Caption transcript for Kings and Kingdoms: “Israel’s First Kings” (1/8)

• 00:01 ♪♪♪
• 00:02 male announcer: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots,"
• 00:05 with insightful Bible teaching from Israel by Dr. Jeffery Seif.
• 00:08 This week, we begin our examination of the kings
• 00:11 of ancient Israel and Judah in our series "King and Kingdoms."
• 00:17 ♪♪♪
• 00:27 ♪♪♪
• 00:38 ♪♪♪
• 00:48 ♪♪♪
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• 01:07 David Hart: Thank you for joining us today,
• 01:08 my name is David Hart.
• 01:10 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
• 01:11 Jeffrey Seif: And I am Jeffrey Seif, and we are going to
• 01:14 climb into the bowels of biblical history and consider
• 01:19 key people and key moments in the Hebrew Bible.
• 01:23 Kirsten: Through the kings of Israel, the royalty.
• 01:26 David: Bad kings, right?
• 01:27 Jeffrey: Famous and infamous.
• 01:30 Tragically, they didn't fare all that well.
• 01:32 Kirsten: There's a lot of drama coming up in this series--
• 01:35 Jeffrey: This drama, there's trauma, and there's triumph too
• 01:39 when we figure the King of kings,
• 01:41 but will get to him later.
• 01:43 Kirsten: That's good.
• 01:44 David: Dr. Seif is on location at the Mount of Olives.
• 01:46 Let's go there now.
• 01:49 Jeffrey: This is a great place, and I've got great stories
• 01:54 to tell you from it.
• 01:56 It's a fascinating place.
• 01:59 The great land of Israel, the city of Jerusalem.
• 02:04 You can hear bells, I imagine I hear them behind me,
• 02:07 someone celebrating something.
• 02:09 There's good news, there's bad news,
• 02:12 there's all sorts of news here.
• 02:13 And today, we're going to explore it with biblical views.
• 02:18 I'm interested in the book of Kings.
• 02:23 Actually, an old Hebrew Bible, 1, 2, 3, and 4 Kings, from Saul
• 02:29 at the beginning all the way to the ending kings with the fall
• 02:34 of the northern and southern kingdom, and we're going
• 02:37 to explore that in this series, "Kings and Kingdoms."
• 02:41 Now, I'm interested in the principals, that
• 02:44 is the principal kings themselves, the principals.
• 02:47 I'm also interested in the principles, that is the values,
• 02:51 the virtues that they lived by or didn't live by.
• 02:55 It's a great story.
• 02:57 Some were on the rise, others on the demise.
• 03:00 We're going to consider that story.
• 03:03 Here I am on the Mount of Olives, I'm going to go up
• 03:05 the hill and talk to you about it a little more.
• 03:07 Stay with me.
• 03:11 The story of Israel's kings is rather complex.
• 03:14 It's my job to make it simple and to make it relevant to you,
• 03:19 and I'm glad to do it from here in Jerusalem.
• 03:24 Speaking of here, you'll see that I have
• 03:27 here some paraphernalia that goes with the story.
• 03:32 A crown, these were expensive, handmade, bejeweled.
• 03:36 A scepter, a symbol of authority.
• 03:40 These were expensive too.
• 03:42 These monarchs held these as--they would point
• 03:45 to a certain direction and what they said went.
• 03:49 "You, go. You, come."
• 03:51 They point, they move, and the world moves.
• 03:54 Similarly, there's robes they wore.
• 03:56 They were--they were decked out.
• 03:59 Of course, there's a tax base that pays for all of this
• 04:01 and more, and the prophets warned about that,
• 04:04 but the people insisted on it.
• 04:07 I mention this because when we look at the period of kings in
• 04:11 the Bible, it's precipitated by 330 some odd years of misery.
• 04:17 There's no centralized authority, all the tribes
• 04:21 were like states, but they weren't forged in a federation.
• 04:25 And they were weak, they were constantly
• 04:27 overcome by their enemies.
• 04:29 And I'm going to open up the Bible in a second and you're
• 04:31 going to see where people want a monarch, they want a king.
• 04:35 Mono was one, arche is a Greek word for rule,
• 04:40 they wanted a leader.
• 04:42 And we're going to see leadership's important.
