL.
• 20:09 THAT WAS RABIN'S LEGACY AND THAT LEGACY ALSO MOTIVATES ARIEL SHARON, OUR PRIME MINISTER.
• 20:53 OF COURSE, NOW I CAN HEAR PALESTINIANS SAY, ALL VERY WELL, THE ISRAELIS CAME HERE
• 20:57 AND PUSHED US OFF OUR OWN LAND, CREATED REFUGEES AND OCCUPIED IT.
• 21:04 OCCUPATIONS REALLY SHOULD BE ILLEGAL, ANY KIND OF RESISTANCE,
• 21:07 EVEN THE U.N. SAYS ARMED RESISTANCE IS ACCEPTABLE
• 21:10 AND THEY HINGE EVERYTHING ON THE IDEA THEY WERE HERE,
• 21:15 THE JEWS CAME AND PUSHED THEM OFF THE LAND AND OCCUPIED IT.
• 21:19 THERE ARE REALLY TWO ISSUES THAT YOU ARE MENTIONING HERE.
• 21:21 NUMBER ONE, WHOSE LAND IS IT? WHO WAS HERE FIRST?
• 21:25 WELL, BIG SURPRISE FOR YOUR LISTENERS, THERE NEVER WAS A PALESTINIAN STATE.
• 21:29 IT'S NOT SUCH A BIG SURPRISE.
• 21:31 NO, I'M SAYING THAT, THERE SIMPLY WASN'T.
• 21:33 IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THERE WAS THIS HISTORIC STATE OF PALESTINE THAT EXISTED FOR CENTURIES
• 21:37 AND ISRAEL ROLLED IN AND TOOK IT.
• 21:40 THE LAND FOR THE MOST PART, THIS AREA WAS PART OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE 300-400 YEARS.
• 21:46 THE BRITISH TOOK IT OVER AND THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS DECIDED
• 21:50 THAT A JEWISH NATIONAL HOME SHOULD BE HERE
• 21:52 BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LEAD THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, BACK AT THE END OF WWI,
• 21:56 █a████████E█E W█S█AaX█.ISH CLAIM TO THE LAND, IT WAS FROM THE BIBLE.
• 21:59 IT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT JEWS ALWAYS TRIED TO COME BACK TO THE LAND.
• 22:04 PEOPLE ALSO DON'T KNOW THIS.
• 22:06 DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE ACHIEVED, THE JEWISH PEOPLE ACHIEVED A JEWISH MAJORITY IN JERUSALEM?
• 22:11 WAS IT IN '67, WAS IT IN '48? IT WAS IN 1864, BEFORE THE BRITISH GOT HERE,
• 22:17 BEFORE THE RISE OF ZIONISM, BEFORE THEODORE HERTZEL, BEFORE THE BALFOUR DECLARATION,
• 22:22 JEWS WERE STREAMING BACK TO THEIR LAND
• 22:24 AND WE ALREADY HAD A JEWISH MAJORITY IN THE CITY OF JERUSALEM.
• 22:27 JERUSALEM WAS A JEWISH CITY.
• 22:29 IN THE LINCOLN ADMINISTRATION.
• 22:30 AT THE TIME THAT PRES. LINCOLN WAS SENDING GENERAL GRANT
• 22:33 TO MOP UP THE RESISTANCE DOWN IN THE SOUTH,
• 22:38 SO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY FACT.
• 22:42 SO WE HAVE DEEP CLAIMS TO THIS LAND,
• 22:45 IN FACT IT'S BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY PROVEN
• 22:47 THAT DURING THE YEARS THAT THE JEWS CAME BACK TO THE LAND,
• 22:51 THE LAND BECAME MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE TO ARABS WHO WANTED TO IMMIGRATE HERE.
• 22:55 FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT SAID IN 1939, PRES. ROOSEVELT,
• 23:00 MORE ARABS IMMIGRATED INTO PALESTINE BETWEEN WWI AND 1939 THAN JEWS.
• 23:07 THAT'S A STRIKING FACT. THAT IS STRIKING.
• 23:10 SO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PALESTINIAN NATIONALISM
• 23:13 IS A VERY RECENT NATIONALISM THAT ISRAEL SAYS THEY WILL ADDRESS.
• 23:17 AT THE SAME TIME, THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
• 23:20 IN CONNECTION TO THIS LAND HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD
• 23:23 AND THEREFORE WE DON'T SEE OURSELVES AS FOREIGNERS
• 23:27 OR EUROPEANS WHO HAVE COME HERE ON THE BACK OF EUROPEAN IMPERIALISM.
• 23:30 WE SEE OURSELVES AS THE NATURAL NATION THAT HAS ALWAYS HAD TITLE HERE,
• 23:35 HAS ALWAYS HAD CONNECTION HERE, OUR PRAYERS, OUR DREAMS
• 23:38 HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONNECTED TO THIS LAND WHEREVER WE LIVE.
• 23:41 YOU HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED 3,000 YEARS OF HISTORY.
• 23:46 YOU MENTIONED 1864, YOU'RE BEING MORE THAN FAIR,
• 23:50 BUT TAKE THE BIBLE AT IT'S WORD, ABRAHAM WAS GIVEN THE LAND 4000 YEARS AGO
• 23:56 AND KING DAVID TOOK JERUSALEM AND HIS ARTIFACTS ARE EVERWHERE.
