Caption transcript for “From Time Immemorial” with Joan Peters, Part 1

• 00:09 BRETHREN, MY HEART'S DESIRE AND PRAYER TO GOD FOR ISRAEL IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
• 00:15 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GENTILE.
• 00:18 FOR THE SAME LORD OVERALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM.
• 00:24 ZOLA LEVITT PRESENTS
• 00:28 CONSIDERING THE TIMES AND SEASONS OF OUR WORLD TODAY, HERE'S ZOLA LEVITT.
• 00:35 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:37 WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE LATELY IN ATTRACTING SOME MAJOR SPOKESMEN ON THE MIDDLE EAST
• 00:41 AND WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE TONIGHT.
• 00:44 JOAN PETERS WROTE THE BOOK, "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL".
• 00:47 THIS IS A TEXTBOOK USED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN ISRAEL.
• 00:52 IT'S A VOLUMINOUS COPY ON THE ORIGINS OF THE ARAB - JEWISH CONFLICT OVER PALESTINE,
• 00:58 AS SHE SAYS ON THE COVER.
• 01:00 SHE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE ADVISOR ON AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY IN THE MIDDLE EAST
• 01:04 DURING THE CARTER ADMINISTRATION
• 01:05 SHE'S LECTURED AT THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT
• 01:07 AND AT FOREIGN POLICY INSTITUTIONS IN THE U.S. AND ABROAD.
• 01:12 SHE'S BEEN ON 200 RADIO AND TELEVISION DISCUSSION SHOWS.
• 01:15 SHE'S CONDUCTED FACT FINDING MISSIONS TO ISRAEL, SYRIA, EGYPT, ETC.,
• 01:20 CBS NEWS DOCUMENTARIES, I COULD GO ON AND ON,
• 01:23 CONTRIBUTED TO HARPER'S COMMENTARY, NEW REPUBLIC, NEW LEADER.
• 01:26 SHE'S A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE ON AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY BASED IN NEW YORK.
• 01:32 WE SAT HER DOWN AND ASKED HER HER REASON FOR WRITING "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL".
• 01:37 I HAD NO INTENTION OF WRITING THIS BOOK.
• 01:38 REALLY?
• 01:39 NO, NONE WHATEVER.
• 01:41 I WAS ASKED BY DOUBLEDAY AS A RESULT OF AN ARTICLE I DID IN HARPER'S MAGAZINE
• 01:48 TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THE ARAB REFUGEES AND THE ARAB-JEWISH CONFLICT.
• 01:54 YES.
• 01:56 AND AT THAT TIME THEY WERE CALLED ARAB REFUGEES.
• 01:58 YES.
• 01:59 THEY WEREN'T CALLED PALESTINIANS.
• 02:04 THE ONLY PALESTINIANS WERE JEWS.
• 02:07 YEAH, I SHOULD CLARIFY FOR OUR AUDIENCE, WHEN YOU SAY PALESTINIAN
• 02:10 YOU USE THE TERM CORRECTLY FROM THAT TIME, 1948-1970, OR SO.
• 02:16 BUT, WHEN YOU SAY PALESTINIANS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JEWISH PEOPLE.
• 02:19 AND WAY BEFORE.
• 02:20 AND WAY BEFORE.
• 02:22 ALWAYS, ALWAYS, IN THE 10TH CENTURY THERE WAS A SYNAGOGUE OF THE PALESTINIANS IN CAIRO
• 02:27 THAT USED TO SEND AROUND THE WORLD FOR COLLECTIONS TO BE SENT TO JERUSALEM
• 02:34 FOR JEWS WHO WERE KEEPING THE PATRIARCHATE THERE.
• 02:38 EVEN THOUGH THEY LOST THEIR POLITICAL HOMELAND,
• 02:41 THEY WERE STILL MAINTAINING THE RELIGIOUS PATRIARCHATE OF JERUSALEM.
• 02:46 YEAH, AND I REMEMBER SOMEBODY SAYING THE ARABS RESISTED THE TERM PALESTINIANS AT FIRST.
• 02:51 THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IT UP TO 1948, THEY SAID, "DON'T CALL US PALESTINIANS".
• 02:55 NO, AFTER '48.
• 02:56 WELL, AFTER.
• 02:57 WAY, WAY AFTER.
• 02:59 BUT, THEY HATED THE TERM BECAUSE IT WAS THE JEWS THAT WERE THE PALESTINIANS.
• 03:00 EXACTLY.
• 03:02 THE JERUSALEM POST WAS CALLED THE PALESTINE POST.
• 03:03 EXACTLY.
• 03:05 THEY WANTED TO BE CALLED SOUTHERN SYRIANS, OR OTTOMANS, OR ARABS,
• 03:11 OR THE GREATER ARAB NATION, ANYTHING BUT PALESTINIANS.
