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The Darkness That Nearly Engulfed Us

Jeff teaches from the German site where Hitler nearly succeeded in developing an atomic bomb. Zola interviews Dr. Ergun Caner, an Arab-Christian who shares his insights on Islam.

Air dates: 2007-Oct-21, 2008-Oct-05

Production Code: 941

Episode 5 of 8 in the series “Bad Moon Rising”

Duration: 28:20

Year: 2007

Series code: DBMR

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  • 00:03 WITH DR. JEFFREY SEIF AND SANDRA LEVITT
  • 00:10 AS DARK CLOUDS OMINOUSLY LOOM OVER THE HORIZON
  • 00:13 RADICAL MUSLIMS CHARGE THE ATMOSPHERE
  • 00:17 WITH BRAZEN DISREGARD.
  • 00:19 AS THE SUN SETS OVER CHRISTIAN EUROPE
  • 00:22 SLEEPING CHRISTIANS NEED TO WAKE UP
  • 00:25 NON-CHRISTIANS NEED TO GET UP
  • 00:27 AND MODERATE MUSLIMS NEED TO RISE UP.
  • 00:41 HEARTY SHALOM TO ALL OF YOU.
  • 00:43 JEFFREY SEIF HERE,
  • 00:44 WITH MY FRIEND SANDRA LEVITT.
  • 00:45 SHALOM
  • 00:46 AND WELCOME BACK TO "BAD MOON RISING"
  • 00:48 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVIL,
  • 00:50 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS
  • 00:52 THAT EVIL PRESENTS ITSELF IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:54 WE'VE LOOKED AT THE HOLOCAUST.
  • 00:55 WE'RE STILL GOING TO LOOK AT THE HOLOCAUST.
  • 00:57 IN FACT, JEFF YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO A PLACE
  • 00:59 THEY ALMOST GOT THE ATOM READY.
  • 01:02 DEEP UNDERGROUND STEALTHILY THEY WERE WORKING ON THE ATOM BOMB.
  • 01:07 I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THEY REALLY HAD DEVELOPED THAT ATOM BOMB?
  • 01:11 THANK GOD THAT AMERICANS GOT INVOLVED IN THE EUROPEAN SITUATION
  • 01:14 OR IT WOULD HAVE ALL COME UNGLUED.
  • 01:17 YOU HAVE TO REALLY STOP AND THINK,
  • 01:19 "WHAT WOULD THE WORLD HAVE LOOKED LIKE IF GERMANY HAD WON?"
  • 01:22 WELL, THERE WOULDN'T BE JEWS TO LOOK AT.
  • 01:24 ZOLA LEVITT PRESENTS WOULDN'T BE PRESENTING.
  • 01:26 THAT'S RIGHT BUT I AM GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE HERE.
  • 01:29 IT WOULD HAVE KILLED US ALL OFF.
  • 01:31 SO WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?
  • 01:33 WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS WHOLE PROGRAM, THIS WHOLE SERIES?
  • 01:35 WHAT IS THE PURPOSE?
  • 01:36 WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE BIBLE.
  • 01:38 WE WANT TO LOOK AT HISTORY.
  • 01:39 WE WANT TO PUT THE TWO TOGETHER
  • 01:40 AND LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT INASMUCH
  • 01:42 AS THE DEVIL WAS WORKING THROUGH THE NAZIS IN A BYGONE ERA,
  • 01:46 THAT WICKEDNESS IS RAISING ITS HOARY HEAD IN ANOTHER FORM.
  • 01:50 WE'LL BRING THE TWO TOGETHER FOR YOU IN A MOMENT.
  • 02:01 (Jeff speaking) HAIGERLOCH IS ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TOWNS I'VE EVER BEEN TO.
  • 02:07 SITUATED ON THE EDGE OF THE BLACK FOREST
  • 02:10 IT IS JUST A TOWN THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, ITS PRIVATE, ITS SECLUDED.
  • 02:16 ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE TOWN IS A BEAUTIFUL CASTLE THAT WAS OWNED BY THE HABSBURG
  • 02:22 AND IT WAS PAST AROUND A FEW TIMES.
  • 02:24 AND THERE ATTACHED TO THE CASTLE AS IS WAS THE HABIT IS THE PLACEMENT OF A CHURCH,
  • 02:31 A CHURCH DEDICATED TO SAINT ANNE.
  • 02:33 A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, A BEAUTIFUL CASTLE, A BEAUTIFUL CHURCH.
