Caption transcript for “Turn-Speak” with Joan Peters, Part 1

• 00:08 BRETHREN, MY HEART'S DESIRE AND PRAYER TO GOD FOR ISRAEL IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
• 00:14 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GENTILE,
• 00:18 FOR THE SAME LORD OVERALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM.
• 00:34 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:36 I HAVE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE OUR GUEST TONIGHT
• 00:39 BECAUSE SHE'S REALLY VERY SPECIAL.
• 00:41 WE'VE HAD HER BEFORE.
• 00:43 IT'S JOAN PETERS, HISTORIAN, JOURNALIST, AND IF YOU WILL FORGIVE ME,
• 00:46 THE BIOGRAPHY IS SO LONG AND COMPLEX, I NEED TO ACTUALLY READ FROM IT.
• 00:59 THIS IS THE BOOK THAT'S IN MOST OF THE BOOK STORES
• 01:02 OR THEY CAN ORDER IT, BUT IT'S A WONDERFUL BOOK.
• 01:05 DON'T START READING THIS WHEN YOU GO TO BED. IT'S A PAGE-TURNER.
• 01:09 IT'S IN CURRENT DEMAND, USED AS A TEXTBOOK IN THE UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL.
• 01:59 JOAN PETERS. THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY.
• 02:02 IT'S MY PLEASURE, ALWAYS.
• 02:04 LOOK, SINCE YOUR BOOK CAME OUT, YOU'RE THE MIDDLE OF A LOT OF CONFLICT AND ARGUMENT, DEBATE--
• 02:11 THE FIRST SUBJECT, WE WERE TALKING BEFORE THE PROGRAM ABOUT GEORGE ORWELL
• 02:17 AND HIS, WAY BACK IN 1948, HIS BOOK WHERE HE INTRODUCED THE NEW TERM, "NEW-SPEAK".
• 02:25 YOU'VE TAKEN THAT TERM AND USING IT ON THE SPIN WE'RE GETTING TODAY
• 02:32 WITH THE SITUATION IN ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS, AND YOU CALL IT "TURN-SPEAK".
• 02:37 YES, BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN "NEW-SPEAK".
• 02:40 "TURN-SPEAK" IS WHAT HAS DEVELOPED IN THE WORLD AS AN EXCUSE FOR AN ARAB CASE
• 02:46 BECAUSE THERE IS NO ARAB CASE FOR ISRAEL.
• 02:49 AND THE ARABS HAVE LITERALLY STOLEN THE IDENTITY OF THE JEWS
• 02:54 TO CREATE A CASE FOR THEMSELVES AND IN SO DOING, THE HAVE CREATED A "TURN-SPEAK".
• 02:58 THEY'VE TURNED EVERYTHING ON IT'S HEAD AND MY TERM CAME FROM, "TURN-SPEAK".
• 03:04 LET ME REITERATE THIS PART OF YOUR HISTORY, I REMEMBER FROM WHEN YOU WERE WITH US BEFORE.
• 03:11 YOU WENT OVER THERE ORIGINALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE QUESTION.
• 03:16 YOU WENT TO DEFEND THE ARAB POSITION, TO WRITE SOMETHING, YOU'RE A HISTORIAN.
• 03:21 YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL AT DIGGING OUT THE REAL FACTS AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE YOU CHANGED SIDES
• 03:26 BECAUSE YOU FOUND A LOT OF "TURN-SPEAK".
• 03:30 YES, IT ISN'T SO MUCH THAT I CHANGED SIDES,
• 03:33 I WAS AN OLD CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST AND I HAD THOUGHT THAT THE ARAB REFUGEES
• 03:38 WERE IN THE SAME KIND OF PLIGHT THAT THE AFRICAN AMERICANS HAD BEEN AS SLAVES IN THE SOUTH.
• 03:45 IT LOOKS LIKE A SIMILAR PACKAGING.
• 03:50 AND I WENT TO THE CAMPS IN LEBANON AND I SAW THE DIFFERENCES FROM WHAT I THOUGHT
• 03:56 AND I REALIZED THAT THE ARAB, WELL, THERE IS SO MANY LAYERS UPON LAYERS
• 04:01 THAT IT'S QUITE SCARY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'VE GOTTEN THIS EQUAL, WHAT DO WE CALL IT,
• 04:10 DOCTRINE OF EQUIVALENCY.
• 04:13 MORAL EQUIVALENCY.
• 04:14 IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT HITLER WAS AS EQUALLY GUILTY AS THE JEWS
• 04:20 WHOM HE HAD BURNED TO DEATH, OR HE DID WHATEVER HE DID TO.