• 03:16 AND THEN, THEY BEGAN TO REALIZE THEY COULDN'T GET THE ISRAELIS OUT OF THEIR LAND
• 03:23 BY MILITARY MEANS, SO, THEY BEGAN TO INCORPORATE THIS ROBBERY OF A PERSONA.
• 03:31 YES. WHEN THE U.N. DIVIDED UP, WELL, THEY MADE A JEWISH HOMELAND, ANYWAY.
• 03:36 IT REALLY STARTED OUT TO INCLUDE WHAT WE NOW CALL JORDAN. ISN'T THAT SO?
• 03:40 EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING FROM THE HEJAZ, WHICH IS THE ARABIAN PENINSULA TO THE MEDITERRANEAN,
• 03:49 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.
• 03:52 THEN, THEY LOPPED OFF PART OF IT AND THAT WAS CALLED THE KINGDOM OF JORDAN.
• 03:58 YEAH.
• 03:59 IN FACT, THE ARAB-PALESTINIAN STATE OF JORDAN
• 04:03 BECAME A PALESTINIAN STATE OF JORDAN ONLY IN 1946,
• 04:09 ONLY 2 YEARS BEFORE THE JEWISH-PALESTINIAN STATE OF ISRAEL
• 04:12 CAME TO BE INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED IN 1948.
• 04:17 YEAH. AND YOU WENT OVER HERE.
• 04:19 YOUR ORIGINAL PURPOSE WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE BOOK CAME OUT.
• 04:23 AS I DID THE RESEARCH I FOUND OUT, ZOLA,
• 04:26 THAT THERE WAS NO TRUTH TO ALL OF THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT STATE DEPARTMENT HANDOUTS WERE GIVING ME.
• 04:34 I FOUND THAT THE TEXTBOOKS THAT I'D BEEN READING WERE MISSING ALL THE INFORMATION I WAS GETTING.
• 04:40 I HAD A FILE THAT WAS SO VOLUMINOUS OF "NOTS", I MEAN "NOT'S".
• 04:51 YES. THINGS THAT WEREN'T TRUE.
• 04:53 THINGS THAT WEREN'T TRUE, THAT THE WHOLE FABRIC OF THE OUTLINE I'D GIVEN TO DOUBLEDAY
• 04:58 UNRAVELED AND I HAD TO GIVE BACK THE-- I CALLED THEM AND I SAID,
• 05:03 YOU KNOW, I REALLY HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT EVERYTHING I THOUGHT I KNEW, I DIDN'T KNOW.
• 05:08 FOR EXAMPLE, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE JEWISH REFUGEES
• 05:10 THAT WERE NUMBERING MORE THAN THE ARAB REFUGEES WHO SUPPOSEDLY LEFT ISRAEL.
• 05:15 SHE SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN "SUPPOSEDLY".
• 05:17 I SAID, WELL, WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF A REFUGEE FOR ARABS ONLY
• 05:23 SO THAT IF ONLY 2 YEARS HAD BEEN SPENT IN ISRAEL BEFORE THE STATE WAS DECLARED
• 05:31 INTERNATIONALLY BY THE UNITED NATIONS,
• 05:36 WHY WOULD THEY SAY THAT THEY ONLY HAD TO BE THERE 2 YEARS
• 05:39 IN ORDER TO HAVE STATUS AS A REFUGEE AND GET THE RATIONS AND THE BENEFITS OF A REFUGEE?
• 05:45 ALL OVER THE WORLD, ALL REFUGEES HAD BEEN RESETTLED REHABILITATED AFTER THE GREAT WARS.
• 05:52 THEY HAVE NEVER HAD THEIR DEFINITION CHANGED.
• 05:56 THEY WERE LONG LIVED RESIDENTS WHO HAD BEEN FORCED TO FLEE FOR THEIR LIVES,
• 06:01 WHO HAD NO FUNDS OF ANY KIND, ALTHOUGH THEY HAD HAD IT CONFISCATED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
• 06:09 OF COURSE, ALL THOSE THINGS APPLIED IN OTHER SITUATIONS.
• 06:13 IN THE ARAB SITUATION, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING.
• 06:17 THE ARABS HAD ARRIVED TO GET THE BENEFITS OF THE JEWISH SETTLEMENTS.
• 06:22 THE ARABS HAD ARRIVED TO GET THE BETTER HEALTH CONDITIONS THAT WERE OPERATIVE
• 06:28 IN ALL OF THE AREAS OF EMPLOYMENT UNDER THE JEWISH INDUSTRY.
• 06:34 THE JEWISH INDUSTRY WAS A FLEDGLING INDUSTRY AT THAT TIME.