  • 02:40 YOU KNOW THERE'S A TRADITION OF PLACING BEAUTIFUL RELICS BENEATH CHURCHES
  • 02:45 DEDICATING THEN THE COMMUNION ALTAR TO A PARTICULAR MEMORY OF A PARTICULAR PERSON THAT DEDICATED THE CHURCH.
  • 02:53 NOW WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS CHURCH IN THIS TOWN
  • 02:57 IS THAT THE NAZIS UNDER THIS CHURCH AND UNDER THAT ALTAR
  • 03:03 DUG DEEP AND DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH IT.
  • 03:08 THEY MANUFACTURED A FACILITY TO SPLIT THE ATOM
  • 03:13 AND THROW THE THIRD REICH THEN INTO THE ATOMIC AGE.
  • 03:19 AND THEY CAME EVER SO CLOSE.
  • 03:22 AS STUDENTS OF HISTORY MIGHT RECALL
  • 03:25 THE RACE WAS ON AS WORLD WAR II WAS PRESSING TO A CONCLUSION HERE ON THE EUROPEAN THEATRE.
  • 03:34 THE NAZIS CAME THIS CLOSE
  • 03:37 AND AT THIS PLACE THEY WERE EXPERIMENTING DOWN HERE
  • 03:44 WITH THE SPLITTING OF THE ATOM, THE ENRICHMENT OF URANIUM.
  • 03:48 I DON'T WANT TO TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.
  • 03:50 I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT FIELD.
  • 03:52 BUT THERE ARE EXPERTS THAT HAVE COME AND STUDIED HERE AND WRITTEN ON THE SUBJECT.
  • 03:56 THIS IS THE PLACE
  • 03:58 AND THE FACT THAT THEY DID IT RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE CHURCH
  • 04:02 FOR ME IS STRIKING FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
  • 04:06 IT'S DEMONIC.
  • 04:08 AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU'LL PERMIT ME TO MUSE SOME,
  • 04:12 THE NAZIS CAME THIS CLOSE TO AN ATOM BOMB.
  • 04:16 THEY CAME THIS CLOSE TO THE V-2 ROCKET
  • 04:19 BY WHICH THEY COULD THEN LAUNCH THEIR UNCONVENTIONAL WEAPONS WITHOUT NEEDING TO SEND AIRCRAFT.
  • 04:26 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DECISIVE IN THE WAR.
  • 04:28 AND THEY CAME THIS CLOSE; THEY ALREADY HAD JETS IN THE AIR.
  • 04:32 YOU KNOW, WE WON THAT WAR AND THANK GOD THAT WE DID
  • 04:35 AND AS A JEW I DO MEAN THAT SINCERELY.
  • 04:37 NEVER MIND ME BEING AN AMERICAN ON TOP.
  • 04:40 THE TECHNOLOGY WAS ESCALATING UP
  • 04:43 AND THANK GOD WE GOT IT BY THE GRACE OF GOD JUST BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE.
  • 04:48 AND ITS HERE IN THIS PLACE UNDER A CHURCH
  • 04:53 IN WHAT'S ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL VILLAGES THAT I'VE EVER BEEN TO,
  • 04:58 AND I'VE BEEN TO MORE THAN ONE VILLAGE.
  • 05:00 IT'S SO QUAINT, IT'S SO QUITE, IT'S SO UNKNOWN
  • 05:04 AND IT'S FOR THIS REASON THAT THE NAZIS WANTED TO OBSCURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING,
  • 05:10 DECIDED TO PUT FINALITY TO THEIR EXPERIMENTS ON SPLITTING THE ATOM HERE
  • 05:15 AND THEN TRANSFERRING THE KNOWLEDGE FROM IT TO A RESEARCH FACILITY,
  • 05:20 THE MODEL OF WHICH IS HERE.
  • 05:22 ALL WITH AN AIM TO WIN THE RACE TO GET AN ATOM BOMB OUT.
  • 05:28 WHILE REFLECTING ON HOW FORTUNATE WE WERE TO STOP A CULTURE, A BELLICOSE CULTURE,
  • 05:37 A MILITANT CULTURE DRIVEN BY A DEMON INSPIRED PHILOSOPHY.
  • 05:42 AS CLOSE AS WE WERE BACK THEN TO PUTTING A HALT TO THEIR INTERESTS IN FORMIDABLE WEAPONS,
  • 05:51 THIS, BY THE WAY, REMINDS ME AT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF WHERE WE ARE AT THIS VERY DAY.
  • 05:58 AND NOW I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE AN ALARMIST
  • 06:00 BUT I DO WANT TO INFORM THAT WE DO WELL TO BE ALARMED.