• 04:45 It's also important for that principal leader to be tethered
• 04:50 to biblical principles, and that wasn't always the case.
• 04:54 When we look at the story of Israel's kings,
• 04:56 it starts off with Saul, Shaul.
• 04:59 But he wasn't bridled by biblical virtues.
• 05:02 He dissipates, he evaporates, we see his demise.
• 05:06 And against that backdrop, we have the rise of David,
• 05:10 who comes out of nowhere,
• 05:12 providentially a man after God's own heart.
• 05:15 And led by that disposition, we see that he enjoys
• 05:20 success in life against all odds.
• 05:23 We see, however, that he gets a little too attracted
• 05:26 to that which comes with his office, and he forgets
• 05:30 the one who gave it to him.
• 05:32 He starts living in an entitlement mode,
• 05:35 and that becomes his undoing.
• 05:38 Happily for him, however, when we look at David,
• 05:41 he turns, he repents, and that salvages him and his dynasty.
• 05:48 Solomon comes in short order in the biblical text,
• 05:52 and his emergence comes with a lot of fanfare
• 05:55 and success and good things.
• 05:58 But he just proves faithless and spends the better part
• 06:02 of his administration indulging in that which comes
• 06:05 with it, and this will be his undoing.
• 06:09 The net result, his son Rehoboam comes to power,
• 06:12 and with him comes a civil war, the north and the south.
• 06:16 There's a revolt.
• 06:18 The united monarchy ceases, it's what we call a divided monarchy
• 06:23 subsequent to Rehoboam, and the net result
• 06:26 is political intrigue, war, death, decay,
• 06:29 disorientation goes off the charts.
• 06:32 The northern kingdom that breaks away is going to have 19 kings,
• 06:36 it's going to have 200 years of history before it's destroyed,
• 06:39 and 9 dynasties.
• 06:41 Lots of intrigue, lots of despair, we want to look at
• 06:44 that and consider what happens when people turn away from God.
• 06:48 We want leadership that's godly, not just in our broader cultural
• 06:53 home, but in our individual homes as well.
• 06:56 We're going to see there's a correlation between success in
• 06:59 life and commitment to biblical vision and virtue,
• 07:02 doesn't matter who you are.
• 07:04 Kings can think they're above it all, but they're not,
• 07:07 and we see that.
• 07:09 We look at the story of the northern kingdom,
• 07:10 it spins into decay and de-care and disrepair,
• 07:14 and eventual dissolution.
• 07:16 The southern kingdom is not going to go through dynastic
• 07:19 changes as was the case with the north.
• 07:21 They're going to have 28 kings, but only eight of them are going
• 07:26 to prove themselves to be men after God's own heart.
• 07:31 The net result too is that the southern kingdom is going
• 07:35 to experience all kinds of decay and disorientation as well.
• 07:39 Well, rather than just talk about the Bible story, I want
• 07:43 to take a look at it, if you will, where it all begans--
• 07:46 where it all begins, excuse me.
• 07:48 Where it all began, past tense,
• 07:50 for the purpose of kings and kingdoms.
• 07:52 We're looking in the book that we call 1 Samuel.
• 07:57 The reason why I say that we call 1 Samuel is because
• 08:00 the ancient Hebrews called this 1 Kings, and what we call
• 08:04 2 Samuel 2 Kings, et cetera.
• 08:07 But any case, never mind that.
• 08:09 In chapter 8, verse 5, people are pressing
• 08:14 the prophet to anoint.
• 08:16 They want God's hand in the matter.
• 08:19 They want God's approval.
• 08:21 They want his anointing, but they want a singular king.
• 08:25 And they press him vociferously, they're pressing,
• 08:30 "Appoint for us a king to judge us."
• 08:36 Now, with that, they weren't just looking
• 08:38 for an administrator for their civil affairs.
• 08:42 True, they wanted that, but beyond that.
• 08:46 Well, I would imagine the reason why they appealed to that is
• 08:49 Samuel, the guy they were appealing to, was the judge,
• 08:52 but he was regional, not national.
• 08:55 And not wanting Samuel's sons as a replacement, they say,
• 08:58 "Give us a king to judge us."