• 06:38 IT WAS OPERATING WITH A WAR DEFICIT OF 5 COUNTRIES ATTACKING IT IN 1948.
• 06:46 ARAB COUNTRIES WHO WANTED IT TO BE THROWN INTO THE SEA.
• 06:51 OF COURSE, WHEN I WENT TO INVESTIGATE ARAB REFUGEES,
• 06:54 I THOUGHT THEY WERE BEING TREATED LIKE THE AMERICAN BLACKS.
• 06:58 I HAD BEEN A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST
• 07:00 AND I FELT THAT THE ARABS WERE BEING TREATED IN THE SAME WAY
• 07:05 AND I WAS REALLY IDENTIFYING THE ARABS, THESE ARAB "REFUGEES", WITH THE BLACK AFRICAN,
• 07:17 THE AMERICAN BLACK AFRICANS, WHAT WE CALL NATIVE AMERICAN AFRICANS.
• 07:23 WE HAD SO MUCH MISCONCEPTION POURED INTO US BY THE NEWSPAPERS,
• 07:32 BY THE TEXTBOOKS, BY THE RADIO, BY THE TELEVISION NEWS,
• 07:37 BY EVEN THE GREATEST EXPERTS WE HAD, BECAUSE I HADN'T FOUND THE EXPERTS I USE IN MY BOOK.
• 07:43 I TOLD ALL THIS TO DOUBLEDAY'S EDITOR AND SHE SAID, WAIT A MINUTE.
• 07:48 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MANY YEARS OF RESEARCH.
• 07:50 I CAN'T HOLD OUT THAT KIND OF TIME FOR THIS BOOK.
• 07:55 I SAID I'LL SEND BACK YOUR ADVANCE. I CAN'T DO THIS BOOK.
• 08:00 I'M GOING TO DO IT IF I CAN GET THE STRENGTH AND I WILL COME TO YOU WHEN IT'S FINISHED
• 08:11 AND IF YOU STILL WANT IT, OR IF YOU DO WANT IT,
• 08:14 IT'S GOING TO HAVE A "NOT" IN FRONT OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN MY OUTLINE.
• 08:18 GOSH. OKAY, SO TO RECAP, YOU CONTRACTED WITH DOUBLEDAY TO WRITE A BOOK,
• 08:23 BASICALLY ABOUT MISTREATMENT OF THE ARABS AND THEIR PRIVATION
• 08:27 THAT THEY WERE IN STRAIGHTS LIKE BLACKS IN AMERICA AT THE TIME
• 08:32 AND SO ON AND ENDED UP FINDING OUT NOT, NOT, NOT.
• 08:36 THE THINGS WEREN'T TRUE. THE ARABS WEREN'T MISTREATED.
• 08:38 THEY WEREN'T REFUGEES, REALLY.
• 08:41 THEY, THEY-- WAS NOT THEIR LAND.
• 08:44 IS THAT WHAT YOU FOUND OUT?
• 08:45 WHAT I FOUND OUT IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN MISTREATED BY THE ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 08:50 THEY HAVE BEEN VICTIMS OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 08:53 OF THEIR OWN LEADERSHIP.
• 08:55 THEY HAVE-- OF THEIR LEADERSHIP AND OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES THAT HAVE MADE THEM INTO,
• 08:59 WELL, YOU KNOW, I USE THE TERM IN WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A VIRTUAL,
• 09:04 NOT A LITERAL WAY IN MY BOOK WHEN I WROTE IT, I SAID THAT THE ARAB-PALESTINIAN REFUGEES
• 09:12 HAVE BECOME A HUMAN BOMB IN THE WAR AGAINST ISRAEL.
• 09:17 BUT, IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME IN MY WILDEST NIGHTMARES
• 09:21 THAT I WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT A LITERAL- HUMAN BABY BOMB. NEVER IN MY WILDEST NIGHTMARES.
• 09:28 NO, I WOULDN'T THINK.
• 09:29 AND HERE IT'S BECOME A HUMAN BOMB IN THE LITERAL SENSE.
• 09:35 IT'S HORRIFYING BEYOND-- IT'S MONSTROUS.
• 09:39 AND YET, IT COMES DOWN TO US NOW AS SOME,
• 09:41 THE ARABS SAYING THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE OCCUPYING OUR LAND.
• 09:47 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
• 09:49 THEY'VE TURNED THE COMPLETE HISTORY ON IT'S HEAD.
• 09:52 THEY HAVE, IN FACT, ROBBED THE JEWS OF THEIR OWN PERSONA.
• 09:59 THEY HAVE LITERALLY TAKEN WORD FOR WORD THE DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED
• 10:06 IN PRE-ISRAEL PALESTINE AND THEY HAVE SIMPLY SUBSTITUTED THE TERM ARAB FOR THE TERM JEWISH.