  • 06:05 AND I'M NOT SPEAKING ON MY OWN AUTHORITY IN MAKING THAT POINT.
  • 06:11 WHEN I THINK OF AUTHORITIES
  • 06:13 I'M REMINDED OF HOW BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, A FORMER ISRAELI AMBASSADOR, UNITED NATIONS,
  • 06:18 A FORMER PRIME MINISTER THERE IN THE NATION STATE OF ISRAEL
  • 06:23 WARNED NOT LONG AGO...I HEARD HIM ON TV, OUR FILM CREW WENT THERE AND GOT THE SHOT IN FACT
  • 06:28 WHERE HE SAID, "LISTEN, MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD IN IRAN"
  • 06:33 "IS THREATENING TO DO IN 12 MINUTES WHAT HITLER COULDN'T DO IN 12 YEARS."
  • 06:44 THAT IS TO SAY, WITH HIS GEARING UP WITH NUCLEAR ARMAMENT
  • 06:50 THAT HE CAN DO BY PUSHING A BUTTON
  • 06:52 WHAT HITLER COULDN'T DO WITH ALL THE BUTTONS HE PUSHED
  • 06:55 AND FAVORS HE CALLED UPON AS HE WAS DEVELOPING HIS WAR MACHINERY HERE IN NAZI EUROPE.
  • 07:06 IT WAS POSSIBLE
  • 07:08 AND THE ONLY COMPARISON THAT WE CAN MAKE
  • 07:11 OF THIS DANGER OF THIS TERRORIST FANATIC MENTALITY
  • 07:15 ACQUIRING WEAPONS OF DEATH,
  • 07:16 IS THE ATTEMPT 60 YEARS AGO BY HITLER AND NAZISM TO ACQUIRE ATOMIC WEAPONS.
  • 07:22 AND YOU KNOW THAT HISTORY WOULD HAVE TAKEN A FAR DIFFERENT COURSE IF THAT HAPPENED.
  • 07:25 SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MUST BE STOPPED.
  • 07:27 THE ATTEMPT OF IRAN TO ARM ITSELF WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS,
  • 07:30 THE FACT THAT IT DENIES THE HOLOCAUST, CAN YOU IMAGINE?
  • 07:34 WHILE THEY'RE ANNOUNCING THAT THEY'LL MAKE A NEW HOLOCAUST
  • 07:37 THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE DENYING THE PREVIOUS HOLOCAUST
  • 07:41 BECAUSE THEY'D LIKE TO PAVE THE GROUND FOR A NEW ONE.
  • 07:44 AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY GREAT DANGER FOR ALL OF US.
  • 07:49 IT IS TERROR MULTIPLIED TO THE NTH DEGREE.
  • 07:52 IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE STOPPED.
  • 08:13 THE WONDER
  • 08:19 THE BEAUTY
  • 08:25 THE SOUL OF THE HOLY LAND
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  • 09:08 PLEASE CONTACT US FOR MORE INFORMATION.
  • 09:13 I THINK THERE'S REASON TO BE ALARMED
  • 09:15 AND ITS NOT THAT I WANT TO BE AN ALARMIST.
  • 09:20 AT ISSUE ISN'T SO MUCH THE FACT THAT THERE'S A NATION STATE THAT HAS NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES.
  • 09:26 GOD KNOWS THERE ARE NATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY COME CLEAN WITH THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAMS.
  • 09:30 THE ISSUE ISN'T AN IRANIAN STATE AS ANY STATE HAVING PROGRAM
  • 09:35 AS MUCH AS THE FACT THAT THIS PROGRAM IS IN THE HANDS OF AN INDIVIDUAL AND OF A REGIME
  • 09:41 THAT'S HELL BENT WITH THEIR OWN VOCABULARY IN DECIMATING ISRAEL.
  • 09:46 AND THE FACT THAT THEIR GIVEN TO THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL
  • 09:50 TO ME IS STRIKING AND THEY'RE TOO FAR AWAY TO DO IT CONVENTIONALLY,
  • 09:53 NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT OTHER ISLAMIC STATES ROUND ABOUT HAVE TRIED ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION
  • 09:59 SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THE FLEDGLING STATE IN THE LATE 40'S.
  • 10:04 ALL TO NO AVAIL.
  • 10:06 WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND THE PUSHING OF A BUTTON
  • 10:10 SOMEONE CAN DO SOMETHING,
  • 10:12 ANNIHILATE A NATION STATE.
  • 10:15 NOW THERE IS REASON FOR CONCERN.