• 09:00 But really they're looking for more than that, they're looking
• 09:03 for someone to bring them together in a federation and
• 09:07 give them good success by uniting their energies to stave
• 09:11 off the troubles of the day.
• 09:14 Used to be back in the day if the tribe of Issachar was
• 09:17 invaded, so was it--it was Issachar's problem.
• 09:19 But now if a singular tribe is invaded, the king sends forces
• 09:24 to bear from all the tribes.
• 09:26 The thinking is, and it makes a lot of sense, that they can have
• 09:29 good success because the king can marshal more energies in
• 09:32 order to have success.
• 09:34 And this is true in principle, but as we're going to see time
• 09:37 and time again in the biblical text, and I hope you see it when
• 09:41 you cast your vote for whatever you're voting for or for the way
• 09:44 you live your life, that there are things that can make sense
• 09:47 in a human sense, but as we're going to see, people need to be
• 09:52 tethered to biblical vision and virtue.
• 09:55 One thing that's clear in the biblical text is that when it
• 09:59 comes to kings, kingdoms, leaderships,
• 10:01 success in life, it's fidelity to biblical literature
• 10:05 that pays the dividends.
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• 10:15 Jeffrey: It's one thing to dress like a king,
• 10:19 it's another thing to actually be one.
• 10:22 And if you're going to be a king,
• 10:25 you have to have a kingdom.
• 10:28 The word "kingdom" itself is a conflation of two words,
• 10:31 the king's domain.
• 10:33 That is the area where the king rules.
• 10:38 If a king is going to rule from an area,
• 10:40 a king is it going to need a capital.
• 10:43 And no one knew that more than Israel's essentially first
• 10:49 and arguably greatest king.
• 10:52 Well, there was one before David and we'll get to that
• 10:54 in a moment, but David himself, when he came into his own,
• 10:58 he really felt that compulsion to go for capital city
• 11:03 in a place known today as Yerushalayim.
• 11:07 The city itself or the area itself, however,
• 11:10 was inhabited by the Yebusi, the Jebusites.
• 11:14 And here, this is an "Our Jewish Roots" exclusive,
• 11:18 we're taking you right to the place.
• 11:21 We're retrojecting back in time 3,000 years.
• 11:27 If these stones could talk, they would speak of the Jebusites
• 11:30 who built these as part of their fortifications.
• 11:34 We read in the biblical literature about the Jebusites,
• 11:37 and we learn how David stealthily got the better of
• 11:40 them and established his city and his capital not right here,
• 11:46 but up there in the city of David.
• 11:49 I love taking you to it, and I love taking you
• 11:52 to the Bible that tells the story of it.
• 11:54 And as we look at kings and kingdoms, indeed
• 11:57 that's a story that we need to tell.
• 12:04 Men are always clamoring for power, and there
• 12:08 is so much political intrigue associated with it
• 12:11 because people want to wear the crown.
• 12:16 I mention that because we see political intrigue in advance
• 12:20 of David's ascension to power.
• 12:23 There's political intrigue throughout his reign,
• 12:27 all kinds of tensions.
• 12:29 And then in David's waning years, there's political
• 12:33 intrigue associated with who's going to succeed him.
• 12:38 I'm going to open up the Bible in a little bit and speak to
• 12:41 that, but now just the issues associated with that.
• 12:45 In a series that deals with kings and kingdoms, even in
• 12:50 biblical literature, we see all kinds of machinations at work
• 12:56 yesterday much as we see them today as individuals are
• 13:00 jockeying to be the man of the hour with the power.
• 13:05 A difference in the biblical economy, however, is that
• 13:09 leaders were not elected, leaders were selected.
• 13:14 That is to say the story begins with God himself appointing,
• 13:19 anointing in fact.
• 13:22 We know in biblical literature the word "mashiach"
• 13:25 or messiah means anointed one.
• 13:27 It might as well mean appointed one because there's providence
• 13:32 at work with God picking a person.
• 13:34 Well, God picks the person with a net result
• 13:37 is they're given power.
• 13:39 Their keeping power and using it successful is predicated not
• 13:45 on the dint of their own determination, but to the
• 13:48 extent that they adhere to biblical principles.