• 04:23 FOR SOME REASON THERE HAS BEEN A BLIND SPOT IN THE WORLD SINCE 1948.
• 04:30 WELL, IT'S NOT SOME REASON, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A HUGE AMOUNT VERY ACTIVE BLINDING.
• 04:39 YOU WERE GOING TO READ A PASSAGE FROM "TURN-SPEAK".
• 04:42 I WOULD LOVE TO. THIS IS FASCINATING--
• 04:44 IT'S FROM MY BOOK AND IT'S IN THE CONCLUSION
• 04:50 AND IT'S AFTER I'VE DONE A LOT, 10 YEARS OF RESEARCH AND PUTTING TOGETHER.
• 04:56 I'LL JUST READ THIS ONE BRIEF BIT TO YOU AND THEN I WILL TAKE IT APART.
• 05:10 WELL LET'S STOP RIGHT THERE. FIRST OF ALL, THE USE OF THE TERM, PALESTINIAN PEOPLE,
• 05:15 AS BEING ARABS IS AN IMMEDIATE PUBLIC RELATIONS COUP.
• 05:20 BECAUSE BY CALLING THEM PALESTINIANS,
• 05:22 THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFIED WITH PALESTINE
• 05:26 AND IF THEY ARE IDENTIFIED WITH PALESTINE, THEN ISRAEL IS NOT.
• 05:31 IF YOU SAY IN 1948, PALESTINE BECAME ISRAEL,
• 05:34 IT APPEARS THAT THE JEWS TOOK OVER PALESTINE FROM THE ARABS.
• 05:38 BUT THERE WERE NO ARAB PALESTINIANS, THERE NEVER WAS AND ARAB PALESTINE.
• 05:42 THE ONLY ARAB PALESTINE THAT EXISTED AND EXISTS, IS JORDAN.
• 05:47 THE KINGDOM OF JORDAN BECAME PALESTINE, BUT THE KING OF JORDAN, KING ABDULLAH,
• 05:53 WAS ASSASSINATED FOR SAYING THAT JORDAN WAS PALESTINE.
• 05:57 EVEN THOUGH IT IS 75% OF THE ENTIRE PALESTINIAN MANDATE.
• 06:04 THAT'S THE VERY FIRST PART OF THIS VERY SHORT PARAGRAPH.
• 06:21 IT HAS NEVER BEEN PRESENT. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINIAN IDENTITY.
• 06:25 IN FACT, THE ARAB WOULD NOT BE CALLED PALESTINIANS.
• 06:29 NO, THEY DID NOT WANT THAT TERM BACK WHEN IT WAS, 1948.
• 06:33 THEY SAID YOU'RE PALESTINIAN, THEY SAID NO, NO, THE JEWS ARE PALESTINIAN.
• 06:36 YES, THEY SAID WE ARE SYRIANS, WE ARE SOUTHERN SYRIANS, WE ARE ANYTHING BUT PALESTINIANS.
• 06:42 WE WILL CALL OURSELVES OTTOMANS, TURKS, BUT DON'T CALL US PALESTINIAN.
• 06:47 THE PALESTINIAN BRIGADE THAT THE BRITISH WAS ABLE TO MUSTER IN THE MANDATORY PERIOD
• 06:52 AND IN THE WAR, WAS THE JEWISH BRIGADE.
• 06:55 THEY WERE JEWISH SOLDIERS.
• 06:57 SO MUCH FOR THE SECOND ONE.
• 07:12 OK, THAT'S A LOT.
• 07:14 THE ALIEN JEWS, FIRST OF ALL, THE JEWS WERE NOT ALIEN,
• 07:17 EVEN THE MOST HOSTILE BRITISH REPORTS THAT WERE AVAILABLE,
• 07:21 LIKE THE PEALE COMMISSION REPORT WHICH DID ACTUALLY TRACE JEWISH HISTORY BACK IN THE HOLY LAND,
• 07:28 ALL OF THEM SAID THAT THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A JEWISH PRESENCE IN THE HOLY LAND.
• 07:33 AND THE JEWISH NEVER LEFT.
• 07:36 HOW CAN THE JEWS BE ALIEN TO ISRAEL?
• 07:38 THIS IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT REALLY IS IDENTIFIED WITH A PEOPLE,
• 07:42 ISRAEL AND THE JEWS. EXACTLY.
• 07:44 MORE SO THAN WE WHITE EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS ARE WITH NORTH AMERICA, SAY.
• 07:48 WELL, IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE CALLED NOW.