  • 10:19 NOT JUST BECAUSE A NATION STATE HAS THAT CAPABILITY
  • 10:23 BUT BECAUSE THAT VERY SAME NATION STATE HAS EXPRESSED THEIR OWN INTENTION
  • 10:28 AS A CORE VALUE, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S MARGINAL, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PERIPHERAL
  • 10:32 BUT A CORE VALUE BEING TO QUOTE, "DRIVE ISRAEL INTO THE SEA."
  • 10:37 AND THE FACT THAT THIS CORE VALUE IS ATTACHED TO A PHILOSOPHICAL PERSPECTIVE
  • 10:43 THAT RESONATES DEEPLY IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN AS WELL.
  • 10:47 AND BY THAT I MEAN, IF ONE LOOKS AT THE SHIITE PROGRAM IT IS IN PART FUELED BY....
  • 10:55 NEVER MIND A NUCLEAR OR ATOMIC REACTOR.
  • 10:59 THE REACTOR, THE DRIVER BENEATH THIS INTEREST IN THE NUCLEAR AGE,
  • 11:06 THE DRIVER IS AN ESCHATOLOGY, IT'S A SENSE OF A LAST DAYS' PURPOSE FOR AN ISLAMIC REGIME
  • 11:13 TO MAKE ITS ENTRANCE ONTO THE STAGE OF THE HUMAN DRAMA.
  • 11:17 AND THERE'S MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD THAT HAS GIVEN IN HIS OWN ESTIMATION
  • 11:21 TO BEING THE JOHN THE BAPTIST OF THE NEW ISLAMIC WORLD ORDER,
  • 11:26 A HARBINGER OF IMAM WHOSE GOING TO ARISE FROM HISTORY AND BE IN EFFECT THE ISLAMIC MESSIAH.
  • 11:35 AND THERE ARE PORTENTS OF BAD THINGS TO COME IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT
  • 11:39 OF A WORLD GONE BAD, A WORLD AT WAR.
  • 11:42 AND A NUCLEAR PROGRAM SEEMS TO FACTOR INTO THAT.
  • 11:48 NOW, AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING LIKE AN ALARMIST SPEAKING TO INDIVIDUALS
  • 11:52 THAT WATCH THIS PROGRAM IN AMERICA, EUROPE, THE MIDDLE EAST AND ELSEWHERE,
  • 11:58 MY QUESTION IS, "IS IT UNREASONABLE TO BE CONCERNED?".
  • 12:04 IS IT UNREASONABLE TO THINK WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO THAT?
  • 12:09 AND I WANT TO RAISE THAT QUESTION HERE IN PART,
  • 12:11 BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NAZIS CAME EVER SO CLOSE TO DOING THAT VERY THING
  • 12:18 AND THANK GOD THAT WE NIPPED IT IN THE BUD.
  • 12:24 NOW MY QUESTION IS, DO WE DO WELL TO BE ABLE AT SOME POINT IN TIME SAY,
  • 12:28 "THANK GOD THAT WE DEVELOPED A MECHANISM TO DECISIVELY DEAL WITH THE IRANIAN THREAT."
  • 12:36 OR DO WE LET IT JUST ESCALATE UP UNCHALLENGED AND THEN DEAL WITH THE RESULTS
  • 12:42 WHEN THE BUTTONS GET PUSHED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LOOKING A NUCLEAR RAIN?
  • 12:47 AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THE PHYSICAL SCIENCES,
  • 12:50 I'M A BIBLE TEACHER AND AGAINST THAT BACKDROP
  • 12:53 WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BRING OUT A BIBLICAL MESSAGE NOT TO BE OVERLY PROPHETIC,
  • 12:59 I DON'T LAY SIEGE TO THE CLAIM THAT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY, PRECISELY HOW EVERYTHING PLAYS OUT.
  • 13:04 BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS BIBLICAL TEXT
  • 13:09 THAT LENDS CREDENCE TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF A WORLD ABLAZE IN FIRE.
  • 13:15 AND IT SEEMS MORE THAN JUST CONVENTIONAL FIRE AND AT LEAST RAISES THE POSSIBILITY,
  • 13:20 AND I'M NOT ALONE IN RAISING IT,
  • 13:22 THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE PROPHETICALLY AND PATHETICALLY IN THE LITERATURE
  • 13:27 IS ATTESTATIONS TO A WORLD GONE BAD, A WORLD SET ABLAZE WITH UNCONVENTIONAL WEAPONS.