• 13:53 I say that because as we go through this series and we're
• 13:58 really just beginning it now, as we go through a series looking
• 14:01 at kings and kingdoms, you are going to hear me alighting
• 14:06 upon issues associated with faithfulness to biblical vision,
• 14:11 virtue, and value.
• 14:13 That in and of itself, according to the biblical text,
• 14:16 lends itself toward the success of the kings and then
• 14:19 the success of the kingdoms.
• 14:22 I'm going to open up the Bible a minute and we're going to see
• 14:24 how that's played out, that is this jockeying for power
• 14:28 and what God does with it.
• 14:32 "The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself
• 14:35 will establish a house for you.
• 14:38 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors,
• 14:42 I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh
• 14:47 and blood, and I will establish his kingdom."
• 14:53 Coming here now from the very base of the Jebusite city
• 14:58 of old, and you can see it's the base 'cause
• 15:01 we're right down to bedrock now.
• 15:03 And you can see with the Yebusi,
• 15:05 the Jebusites placed rocks on top.
• 15:07 They're building up their city and their fortifications
• 15:10 all around, but we're right here at the bedrock.
• 15:13 To me, it's a good point to talk about building
• 15:16 a life on good bedrock.
• 15:18 Jesus talked about a good foundation that's built solidly,
• 15:22 and then it stands the test of time.
• 15:25 There's so much political intrigue with power, dynasties
• 15:28 come and go, and it's good to have a foundation to build upon.
• 15:32 And the Scriptures, it's just the best
• 15:34 foundation that I know of.
• 15:37 And we can see when we look at the life of David,
• 15:40 Saul himself was initially the king, but he got
• 15:43 too much into being the king.
• 15:45 He wanted to wear the robe and have the power,
• 15:47 but he didn't want to do that which went with the job.
• 15:50 He wound up losing the power and the job.
• 15:52 David, on the other hand, seemed to march to the tune
• 15:56 of a different drummer.
• 15:57 He, in fact, was a man after God's own heart.
• 16:00 And the Torah beckons individuals--
• 16:03 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 16:08 We're to love the Lord with all our hearts, soul, and might,
• 16:11 and that's a great foundation for a leader.
• 16:16 Unfortunately, when it comes to leadership,
• 16:19 there's all kinds of machinations and intrigue.
• 16:22 And sometimes there's pretense of obedience to the Lord,
• 16:26 but it doesn't work out in substance.
• 16:28 I note that because even in David's own life, when we open
• 16:32 up to 1 Kings in the first chapter, we're told that
• 16:36 Adonijah the Haggith exalted himself,
• 16:39 saying, "I will be king."
• 16:42 Now, this was David's fourth son.
• 16:46 Two were killed, we don't know what happened to the one between
• 16:49 them, but this fellow figured he--you know,
• 16:52 "I am the heir and I'm entitled to this."
• 16:55 You know, and David is waning with his faculties and
• 16:57 with his health, so he asserts himself.
• 17:00 What's going to happen is Bathsheba, his wife,
• 17:03 is going to inform him, "Time out, stop.
• 17:07 No, it's Solomon who's the one to succeed."
• 17:12 I mention this because when it comes to politics,
• 17:15 there's always political intrigue and jockeying.
• 17:18 I think it best to look for individuals who are endeavoring
• 17:25 to build on bedrock of good promise as opposed to scheming
• 17:29 and manipulating the way to get to the top with fancy words
• 17:34 and extension of their own ambition.
• 17:37 I don't mind ambition, but what would I look for in a leader,
• 17:40 and as we look at kings and kingdoms in the Bible, you're
• 17:43 going to see what the Bible looks for in leaders and holds
• 17:46 them accountable to, is whether or not they
• 17:49 build their own lives and kingdom on the bedrock
• 17:53 of biblical faith, vision, and virtue.
• 17:57 More on that as we continue in our series.
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• 19:22 Right now, let's go to Sarah Liberman, and she's going to
• 19:25 be teaching us this whole series "Words of Praise and Worship."
• 19:29 Today's word is praise.
• 19:31 ♪♪♪
• 19:37 Sarah Liberman: Shalom haverim.
• 19:39 Welcome to our new series of "Words of Worship in Hebrew."
• 19:43 I am so excited as a worship leader to bring these words to
• 19:46 you because I know that they will change your life.