• 07:52 YOU'VE SEEN THE PUBLICITY AS MUCH AS I HAVE.
• 07:55 YOU'VE SEEN THE KIND OF HANDOUTS WE GET WHEN WE GO TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
• 07:59 YOU'VE SEEN HOW THEY CALL THEM ALIEN AND THE ARABS ARE THE NATIVES.
• 08:04 WE'LL GO ON WITH THAT ONE.
• 08:07 IT'S THE ALIEN JEWS RETURNED AFTER 2000 YEARS IN 1948 TO DISPLACE THE PALESTINIAN ARABS.
• 08:15 WE'LL STOP THERE.
• 08:16 TO DISPLACE THE PALESTINIAN ARABS, OKAY,
• 08:19 DISPLACED PERSONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST WERE NOT THE ARABS, THEY WERE THE JEWS.
• 08:27 THERE WERE 900,000 OR SO WHO WERE FORCED TO LEAVE,
• 08:32 TO FLEE WITHOUT THEIR PROPERTY FROM ARAB COUNTRIES IN 1948.
• 08:37 NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE JEWISH REFUGEES.
• 08:39 THEY ARE DISPLACED.
• 08:41 THEY WERE CHASED OUT OF ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 08:43 THEY WERE FOR FEAR OF THEIR LIVES.
• 08:46 BUT THE ARABS WHO ARE CALLED REFUGEES, AND THIS STARTED MY,
• 08:50 CAN I DO A LITTLE BIT OF DEVIATING FROM THIS--
• 08:55 JOAN, YOU ARE FREE TO SAY WHAT YOU LIKE ON THIS PROGRAM.
• 08:58 THE IDEA OF DISPLACEMENT OF ARABS WAS ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES
• 09:05 THAT STARTED ME ON THIS BOOK BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY HAD BEEN.
• 09:08 AND A NUMBER OF THINGS HAVE SUDDENLY BECOME VERY CLEAR IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THIS BOOK
• 09:16 WASN'T SO SUDDEN, IT WAS 10 YEARS.
• 09:18 BUT WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED, DO YOU THINK,
• 09:22 IT WAS A SLIGHT DEFINITION CHANGE IN THE UNITED NATIONS ARCHIVES.
• 09:28 THE DEFINITION CHANGE WAS SO OVERWHELMING
• 09:32 THAT IS DIDN'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT THE FIRST TIME.
• 09:35 THE DEFINITION OF A REFUGEE, IN THE WORLD,
• 09:39 IS THAT ANY PERSON WHO HAS BEEN FORCED TO FLEE FROM THEIR LIVELIHOOD
• 09:46 AND THEIR FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, WHO HAS LIVED THEIR A LONG TIME,
• 09:50 WILL IN FACT, BE QUALIFYING AS A REFUGEE.
• 09:54 THEY HAVE LONG-LIVED STATUS IN THE COUNTRY THEY LEFT.
• 09:57 IN THE CASE OF 1948, THE ARABS ACTUALLY HAD A SEPARATE ARAB REFUGEE AGENCY CALLED "UNRWA",
• 10:08 JUST FOR ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL, NOT FROM ANYWHERE ELSE.
• 10:12 THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND THERE WERE 50 MILLION REFUGEES WHO WERE CREATED,
• 10:17 THE NEED WAS INCREDIBLE AFTER WWII SO THAT THERE WERE ENORMOUS NUMBERS OF REFUGEES.
• 10:25 THEY WERE ALL UNDER THE RUBRIC OF A WORLD REFUGEE ORGANIZATION
• 10:29 EXCEPT FOR THE ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL.
• 10:32 THEY CREATED A SPECIAL AGENCY AND IN THAT AGENCY AND IN THAT DEFINITION,
• 10:38 THEY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF REFUGEE FOR ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL
• 10:44 TO ANY PERSON WHO HAD BEEN IN ISRAEL 2 YEARS BEFORE 1948.