• 10:15 WHEN YOU HEAR IT AND YOU KNOW BETTER, IT'S MIND BLOWING.
• 10:19 I'LL BET IT IS.
• 10:21 IT'S A SCAM.
• 10:23 IT'S A BOGUS CLAIM THAT SOME HOW HAS GOTTEN THE ROMANTIC NOTIONS OF THE WORLD AGAINST ALL LOGIC.
• 10:32 WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS THAT THEY SHOULD COMMAND SO MUCH IMPORTANCE
• 10:37 THAT THE LIFE AND DEATH OF THE WORLD'S PEACE MIGHT DEPEND ON IT?
• 10:42 IT IS A SCAM AND IT MUST BE EXPOSED.
• 10:45 AND, YET, I WAS TELLING YOU BEFORE WE SAT DOWN
• 10:49 THAT AMERICAN AIRLINES ADDRESSED A FREQUENT FLYER STATEMENT TO A FRIEND OF MINE IN JERUSALEM
• 10:54 AND SAID, "JERUSALEM, HELD TERRITORIES" H.E.L.D. TERRITORIES.
• 10:59 GOOD HEAVENS.
• 11:00 A PRIVATE BUSINESS HAS BOUGHT THE STORY.
• 11:03 IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
• 11:05 YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
• 11:08 YOU WERE IN THE CARTER ADMINISTRATION.
• 11:09 WELL, I WAS LECTURING, YES.
• 11:10 I LECTURED IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT WHEN MY BOOK CAME OUT.
• 11:13 THEY INVITED ME TO LECTURE ALL OVER THE WORLD, WHERE EVER,
• 11:16 WHAT EVER COUNTRY I WAS IN AND GO TO THE EMBASSIES AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE.
• 11:19 I DID. I DID TALK TO STATE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL.
• 11:26 WHAT CAME OUT, VERY LOUD AND CLEAR WAS THAT SOME OF THEM UNDERSTOOD VERY WELL
• 11:32 THAT THE UNITED STATES HAD TO STOP PAYING THE MILLIONS, 10'S OF MILLIONS,
• 11:38 I THINK IT'S EVEN BILLIONS NOW, IN MONEY TO THE REFUGEE CAMPS
• 11:43 THAT ARE KEEPING THESE PEOPLE HUMAN BOMBS.
• 11:46 THEY OUGHT TO TAKE THAT SAME MONEY AND DO A LITTLE BIT LIKE WHAT JACK KEMP,
• 11:53 WHO WAS OUR CONGRESSMAN IN RECENT YEARS,
• 11:59 HE SAID THEY OUGHT TO HAVE A MARSHALL PLAN.
• 12:01 THEY OUGHT TO IMMEDIATELY SET ABOUT PUTTING ALL KINDS OF MONEY INTO THE EAST BANK OF JORDAN.
• 12:10 THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER PROPOSALS TO HAVE THE LAND OF SAUDI ARABIA GIVEN OVER,
• 12:16 A PORTION OF IT, WHICH WOULD BE VERY CLOSE TO THE ARAB-MUSLIMS,
• 12:20 GIVE A PORTION OF THAT LAND TO THE PALESTINIAN-ARABS,
• 12:23 BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND FOR A COUNTRY.
• 12:25 IT CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE SENSE, WOULDN'T IT?
• 12:27 THEY SPEAK THE LANGUAGE. THEY WORSHIP THE GOD.
• 12:29 THEY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IN SAUDI ARABIA.
• 12:32 WELL, ANYWAY, THE STATE DEPARTMENT WAS VERY MIXED.
• 12:36 MOST OF THEM STOOD UP AND WALKED OUT WHEN I WAS SPEAKING.
• 12:40 THE ONES WHO STAYED TO THE END AND THEY STOOD ON THEIR FEET AND APPLAUDED
• 12:45 AND THEN CAME OVER AND SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP.
• 12:48 OF COURSE, NOTHING WAS DONE. BUT, I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
• 12:52 THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS ALWAYS HAD ITS OWN AXIS AGAINST ISRAEL.
• 12:58 YES, IT REALLY DOES, DOESN'T IT?
• 13:00 PRESIDENT CARTER, WHO WE MENTIONED, YOU WORKED IN HIS ADMINISTRATION,
• 13:05 HAS RECENTLY PRONOUNCED, ALONG WITH PRESIDENT BUSH, TO CREATE A PALESTINIAN NATION,
• 13:10 THAT THAT'S THE SOLUTION TO THIS PEACE PROCESS.