• 19:50 You see, in English, we have about two words to describe
• 19:53 praise and worship, but in Hebrew, when you study what
• 19:57 the Word says, you will understand that there's so much
• 20:00 more of the expression of worship and praise,
• 20:03 and I know that it will transform your life.
• 20:06 Our first word today is the word "lehallel" which comes from
• 20:10 the root word "hallel," which means praise.
• 20:13 We have over 400 of these references In the Bible
• 20:17 in verses like, "Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised."
• 20:22 Or, "Let everything that has breath praise the Lord."
• 20:26 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 20:29 Now, the word "hallel" means to brag, or to boast,
• 20:34 or to be the greatest fan.
• 20:36 You know, like when people go to watch their favorite sports,
• 20:39 or group, or rock band, they're yelling out, they're shouting
• 20:44 out, they're boasting about the great accomplishments
• 20:47 of their idol.
• 20:50 This is the same attitude that we have in worshiping God.
• 20:54 It is to be the biggest and greatest fan of the Lord.
• 20:58 So, next time you're in a worship service,
• 21:00 I hope that you think about this.
• 21:03 And when you praise and you worship God, you exhort him and
• 21:08 you become the greatest fan that you can be of the Lord.
• 21:12 Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.
• 21:19 ♪ One of your own. ♪
• 21:24 ♪ Call him to meet us, ♪
• 21:29 ♪ establish his throne. ♪
• 21:34 ♪ I have chosen a shepherd ♪
• 21:40 ♪ after my heart. ♪
• 21:45 ♪ King of my people, ♪
• 21:51 ♪ my anointed one. ♪♪
• 21:56 ♪♪♪
• 22:02 David: We love having Marty with us, he will be with us
• 22:04 throughout this series.
• 22:06 Kirsten: Marty has been a friend of this ministry
• 22:08 for many years, and so has Avi Lipkin.
• 22:11 And recently, Jeff sat down with Avi to speak
• 22:14 about the kings of Israel.
• 22:16 Let's go to that conversation now.
• 22:20 Jeffrey: Avi, so good to be with you.
• 22:22 Avi Lipkin: Great to be back with you again.
• 22:23 Jeffrey: We're kind of tethering into a program here that's
• 22:25 looking, among other things, at Saul and David,
• 22:28 political struggle, the right kind of person,
• 22:31 the right kind of ideas to emerge.
• 22:33 What do you think about all of that?
• 22:35 Avi: Well, we are looking at different stages
• 22:38 in the history of Israel.
• 22:40 As you know, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were a family.
• 22:42 We went to Egypt, we came out a people.
• 22:46 We came to the land of Israel and we were tribes,
• 22:49 and we had judges, and we had no king.
• 22:51 And all of a sudden, the people clamored for a king.
• 22:53 And God says, "You don't need a king," but the people wanted it,
• 22:56 so we got a king, and that was Saul.
• 23:00 Terrible things happened to Saul and Jonathan.
• 23:03 And after Saul and Jonathan, we see the rise of King David.
• 23:06 And King David turned us not into a nation, but a superpower,
• 23:10 and it was a great thing.
• 23:11 We were all the way from Egypt to the Euphrates.
• 23:14 Jeffrey: Yeah, it is an evolutionary process
• 23:16 at one level.
• 23:17 I'm not speaking in the scientific term, but
• 23:19 you just did the whole good part of the history
• 23:21 of the Old Testament in 30 seconds.
• 23:23 How does it apply to the modern world that we live in?
• 23:25 Any thoughts?
• 23:26 Avi: Well, again, we went into the Holocaust as a--
• 23:31 like a family.
• 23:32 We were butchered, we were killed.
• 23:34 And then one of the greatest miracles in human history was
• 23:37 the resurrection of the state of Israel.
• 23:40 And Jews came home from all over the world.
• 23:42 Actually, Jews and some Christians also.
• 23:44 And I predict that for the future also, that many Jews
• 23:46 and Christians will be moving to Israel.
• 23:48 And all of a sudden, we see Israel in a little compact
• 23:52 United Nations partition plan becoming the 1949 borders,
• 23:56 then the '67 borders, then '73 borders.