• 10:53 NOW IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT SUDDENLY CAME TO ME,
• 10:56 AND I WENT BACK TO THIS DEFINITION CHANGE
• 10:59 AND I THOUGHT HOW COULD THEY DO A DEFINITION CHANGE THAT WAS SO UNITED NATIONS ORIENTED
• 11:06 AND HAD TO BE INCLUSIVE OF SO MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FOR IT TO HAPPEN,
• 11:11 WHEN IN FACT, THESE PEOPLE ARE LONG-LIVED NATIVES FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL
• 11:17 AND IT TURNED OUT, GOING INTO THE U.N. ARCHIVES,
• 11:21 THAT THESE ARAB REFUGEES WHO WERE NOT CALLED PALESTINIANS AT THAT TIME,
• 11:26 THE ARAB REFUGEES HAD INDEED FLED FROM OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES
• 11:31 TO FOLLOW ON THE JEWS TAIL TO GET THE BENEFITS,
• 11:34 TO GET ALL THE VARYING QUALITIES THAT WERE IN THE JEWISH SETTLEMENTS
• 11:40 THAT WERE NOT IN THE ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 11:42 SO, TO WRAP IT UP, THE ARABS WERE NOT LONG-LIVED IN ISRAEL,
• 11:47 AND THEY WEREN'T DISPLACED, AND THEY WEREN'T DISPLACED.
• 11:49 THE UNITED NATIONS ACCOMMODATED THEM BY SAYING,
• 11:51 "IF YOU JUST HAD 2 YEARS IN THE LAND, THEN YOU'RE A REFUGEE FROM IT"
• 11:55 AND ACCOMMODATED ARABS THAT HAD ALMOST JUST ARRIVED WITH THE JEWS.
• 11:59 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, YOU KNOW.
• 12:03 THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH AN ARAB WANTING TO BETTER HIMSELF.
• 12:05 NOT AT ALL,
• 12:06 AND A NOMADIC TRIBE, WE STUDIED ABOUT NOMADS IN HIGH SCHOOL,
• 12:11 WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE WANDERING PEOPLES IN THE DESERT.
• 12:15 IT'S A VERY NOBLE PROFESSION TO WANDER AND FIND YOU LAND WHERE YOU CAN AND MOVE ON,
• 12:19 BUT NOT WHEN IT'S AT THE EXPENSE OF A WHOLE PEOPLE.
• 12:23 NOT WHEN THEY ARE ABOUT TO STEAL THE ENTIRE PERSONA OF THE ONE JEWISH COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
• 12:29 SHE'S JOAN PETERS SHE HAS SO MUCH TO SAY.
• 12:32 I HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT SAID, BUT SHE'S THE AUTHOR OF "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL".
• 12:39 YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THE ORIGINAL
• 12:41 AND SHE'S WHAT IS CALLED IN THE BUSINESS, "SOURCE MATERIAL".
• 12:45 IN OUR NEWSLETTER, WE QUOTE DIFFERENT-- CAL THOMAS, JOSEPH FARAH, DIFFERENT AUTHORS,
• 12:53 DANIEL PIPES AND SO ON, WHO WE RELY ON AND TRUST
• 12:56 AND THEY SAY THINGS IN EDITORIALS AND WE REPEAT THEM AND WE QUOTE THEM.
• 13:01 BUT THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY "SOURCE MATERIAL".
• 13:04 THEY IN TURN, LOOK AT JOAN PETERS AND PEOPLE LIKE HER,
• 13:08 HER BOOK, HER RESEARCH, HER LIFE'S WORK TO GET THEIR IDEAS.
• 13:11 SHE IS "SOURCE MATERIAL" AND I AM GLAD WE CAN BRING HER TO YOU TODAY.
• 13:14 BACK WITH HER AFTER THIS.
• 13:48 THAT'S THE WAY WE SEE ISRAEL ON OUR PROGRAMS.
• 13:52 WHEN YOU TOUR IT AND GO TO BIBLICAL SITES, YOU DON'T RUN INTO ALL THIS POLITICS.
• 13:57 IT IS CERTAINLY AN EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.
• 14:00 ISRAEL IS USUALLY AHEAD OF THINGS
• 14:03 AND ISAIAH SPOKE ABOUT TURN-SPEAK, JOAN, 3000 YEARS AGO ALMOST.
• 14:16 THAT'S TURN-SPEAK.
• 14:18 THESE PEACE PLANS THAT WE'RE SEEING, PEOPLE ARE PERSUADED BY THE ROADMAP, EVIDENTLY,
• 14:23 OUR TOURS ARE GETTING LARGER, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE ONCOMING PEACE PLANS?
• 14:28 THEY ARE FINE, EXCEPT THAT THERES ONLY ONE PARTY TO THEM.
• 14:31 YOU CAN'T HAVE A PEACE PLAN FOR ONE PARTY.
• 14:33 THAT'S RIGHT.
• 14:35 THE ISRAELIS HAVE DONE WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ON THE ROADMAP AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.
• 14:41 THE ROAD MAP IS ABSOLUTELY DEAD.