• 13:14 WELL, THEY WANT-- IF THEY WANT TO CREATE A SECOND PALESTINIAN STATE,
• 13:18 THEN THEY CAN LOOK TO SAUDI ARABIA, OR IF IRAQ WAS LEADERLESS
• 13:26 AND THEY FOUND A NEW LEADER WHO COULD CREATE A DEMOCRACY,
• 13:29 THEY COULD CERTAINLY APPORTION A PART OF THAT STATE OF IRAQ
• 13:32 TO SOME KURDS AND TO ARAB-PALESTINIANS.
• 13:37 OKAY, NOW WHEN YOU SAY A SECOND PALESTINIAN STATE,
• 13:38 YOU'RE REFERRING TO JORDAN AS THE FIRST PALESTINIAN STATE.
• 13:41 WELL, IT IS.
• 13:42 NOT TO ISRAEL.
• 13:43 I'M REFERRING TO JORDAN.
• 13:45 RIGHT, OF COURSE.
• 13:47 THAT IS EASY TO MIX UP. BUT, OF COURSE, NOT TO ANYONE BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE HEARD--
• 13:53 I'M SO INURED TO THE PROPAGANDA THAT I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT JORDAN.
• 13:59 BUT, WHAT YOU SAY IS SO TRUE. YOU HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
• 14:04 YEAH. THEY HAVE ALMOST ESTABLISHED-- WELL, EVEN--
• 14:07 I'VE GONE TO ISRAEL FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND TAKEN TOURS.
• 14:11 I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITUATION, BUT EVEN WHEN I FIRST STARTED OUT I THOUGHT,
• 14:14 WELL, THIS WAS AN ARAB LAND HERE.
• 14:17 THE JEWS DID, OF COURSE, LIVE HERE IN BIBLE DAYS AND THEIR ARTIFACTS ARE THERE.
• 14:21 THERE'S NO QUESTION OF THAT, BUT THEN THEY WERE DISPERSED,
• 14:24 AFTER ALL, AND THEN THE WORLD FELT AFTER THE HOLOCAUST AND SO ON,
• 14:29 THEY DESERVE SOME TERRITORY AND WHAT BETTER TERRITORY THAN THE ONE THEY WERE IN,
• 14:32 BUT IT DID DISPLACE ALL THESE POOR ARABS AND SO ON.
• 14:35 AND I BOUGHT THE STORY HOOK, LINE AND SINKER.
• 14:38 LIKE YOU, I WAS BROUGHT UP SHORT.
• 14:41 I HAD A REVELATION THAT THIS IS NOT ARAB LAND.
• 14:45 IT REALLY WAS NEVER. THE JEWS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
• 14:48 THERE WAS NEVER PALESTINIAN LAND.
• 14:50 THERE WAS NEVER A COUNTRY OF PALESTINE.
• 14:52 NO, NO.
• 14:53 THERE NEVER HAS BEEN ANY LAND CALLED PALESTINIAN LAND.
• 14:56 IT SIMPLY DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL OSLO WHEN ISRAEL GAVE THEM SOME LAND IN RETURN FOR PEACE.
• 15:04 BECAUSE THEY WANTED PEACE SO DESPERATELY THAT EVEN THAT TINY LITTLE PATCH OF LAND THEY HAD
• 15:09 THEY WERE WILLING TO SHARE EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS A BOGUS CLAIM,
• 15:13 BECAUSE THEY WANTED SO BADLY TO HAVE PEACE.
• 15:16 AND WHAT DID THEY DO?
• 15:18 THEY, IT EXPLODED IN THE FACES OF EVERYBODY.
• 15:22 YES, AND THE U.N. AND EUROPE, THE MEDIA, I COULD JUST GO ON AND ON, THEY BUY THE STORY.
• 15:28 THEY'RE INTO THE SAME STORY.
• 15:31 WELL, THE KINGDOM OF JORDAN WAS A FACT THAT KING ABDULA,
• 15:35 ACTUALLY KING ABDULA LABELED THAT LAND, KINGDOM OF PALESTINE.
• 15:41 HE SAID, WE WILL CALL OUR LAND THE KINGDOM OF PALESTINE.
• 15:45 AND HE WAS ASSASSINATED.
• 15:47 THE NAME DIDN'T STICK, DID IT?
• 15:49 AND WHEN THE ARAB-PALESTINIANS, IN 1970, WHO WERE NEWLY CALLED ARAB-PALESTINIANS,
• 15:57 TRIED TO TAKE OVER JORDAN, 10,000 OF THEM WERE SLAUGHTERED
• 16:02 WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE ISRAEL WAS TRYING TO BE A GOOD GUY AND BE LOVED.
• 16:09 AND THEY WANTED TO HELP JORDAN.
• 16:12 BUT, WHAT THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IS THAT NOBODY'S EVER GOING TO LOVE ISRAEL.