• 23:59 And we are now, I believe, in the period before a major war
• 24:04 at some stage with major border changes as a result of ISIS
• 24:09 causing complete collapse of the Arabic countries around us,
• 24:13 creating a vacuum, and then we pull in.
• 24:15 So, this is kind of like a neo-David era.
• 24:19 Jeffrey: Yeah, and so to your point, difficulties
• 24:21 notwithstanding, the kingdom expands.
• 24:24 There's obstacles, there's tensions, but by God's grace,
• 24:27 we all carry on.
• 24:29 ♪♪♪
• 24:36 David: Dr. Seif, you have some impressive titles under
• 24:38 your belt like, let's see, policeman, pastor, and today
• 24:44 you look like a professor.
• 24:46 Jeffrey: Well, yeah, 30 years of Bible college
• 24:48 seminary professor.
• 24:49 Why do you ask?
• 24:50 David: Well, what is this?
• 24:52 Kirsten: Well, 'cause this looks like a score card, something.
• 24:54 Jeffrey: Well, a report card, you know?
• 24:55 I wanted to give a grade.
• 24:58 Kirsten: Those always make me nervous.
• 24:59 My palms are sweaty right now.
• 25:01 David: I see a red one over there too, a red one.
• 25:03 Jeffrey: You know, I'm not God.
• 25:04 Saul right off the bat, I give him an F.
• 25:06 I'm very unimpressed by him pretty much from the get go.
• 25:09 He was in it for himself, he wasn't minded to lead, and
• 25:12 he didn't want to brave the hazards, jump into the fray
• 25:15 and take care of business.
• 25:16 So him, sorry Saul, it is what it is.
• 25:19 I'm a tough teacher.
• 25:21 David: You are.
• 25:22 Jeffrey: David, it's not a whole lot better.
• 25:24 To tell you the truth, I like David personally.
• 25:26 I mean, he's one of my favorite figures in the Bible, I love it.
• 25:28 You know, he starts off, you know, Judea's in trouble,
• 25:31 and it expands under his administration.
• 25:34 As a leader, he's just the best of the best of the best.
• 25:37 Good heart, you know, jumps into the fray, a warrior.
• 25:40 I love all that, but I have trouble forgiving him
• 25:44 because of Bathsheba.
• 25:46 I think he had too many women personally.
• 25:48 There are eight wives, never mind concubines.
• 25:50 Kirsten: A to a D.
• 25:52 Jeffrey: You know, yeah, it's kind of like, well, you know,
• 25:54 overall, I just got to finish up with a D, you know, because I'm
• 25:59 just reminded, you know, as a leader, as a politician, I give
• 26:02 him an A, but I look at him through a religious lens and
• 26:06 I'm very unimpressed by the deal with Bathsheba,
• 26:09 the adultery, the murder, the deceit.
• 26:13 God could forgive him that, his own sons didn't.
• 26:16 The end of his days end in misery, he's running from
• 26:18 his own kids, there's turmoil in his own house.
• 26:20 David: Seems like there's a little theme there,
• 26:22 maybe backsliding.
• 26:24 Jeffrey: Yeah, I think he went backwards.
• 26:26 The grace of God, you know, put a check to that,
• 26:28 and I trust I'll see him on the other side of the grave--
• 26:31 Kirsten: But he was still a man after God's own heart, right?
• 26:33 Or did he lose that?
• 26:34 Jeffrey: Well, he lost it for a season, he regained it,
• 26:37 but he lost his family even in regaining.
• 26:39 You know, God forgave him, his sons didn't apparently
• 26:41 because again, he finishes poorly in that regard.
• 26:44 On the whole, as far as leaders go, pound for pound,
• 26:48 he's as good as they get in the Old Testament.
• 26:50 But it's hard for me to overlook those indiscretions.
• 26:54 Kirsten: Let's keep that humility
• 26:56 in the hunger for God, yes?
• 26:57 Jeffrey: Yes.
• 26:59 David: Looks like just the beginning also
• 27:00 of what we're going to learn.
• 27:01 Jeffrey: It's just the beginning, yes.
• 27:03 Let's not make the same mistakes, what do you say?
• 27:04 Kirsten: Come back--
• 27:05 Yeah, I was just going to say, come back next week and
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