• 14:43 IT WAS DEAD BEFORE IT STARTED BECAUSE THE FALLACIOUS PREMISE
• 14:48 OF ALL THE PEACE PLANS THAT HAVE PROPOSED IS THAT THE ARABS ARE READY TO MAKE PEACE OF SOME SORT
• 14:53 WITH ISRAEL OR EXCEPT IT IN SOME FUTURE DATE.
• 14:56 AND UP UNTIL THE PRESENT, AND I BELIEVE INTO QUITE A LONG TIME IN THE FUTURE,
• 15:01 UNTIL THERE IS SOME REFORM OF ISLAM,
• 15:04 THERE WILL NOT BE A POSSIBILITY OF A PEACE PLAN
• 15:06 BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE 2 PARTIES WHO IN SOME WAY AGREE TO AGREE.
• 15:12 AND IT SEEMS LIKE ALMOST PROPAGANDA TO SAY
• 15:16 THERE NEEDS TO BE A PALESTINIAN STATE IN THE MIDDLE OF ISRAEL.
• 15:21 THIS WILL CAUSE PEACE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN IT?
• 15:25 OF COURSE NOT. THEY DON'T WANT A PALESTINIAN STATE IN ISRAEL.
• 15:30 THEY WANT ISRAEL.
• 15:32 THEY WANT A PALESTINIAN STATE WHEREVER THERE IS A JEWISH LAND AND IF IT WASN'T THERE,
• 15:38 IT WOULD BE WHEREVER IT WAS THE ARABS WOULD WANT IT.
• 15:41 PALESTINIANS ARE AN INVENTION OF THE ARAB LEAGUE. THE PALESTINIANS DID NOT EXIST.
• 15:48 THEY ARE A WONDERFUL GROUP OF HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER GROUP
• 15:52 BEFORE THEY GOT INDOCTRINATED BY THEIR SCHOOLS INTO HATING AND KILLING JEWS.
• 15:57 THAT WAS FINE, BUT TODAY THE PALESTINIANS DO HAVE A LAND
• 16:03 EVEN IF THEY DON'T DESERVE IT, THEY HAVE ONE.
• 16:05 THEY HAVE 3/4 OF PALESTINE CALLED JORDAN.
• 16:08 PEOPLE HAVE SAID, OH, JORDAN WILL NEVER ACCEPT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT,
• 16:14 THEY AREN'T GOING TO HAVE A CHOICE BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS BEING RULED OUT.
• 16:19 THERE IS GOING TO COME A TIME WHEN IF NOT MORE
• 16:23 THERE WILL AT LEAST BE A FEDERATED STATE OF PALESTINIANS
• 16:29 WHICH WILL BE INCLUSIVE OF THE EAST BANK AND ALL OF JORDAN
• 16:33 AND ISRAEL WILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN THE TINY PIECE OF LAND IN THE WORLD IT HAS.
• 16:40 THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION.
• 16:42 MAYBE WHEN THERE IS A REFORM OF ISLAM IN A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS
• 16:46 AND THEY SEPARATE THE JIHAD OR HATE FROM THE RELIGION AND FROM THE POLITICS OF THEIR PEOPLE,
• 16:53 MAYBE THEN THERE CAN BE TALK ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER STATE BUT AT THAT TIME,
• 16:58 I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE NECESSARY BECAUSE THEY WILL NO LONGER,
• 17:02 ALLAH WILLING, THEY WILL NO LONGER HATE NON-ISLAMISTS.
• 17:08 THE INDOCTRINATION IS ON THE LEVEL OF CHILDREN IN SCHOOL BOOKS AND SO ON,
• 17:15 IT'S GETTING WORSE AS WE GO BECAUSE THESE CHILDREN GROW UP
• 17:18 AND BECOME TEENAGERS AND SUICIDE BOMBERS AND ZEALOTS OF ALL SORTS BECAUSE OF THEIR EARLY TRAINING.
• 17:24 CAN SOMETHING BE DONE?
• 17:26 THERE ARE MANY STUDIES BEING DONE NOW.
• 17:30 VERY EXPERT STUDIES THAT ARE TAKING THE SCHOOL BOOKS, THEY ARE TAKING THE INFANT,
• 17:35 LITERALLY, INFANT INDOCTRINATION, THEY'RE TAKING THE CAMPS,
• 17:40 THE CHILDREN'S DAY CAMPS OF THE PALESTINIAN ARABS IN THE WEST BANK,
• 17:46 NEVER MIND SYRIA OR EGYPT OR LEBANON OR ANY OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES
• 17:51 BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME TRAINING.