• 24:00 OUR INTERNAL ASSUMPTIONS FOR JEWISH PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT AT FRIDAY NIGHT DINNER TABLE,
• 24:05 THESE WERE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE RECOGNIZED BY LEADING MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE,
• 24:09 LORD PALMERSTON SPOKE ABOUT THIS WHEN HE WAS BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY.
• 24:12 NAPOLEON BONAPARTE, THE RULER OF FRANCE,
• 24:15 PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS SPOKE ABOUT THE JEWISH CONNECTION TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 24:18 THESE WERE FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMP- TIONS SHARED BY THE LEADERS OF THE WORLD IN THE 19TH CENTURY.
• 24:24 SO WE WEREN'T COMING TO RECLAIM SOMETHING OR CLAIM SOMETHING THAT WASN'T OURS,
• 24:28 WE WERE RECLAIMING SOMETHING THAT WAS OURS.
• 24:30 YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF OCCUPATION.
• 24:32 I THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
• 24:34 SINCE 9-11, IN PARTICULAR, MANY PALESTINIAN SPOKESMEN AND THEIR DEFENDERS
• 24:39 SAY, OF COURSE THERE'S BEEN AN OUTBREAK OF VIOLENCE BECAUSE THIS ISN'T TERRORISM,
• 24:45 THIS IS RESISTANCE TO OCCUPATION.
• 24:47 IT'S SAID BY PALESTINIAN SPOKESMEN, PARTICULARLY IN THE U.N. IN SECURITY COUNCIL
• 24:53 AND THIS IS USED TO JUSTIFY THE USE OF SUICIDE BOMBINGS,
• 24:57 SENDING AN 18 YEAR OLD PALESTINIAN KID
• 24:59 INTO A CROWDED CAFE TO KILL 30 ISRAELI TEENAGERS.
• 25:02 NOTHING JUSTIFIES THE MURDER OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS, NO CAUSE, NO GRIEVANCE.
• 25:07 BUT GOING BEYOND THAT FOR A MOMENT, IT IS A FALSE ARGUMENT.
• 25:11 I WAS AN OSLO NEGOTIATOR, I USED TO MEET WITH ARAFAT, WITH ABU MAZAN,
• 25:15 WITH THE WHOLE LEADERSHIP AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT ISRAEL DID DURING THE OSLO ACCORDS.
• 25:20 ISRAEL TOOK THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT THAT IT HAD FOR YEARS OVER PALESTINIAN CITIES
• 25:27 AND WITHDREW THAT GOVERNMENT. AND WHAT DID WE PUT THERE INSTEAD,
• 25:32 THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY UNDER YASSER ARAFAT.
• 25:36 NOW, DO THE PALESTINIANS HAVE AN INDEPENDENT STATE
• 25:39 AS A RESULT OF THAT ACTION BY ISRAEL FULFILLING THE OSLO AGREEMENTS?
• 25:42 NO, BUT WERE THEY UNDER MILITARY OCCUPATION? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
• 25:47 THE WHOLE THING IS A LIE AND THE LIE IS PUT FORWARD FOR ONE REASON.
• 25:51 THE PALESTINIANS ARE SEEKING TO CREATE A COMPARISON
• 25:56 BETWEEN THE ISRAELI PRESENCE IN THE WEST BANK, IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA
• 26:00 AND THE GERMAN OCCUPATION IN EUROPE.
• 26:04 THAT'S THE SUGGESTION THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE TO EUROPEAN AUDIENCES
• 26:08 WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING SUCH A RISE OF EUROPEAN ANTI-SEMITISM.
• 26:12 THIS ARGUMENT USUALLY FALLS FLAT ON ITS FACE TO AMERICAN LISTENERS.
• 26:15 BUT IN EUROPE, IT HAS RESONANCE. THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
• 26:18 WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM DORE GOLD IN OUR NEXT PROGRAM.
• 26:24 OBVIOUSLY, AS HE SAYS, EUROPEAN SENTIMENTS TOWARD ISRAEL ARE DOWNRIGHT HOSTILE,
• 26:29 BUT I WONDER IF THEY ARE REALLY EUROPEAN.
• 26:31 TO TELL THE TRUTH, I THINK FRANCE, GERMANY, ENGLAND ARE JUST ABOUT LOST TO THE MUSLIMS.
• 26:35 YOU MIGHT AS WELL CALL THEM MUSLIM NATIONS.
• 26:37 ALL THIS ANTI-SEMITISM ORIGINATES WITH ARABS AND THE PEOPLE IN EUROPE,
• 26:42 IT DEFIES COMMON SENSE THAT THE PLACE WHERE THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED
• 26:46 A GENERATION OR SO LATER, THEY'RE AGAIN ANTI-SEMITIC AND WANTING TO KILL THE JEWS.
• 26:53 IT'S NOT BELIEVABLE.
• 26:55 IT'S JUST THAT THE MUSLIM TAKEOVER HAS PROGRESSED TO THAT POINT.
• 26:59 SCRIPTURE SAYS, THEY HAVE SAID, COME AND LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION
• 27:03 THAT THE NAME OF ISRAEL WILL BE NO MORE IN REMEMBRANCE.
• 27:08 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.