• 16:16 ISRAEL IS GOING TO HAVE TO STAY STRONG UNTIL ISLAM REFORMS.
• 16:21 THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.
• 16:22 [CROWD CHANTING]
• 16:35 ASK FOR OUR FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER,
• 16:39 AND OUR CATALOG WITH VIDEOS, BOOKS AND MUSIC.
• 16:43 OUR CORRESPONDENCE COURSE, THE INSTITUTE OF JEWISH-CHRISTIAN STUDIES INCLUDES:
• 16:47 READING PACKET, TEACHING CASSETTES AND MAIL-IN TESTS.
• 16:52 DID YOU KNOW THAT ZOLA TAKES TOURS TO ISRAEL, GREECE
• 16:55 AND THE HOLY LAND EXPERIENCE THEME PARK IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA?
• 16:58 PLEASE, CONTACT US FOR MORE INFORMATION.
• 17:04 THE ISRAEL WE SEE ON OUR TOURS IS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN THE ISRAEL YOU SEE ON CNN,
• 17:10 THAT'S FOR SURE, AND THE REST OF THE MEDIA.
• 17:13 I WENT ON WITH JOAN PETERS.
• 17:16 SHE IS SUCH A BRILLIANT SPOKESMAN.
• 17:19 I HAVE-- I'M DEVELOPING A TASTE IN WHO SAYS WHAT HERE
• 17:23 AFTER JOSEPH FARAH AND CAL THOMAS AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
• 17:28 SHE CAN HOLD HER OWN WITH ALL OF THEM, A WONDERFUL AUTHOR AND A WONDERFUL SPEAKER.
• 17:35 JOAN, YOU KNOW, THE ONE ARAB LEADER ALWAYS CREDITED WITH SUCCESSFUL PEACE PROCESS WAS ANWAR SADAT.
• 17:42 I UNDERSTAND YOU MET HIM.
• 17:44 OH, YES. WE WERE FRIENDS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
• 17:48 BECAUSE THE FIRST ARTICLE I WROTE ON MY FIRST JOURNEY THERE TO DO AN ARTICLE
• 17:55 ENDED UP BEING A SERIES OF ARTICLES.
• 17:57 AT THAT TIME, IT WAS RIGHT AFTER THE 1973 YOM KIPPUR WAR.
• 18:04 THE EGYPTIANS AND THE SYRIANS HAD ATTACKED ISRAEL ON YOM KIPPUR, THEIR HOLIEST HOLIDAY.
• 18:13 A FEW DAYS AFTER THE ATTACK, THERE WAS ALREADY A GROUP OF PRESS
• 18:21 WHO WERE SAYING THAT EGYPT WAS FIGHTING FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE,
• 18:28 WHICH SEEMED TO ME SOMEHOW TO BE AN OXY-MORON.
• 18:31 YEAH.
• 18:33 EITHER YOU'RE FIGHTING OR YOU'RE NOT FIGHTING.
• 18:35 BUT HE WAS IN THIS WONDERFUL, BENEVOLENT, OFFICIOUS KIND OF, ALMOST, IT WAS ALMOST UNCTUOUS,
• 18:45 WAY HE SAID, "WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE."
• 18:50 THEY CLAIMED THAT THEY EVEN SAW JEWISH TEXT BOOKS IN THE WINDOWS OF A BOOKSTORE IN CAIRO.
• 18:57 BY THIS TIME I'D ALREADY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE JEWISH REFUGEES WHO HAD HAD TO FLEE FROM EGYPT.
• 19:02 I FOUND OUT THAT THERE WERE 950,000 SOME JEWISH REFUGEES.
• 19:07 ALMOST A MILLION PEOPLE.
• 19:08 ARAB, YES.
• 19:10 ARAB BORN JEWS WHOSE FAMILIES HAD BEEN THERE FOR, SOME OF THEM,
• 19:14 LITERALLY FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL.
• 19:16 YES.
• 19:18 THEY HAD "FLOWN THE COOP" BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING THREATENED FOR THEIR VERY LIVES.
• 19:22 THE ARABS WERE STEALING THEIR PROPERTY SO THEY FLED OR WERE KILLED
• 19:28 AFTER A HISTORY THAT HAD BEEN MARKED BY PERSECUTION AND 2ND CLASS CITIZENSHIP AT BEST.
• 19:37 BACK TO SADAT.
• 19:39 SADAT WAS A VERY BRILLIANT MAN.
• 19:44 HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT A LOT OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT PEOPLE DIDN'T;
• 19:51 THAT YOU HAD TO DECEIVE, BUT WHEN THE TIME CAME,
• 19:56 IF YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED, YOU HAD TO PRODUCE THE GOODS. AND HE DID THAT.