• 17:54 CERTAINLY SAUDI ARABIA. SAUDI ARABIA IS THE INITIATOR.
• 17:57 THE TINY CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT TO HATE,
• 18:03 NOT JUST ON AN EMOTIONAL LEVEL, THEY'RE TAUGHT TO KILL
• 18:07 AND THIS IS THREATENING THE ENTIRE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN.
• 18:13 IT'S NOT JUST THE JEWS. IT'S AMERICANS, IT'S THE WEST, IT'S THE FREE WORLD.
• 18:17 THE SAUDIS ARE THE GREATEST PERPETRATORS OF THIS.
• 18:20 THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING THE PALESTINIANS TO KILL.
• 18:23 THEY HAVE BEEN GIVING, NOW I THINK IT'S $50,000.
• 18:27 I KNOW IRAQ GAVE MONEY. SAUDI ARABIA HAS ALWAYS GIVEN MONEY.
• 18:31 THE SAUDI ARABIANS, WHO ARE THE MOST GUILTY OF SPREADING HATE AGAINST AMERICANS AND JEWS
• 18:38 ARE SUPPOSED BEST FRIENDS IN THE ARAB WORLD OF US.
• 18:43 WHY DO THEY GET A FREE PASS?
• 18:44 WHY DO THEY VISIT THE PRESIDENT'S RANCH AND WHITE HOUSE?
• 18:48 WHY IS IT IN ISRAEL THE TERRORISTS IN CALLED MILITANTS,
• 18:54 WHY ARE THEY NEVER CALLED TERRORISTS?
• 18:57 WHY ARE THEY TERRORISTS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD WHERE THEY KILL,
• 19:01 EVERYWHERE, MALAYSIA, INDONESIA, SYRIA, EGYPT, THE UNITED STATES, THEY'RE TERRORISTS,
• 19:07 AND YET THE PALESTINIAN WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS IN ISRAEL,
• 19:13 WHO HAVE BEEN KILLING THE SAME WAY THEY'RE KILLING HERE, ARE CALLED MILITANTS.
• 19:18 THEY'RE GIVEN GREAT STATUS. THEY'RE GIVEN RESPECT.
• 19:22 WHY ARE THESE MURDERERS GIVEN RESPECT IN ISRAEL AND NOWHERE ELSE?
• 19:26 DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL LAW FOR JEWISH VICTIMS OF TERRORISM?
• 19:31 CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE IT, DOESN'T IT.
• 19:34 YES IT DOES.
• 19:36 AND IT ALSO GIVES ONE PAUSE WHEN ONE REALIZES IN THE IRAQ WAR,
• 19:41 EARLY ON AFTER WE STOPPED THE OFFICIAL FIGHTING EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A BIGGER WAR GOING ON NOW,
• 19:48 THE IRAQ WAR BROUGHT MANY, WHAT THEY CALL, FOREIGNERS.
• 19:53 IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS FEDAYEEN WAR AGAINST AMERICANS, ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO, IT STOPPED.
• 20:01 THEY WERE CALLING THEM PALESTINIAN INVADERS.
• 20:03 THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT STOPPED, TOTALLY.
• 20:07 THEY NEVER REFERRED TO THEM BY ANY NAME OTHER THAN FOREIGNERS OR INVADERS.
• 20:12 WHY IS THAT?
• 20:14 WE'RE PROTECTING THE PALESTINIANS AGAIN.
• 20:18 WHY? TELL ME.
• 20:20 THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
• 20:22 IT'S ALMOST A SPIRITUAL PROBLEM, IF YOU WANT AN ANSWER, I CAN TELL YOU.
• 20:26 IT SEEMS THAT THE MORE DISTANT PEOPLE ARE FROM GOD,
• 20:29 THE MORE THEY HATE ISRAEL AND THE JEWS AND ALL THE EVIDENCE OF GOD AT WORK IN THE WORLD.
• 20:33 ISLAMISTS ARE PRETTY FAR FROM THE REAL GOD AS FAR AS I CAN SEE IT.
• 20:38 THAT'S A CHRISTIAN VIEW,
• 20:39 BUT THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT REALLY ISLAMISTS, THEY'RE HATERS,
• 20:43 BUT THEY'RE TERRORISTS ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
• 20:46 THAT'S TRUE.
• 20:47 I DON'T FIND THEM VERY RELIGIOUS WHEN I TRAVEL IN ISRAEL.
• 20:50 THERE ARE MOSQUES IN THE VILLAGES, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE VERY WELL ATTENDED.
• 20:53 TYPICALLY THERE'S A VILLAGE OF 10,000 PEOPLE AND THERE'S ONE MINARET, SMALL BUILDING.
• 21:00 IT WON'T HOLD THE TOWN. IT WON'T HOLD ONE HUNDREDTH OF THE TOWN.
• 21:05 THEY'RE NOT VERY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE HEAR FROM THEM ABOUT RELIGION.
• 21:10 NO, THEY'VE BEEN BRED TO HATE, ZOLA.
• 21:12 THEY'VE BEEN BRED TO HATE AND IT'S VERY SAD BECAUSE THEY STARTED OUT, YOU KNOW,
• 21:16 THE 12 YEAR OLD PALESTINIAN DOESN'T KNOW THAT HIS FAMILY CAME FROM SUDAN OR FROM EGYPT
• 21:21 OR FROM LEBANON OR THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO THIS COUNTRY,
• 21:26 THAT THEY ARE STEALING THE RIGHT FROM A PEOPLE
• 21:28 WHO HAS BEEN SHUNTED AROUND FROM "TIME IMMEMORIAL".
• 21:32 THEY DON'T KNOW THAT.
• 21:33 THEY ARE TAUGHT THAT THEIR LAND IS WHERE THE JEWS ARE
• 21:37 AND THEY WANT TO KILL THE JEWS AND THIS WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT.
• 21:41 THIS RIGHT OF RETURN, THEY'RE NOT ONLY TAUGHT THAT,
• 21:46 BUT THEY ARE TAUGHT THAT THEIR FAMILIES WERE CHASED OUT OF ISRAEL BY THE JEWS
• 21:50 AND NOW ARE MILLIONS OF THEM IN THE NEXT GENERATION AND THE NEXT GENERATION,
• 21:54 THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO RETURN TO ISRAEL.
• 21:57 WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT?
• 22:00 THAT'S GOT A LOT OF-- HERE'S SOME BACKGROUND.
• 22:02 THAT HAS TO DO WITH GETTING BACK TO THE MYTHS AND THIS ONE BASIC PARAGRAPH
• 22:09 BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF RETURN, BASICALLY,
• 22:13 IS THE TERMINOLOGY OF THE JEWS FOR THEIR LAND AFTER THE HOLOCAUST
• 22:18 AND AFTER HAVING BEEN IN THE POGROMS
• 22:20 AND HAVING LOST THE JEWISH STATE WHEN THE ROMANS DESTROYED IT.
• 22:26 THAT HAS THE -RIGHT TO RETURN- IN CONTEXT.
• 22:31 THE -RIGHT TO RETURN- AS THE ARABS ARE USING IT NOW
• 22:33 IS A COMPLETE ROBBERY OF THE LANGUAGE AND THE IDEAS OF THE JEWS.
• 22:40 THE -RIGHT TO RETURN- DOES NOT APPLY TO ARABS
• 22:43 BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO THE LAND THE JEWS ARE IN, THEY NEVER DID OWN THE LAND.
• 22:49 THEY NEVER DID HAVE A TRADITION ON THE LAND.
• 22:51 THEY HAVE NO PEOPLE-HOOD.
• 22:54 THIS IS TOTALLY FABRICATED AND IT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE IT IS A JEWISH STATE,
• 23:00 THE JEWISH STATE CANNOT BE ROBBED OF IT'S HERITAGE.
• 23:04 THEY SAY TWO RIGHTS AND TWO WITH ONE STATE.
• 23:09 IT'S NOT TRUE. IT HAS BEEN FABRICATED.
• 23:13 THE ARABS RIGHT IS ONLY TO GO TO JORDAN IF THEY WANT TO
• 23:18 OR GO AND LIVE IN ANY ONE OF THE MANY MILLIONS OF MILES OF TERRITORY
• 23:21 THAT THE ARAB LANDS ENCOMPASS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 23:25 BUT THE ARAB LEAGUE HAS USED AND ABUSED THESE PEOPLE THEY'VE MADE THEM INTO HUMAN BOMBS.
• 23:31 WHEN I WROTE MY BOOK, I CALLED THEM HUMAN BOMBS.
• 23:35 I CALLED THEM, VIRTUALLY.
• 23:37 I DIDN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE REAL BOMBS.
• 23:40 IT NEVER, IN MY WILDEST NIGHTMARES,
• 23:43 OH, YOU WROTE IT AWHILE BACK.
• 23:44 YES. THEY ARE HUMAN BOMBS, LITERALLY, YES.
• 23:48 AND THEY'VE BEEN CREATED BY THE ARAB WORLD
• 23:51 TO MASK THE HATRED AGAINST A JEWISH STATE IN THEIR MIDST.