• 20:01 LOOK, THIS PEACE PROCESS SEEMS TO TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER EVERYTHING ELSE
• 20:05 TO WHERE WE'RE BOWING DOWN TO OUR VERY ENEMIES LIKE YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
• 20:11 FLATTERING, I MEAN, THE PRESIDENT HAS A SAUDI PRINCE AT HIS RANCH.
• 20:15 THE F.B.I. DIRECTOR GOES TO LUNCH WITH VIRTUALLY THE ENEMY.
• 20:20 I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT. WHAT IS GOING ON?
• 20:23 I MEAN, YOU'RE AN AMERICAN. HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THAT?
• 20:28 WELL, I WISH I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
• 20:32 I AM AFRAID IT TAKES A PSYCHIATRIST TO ANSWER IT.
• 20:37 I DON'T KNOW WHY, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE LOST OUR BACKBONE.
• 20:43 I THINK THERE IS A KIND OF MINDSET THAT IS ALMOST VISCERAL THAT HAS TO BE BROKEN,
• 20:49 WHICH IS THE ARABS ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS COUNTRY.
• 20:52 WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THIS COUNTRY IS THAT THE ARABS NOT BE IMPORTANT TO THIS COUNTRY.
• 20:57 THE ARAB-MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN UP TO NO GOOD.
• 21:01 THEY HAVE BEEN DESTROYING THEIR OWN PEOPLE IN CAMPS.
• 21:04 THEY'VE BEEN DESTROYING ISRAEL'S FIBER AND MORALE BY THE VERY FACT THAT THEY INSIST ON,
• 21:10 AS THEY PUT IT, KEEPING THE ARABS IN CAMPS
• 21:14 SO THAT THEY KEEP THEIR HATRED ALIVE AGAINST ISRAEL.
• 21:18 THEIR TEXT BOOKS ARE PRINTED WITH VIRULENT ANTI-SEMITISM.
• 21:23 AND THE CHILDREN WHO GROW UP TODAY AS YOU SEE ON TELEVISION,
• 21:28 THE ARAB CHILDREN SPEAK OF JEWS AS VERMIN.
• 21:33 THEY CALL JEWS AWFUL NAMES AND THEY SAY IT ON AMERICAN NEWS BROADCAST WHEN THEY SHOW CLIPPINGS.
• 21:43 WE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO DO A TURNAROUND.
• 21:46 WE STARTED THE TURNAROUND HERE.
• 21:48 THE PRESIDENT REALLY TRIED TO START THE TURNAROUND.
• 21:53 THE THING THAT WORRIES ME IS THAT HE'S VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO PUBLIC OPINION.
• 21:58 AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT HOW EASILY PUBLIC OPINION CAN BE-- IS FICKLE AND CAN BE CHANGED
• 22:05 AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO HAVE YOUR SHOW
• 22:11 TO BE OUT THERE AS YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE BOGUS CLAIM THAT EXISTS,
• 22:17 BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY ISRAEL THAT STANDS TO BE DESTROYED.
• 22:21 ISRAEL IS A SEGMENT OF THE WORLD POPULATION THAT THE MUSLIM WORLD WANTS TO DESTROY.
• 22:29 WHEN I WAS IN GAZA, I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE TOP MUSLIM LEADERS THERE.
• 22:34 HE SAID THERE WERE NO LEGAL BORDERS FROM THE MEDITERRANEAN TO THE ATLANTIC,
• 22:38 THAT ALL BORDERS WERE ILLEGAL.
• 22:40 I SAID, WHAT ABOUT THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES OF EGYPT AND SYRIA?
• 22:44 HE SAID, "THEY'RE NOT MUSLIM COUNTRIES."
• 22:46 THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY THAT THE WEST HAS.
• 22:49 THEY HAVE MANY ELEMENTS OF THEMSELVES WHICH ARE WESTERNIZED.
• 22:54 THEY ARE THE GREAT SATAN. THEY MUST BE DE-SATANIZED.
• 22:59 BUT, HE SAID THIS IN A VERY QUIET, ENGLISH VOICE.
• 23:06 HE WAS EDUCATED. IT WAS QUIET. IT WAS WELL MODULATED AND IT WAS DEADLY.
• 23:15 AND HE SAID THAT TO ME 10 YEARS AGO IN GAZA.
• 23:21 IT'S WHAT YOU CALL IN YOUR BOOK, TURN SPEAK; THIS PROPAGANDA.
• 23:25 IT'S TURNING EVERYTHING ON ITS HEAD.
• 23:27 IN OTHER WORDS HE SAYS, THEY'RE MODERN, THEY'RE UP TO DATE,
• 23:30 THEY'RE LIKE THE AMERICANS OR THE ISRAELIS, SO THEY'RE NO GOOD.
• 23:32 RIGHT.