• 23:56 AND NOW IT'S NOT JUST IN THEIR MIDST, IT'S IN AMERICA
• 24:01 BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE SAUDIS EGGING THEM ON.
• 24:04 IT'S ALL ABOUT INCITING AND THESE PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN INCITED INTO A BELIEF
• 24:10 THAT THEY CAN ONLY BE HAPPY AND GET AN IDENTITY WHICH THEY NEVER WANTED, BY THE WAY,
• 24:17 ACCORDING TO D. H. LAWRENCE, THEY NEVER WANTED AN IDENTITY.
• 24:19 THEY WANTED, BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS MADE THEM WANT TO WANT IT, AND THAT'S THE SADNESS.
• 24:28 YOU MEAN T.E. LAWRENCE IT THINK, YOU MEAN LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, IS THAT WHO YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
• 24:31 DID I SAY D.H. LAWRENCE, YES. THAT'S OKAY.
• 24:34 I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
• 24:36 HE FOUND THEM HARD TO MAKE INTO A PEOPLE, ALSO.
• 24:41 HE FOUND IT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT HE SAID ONE VERY IMPORTANT THING,
• 24:46 HE SAID, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THERE ARE NO NATURAL RESOURCE IN THE ARAB WORLD,
• 24:49 LEST I WOULD FIND IT VERY TROUBLING TO TRY AND BUILD THEM INTO A FORCE.
• 24:53 AND THEN CAME THE OIL,
• 24:56 THEN CAME THE OIL AND THEY HAD ALL THE NATURAL--
• 24:59 THE EUROPEANS SEEM TO SUPPORT IT AND THE BRITISH, EVEN OVER TO MALAYSIA,
• 25:03 YOU GET ALL THIS ANTI-SEMITISM AND IMPLICATION THAT THE PALESTINIANS DESERVE THE LAND.
• 25:08 WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?
• 25:10 THESE ARE CIVILIZED PEOPLE, SUPPOSEDLY.
• 25:12 THE RIFE HATRED OF JEWS, JEWS, SEMITES, JEWS IN THE WORLD HAS BEEN REVVED UP.
• 25:23 I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S THE BIGGEST FORCE BEHIND IT,
• 25:27 BUT I CAN TELL YOU I WAS DOING RESEARCH FOR 10 YEARS.
• 25:31 I SAW A LOT OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN THE PAGES OF HISTORY.
• 25:35 I NEVER SAW ANYTHING THE LIKES OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY, NOT EVEN IN HITLER'S DAY.
• 25:43 IT'S SPREAD OUT SO FAR NOW.
• 25:45 I WONDER IF THE PENDULUM WILL SWING SO FAR AND THEN COME BACK THE OTHER WAY
• 25:50 BECAUSE I CAN'T BELIEVE, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE ANNE FRANK OR POLLYANNA,
• 25:54 BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA, PEOPLE LIKE ME, PEOPLE LIKE YOU,
• 26:00 WHO ARE STILL INDOCTRINATED BY THE PHONY HANDOUTS THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT GIVES
• 26:07 OR THE TEXTBOOKS THAT ARE WRONG, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY,
• 26:11 THERE NOT GOING TO SAY, WHOA, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE.
• 26:14 THEY'LL HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING'S WRONG ALONG THE WAY.
• 26:18 SOMETHING'S WRONG HERE JOAN, AND THAT IS, WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
• 26:21 IT IS SO FASCINATING TO TALK TO YOU.
• 26:23 THE TIME GOES BY LIKE NOTHING. IT'S TIME THAT WE WRAP UP.
• 26:28 BUT THANKS FOR COMING AND I WANT YOU TO STAY FOR A SECOND PROGRAM
• 26:31 AND WE'LL SHOW THAT ONE NEXT WEEK
• 26:34 AND WE'LL SHOW THAT ON NEXT WEEK AND GO ON WITH THIS DISCUSSION.
• 26:36 SHE'S JOAN PETERS, WHAT CAN I SAY.
• 26:38 SHE'S "SOURCE MATERIAL". SHE UNDERSTANDS THE ENTIRE SITUATION.
• 26:42 I MAY SOUND BIASED, MAYBE I AM BIASED,
• 26:45 BUT SHE IS A RESEARCHER WHO HAS GONE THERE, DONE THE WORK, FOUND THE FACTS
• 26:49 AND IS HERE TO RELATE THEM TO YOU.
• 26:52 AND AS YOU LISTEN, SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.