• 23:33 BUT, THAT'S UPSIDE DOWN!
• 23:35 WELL, FIRST, THEY'RE NOT MODERN, THEY'RE NOT UP TO DATE.
• 23:37 NO, THEY'RE NOT.
• 23:38 OF COURSE.
• 23:39 HE ACCUSES THEM OF THIS AS IF IT IS A CRIME.
• 23:41 WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UNDER EXTREMIST MUSLIM CONTROL YET.
• 23:46 BUT, THEY'RE TAKING A LOT OF THEIR, AN AWFUL LOT OF THEIR DICTATES FROM THE MUSLIMS.
• 23:51 THEY ARE, THE EXTREMIST MUSLIMS, RUN THE SCHOOLS.
• 23:55 THE SAUDIS PAY FOR THE SCHOOLS. THE SCHOOLS ARE IN THE MOSQUES.
• 23:59 IF THEY DARE TO DEVIATE FROM THE CURRICULUM THAT THE SAUDIS,
• 24:03 THAT THE EXTREMIST SAUDI RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY WANTS TO DICTATE, THEY WILL BE DESTROYED.
• 24:12 THE SAUDIS HAVE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR THE MILITANCY AND DEADLY MONSTROSITY OF THE HUMAN BOMBERS
• 24:20 BUT THE SAUDIS ARE DESCRIBED AS OUR FRIENDS BY THE PRESIDENT.
• 24:23 THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE FATAL FLAW.
• 24:26 CALL THE PSYCHIATRIST.
• 24:28 THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE FATAL FLAW.
• 24:29 I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THAT.
• 24:31 I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL IN GOVERNMENT
• 24:35 WHO HAVE MADE A LOT OF MONEY THROUGH THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT
• 24:38 AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEPARATE OUT THE INTERESTS THAT ARE PRIVATE
• 24:46 AND THE INTERESTS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THIS NATION.
• 24:50 YEAH, WE QUOTED DANIEL PIPES, WHO IS QUITE A SPOKESMAN.
• 24:54 VERY ELOQUENT SPOKESMAN.
• 24:57 HE TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS AND HE SAID IN PLAIN WORDS,
• 25:04 THE SAUDIS ACTUALLY BRAG OUT LOUD ABOUT IT,
• 25:08 WE DEMONSTRATE TO OUR AMERICAN FRIENDS THAT WE CAN BE VERY GOOD FRIENDS, INDEED, ESPECIALLY
• 25:13 WHEN THEY LEAVE OFFICE, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO DEAL WITH THEM WHEN THEY ENTER OFFICE.
• 25:18 IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE DANGLE THE BRIBE OUT THERE, WE'LL GET THEM TO DO THINGS OUR WAY.
• 25:23 IS IT THAT BAD?
• 25:24 YES, YES. IT'S THAT BAD.
• 25:29 YOU KNOW, THE LORD DESCRIBED A TIME AS BAD AS WE HAVE NOW IN MATTHEW 24,
• 25:35 THE OLIVET DISCOURSE, WHERE HIS DISCIPLES ASKED HIM
• 25:38 WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING AND THE END OF THE WORLD.
• 25:41 HE SAID, ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS.
• 25:44 THAT WAS AFTER HE SAID YOU'LL HEAR OF WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS,
• 25:47 NATIONS RISE AGAINST NATIONS, FAMINES, PESTILENCE, EARTHQUAKES.
• 25:51 IT'S REALLY A TOUGH, REALLY A BAD TIME.
• 25:54 A TIME RATHER LIKE WE HAVE NOW AND THIS IS THE IDENTIFYING VERSE:
• 26:01 WHO'S "YOU"? WELL, HE'S TALKING TO ISRAELI JEWS, HIS DISCIPLES.
• 26:10 I THINK ISRAEL'S THE ONLY COUNTRY TO QUALIFY WITH BEING HATED OF ALL NATIONS.
• 26:14 EVEN THE NORTH KOREANS AND THE CHINESE AND THE IRAQIS HAVE FRIENDS.
• 26:17 ISRAEL HAS NO FRIENDS OTHER THAN THE FRIENDS IN WASHINGTON AND MANY TIMES I WONDER ABOUT THEM.
• 26:23 AND IT GOES ON ABOUT BETRAYALS AND INIQUITY AND SO ON.
• 26:28 IT'S VERY VERY REMINISCENT OF OUR AGE.
• 26:31 YOU KNOW, I COULD QUOTE JOHNNY CASH; MATTHEW 24 IS KNOCKING AT THE DOOR.
• 26:37 HE SANG THAT ONCE AND WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT.
• 26:40 WE'RE LIVING IN THE TIMES THAT THE LORD DESCRIBED, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AS THE END.
• 26:45 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.