  • 13:34 AND THE REASON WHY I MENTION THAT IS IF ONE LOOKS IN EZEKIEL,
  • 13:38 CHAPTER 38 IN VERSE 19, GOD SAYS,
  • 13:49 NOW HE SPEAKS OF THE FIRE OF HIS WRATH AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A LEAP TO TALKING ABOUT FIRE
  • 13:55 AS BEING GOD'S JUDGMENT AS IN NUCLEAR BASED ON THAT VERSE.
  • 13:59 IT'S WHAT FOLLOWS IT THAT TO ME IS RATHER STRIKING.
  • 14:02 HE SAYS, AND I QUOTE,
  • 14:27 LET'S EXPLORE THAT IN A MINUTE WHEN I COME BACK I WANT TO DO JUST THAT.
  • 14:43 THAT'S JEFF IN THE ATOM KELLER.
  • 14:45 WE WILL LOOK AT JEFF NEXT WEEK, SAME PLACE,
  • 14:47 TALKING ABOUT EZEKIEL CONTINUING THE TEACHING IN EZEKIEL.
  • 14:51 IT IS AMAZING TO ME HOW CLOSE THE GERMANS CAME TO GETTING AN ATOM BOMB.
  • 14:56 IT JUST SIMPLY AMAZES ME.
  • 14:58 THE TEACHING WAS WONDERFUL,
  • 15:00 TO SEE THE CHURCH AND TO SEE THE ATOM KELLER UNDERNEATH
  • 15:02 WAS JUST INCREDIBLE,
  • 15:04 THE BEAUTY AND THEN THE EVIL UNDERNEATH, AMAZING TO ME.
  • 15:06 THE CONTRAST IS STRIKING.
  • 15:09 AND OUR VIEWERS AFFORD US THE OPPORTUNITY
  • 15:12 TO GO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE DON'T GO. YEAH
  • 15:15 TO TEACH THE BIBLE, TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE IN WORLD AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.
  • 15:18 I DON'T THAT WE WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT ANY OTHER PLACE.
  • 15:21 I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN ANY KIND OF FOOTAGE ON THAT.
  • 15:23 AND THAT REALLY WAS AN EDUCATION FOR ME
  • 15:26 TO SEE ALL THE GOINGS ON,
  • 15:28 THE MACHINATIONS OF THE WORKINGS OF AN ATOM BOMB.
  • 15:31 LIKE YOU SAID ON THE FRONT END,
  • 15:33 "THANK GOD THAT WE WERE THERE AS AMERICANS" THAT IS. RIGHT, RIGHT
  • 15:36 BECAUSE HAD WE'D BEEN SLUGGISH
  • 15:38 AND NOT GOTTEN INTO THE GAME
  • 15:40 THEN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN MARKEDLY DIFFERENT.
  • 15:43 THAT'S RIGHT, NOBODY ELSE CAME TO THE AIDE
  • 15:45 EXCEPT THE AMERICANS.
  • 15:46 I THINK THAT'S JUST AMAZING.
  • 15:48 CERTAINLY, EUROPEANS LOOKED AT AMERICA AS REDEEMERS THEN
  • 15:50 AND NOW PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE AMBIVALENT.
  • 15:52 BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE.
  • 15:53 WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE REDEEMERS.
  • 15:55 WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE WORLD THE RIGHT PLACE.
  • 15:57 AND OTHERS,
  • 15:58 THERE'S A SILENT ARMY ALL OVER EUROPE AND ALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • 16:03 THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING,
  • 16:04 "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE'RE GOING TO STAND UP AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK UP."
  • 16:07 AND ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IS TED PEARCE.
  • 16:09 HE IS A NICE YOUNG MAN, UPCOMING WRITER, SONGWRITER.
  • 16:13 HE WENT TO THIS MARCH.
  • 16:15 IT CHANGED HIS LIFE.
  • 16:17 HERE'S TED.
  • 16:20 IN AMERICA I THINK OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE THINK WE CAN BUY ANYTHING;
  • 16:23 HEALING THROUGH PILLS OR WHATEVER.
  • 16:26 WE REALLY THINK WE CAN BUY ANYTHING.
  • 16:28 AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN DEALING WITH OUR ENEMIES IN THE WORLD
  • 16:34 IS WE THINK WE CAN BUY THEM.
  • 16:36 AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY LIKE IT IS TO AMERICANS.
  • 16:41 IF I HAD TO GO FOR THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM THAT'S WHAT I'D SAY IT IS.
  • 16:44 WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE KIND OF HATRED THAT'S BEING DIRECTED AT US.
  • 16:49 AGAIN, BECAUSE WE THINK WE CAN BUY LOVE
  • 16:55 OR AT LEAST BUY RESPECT.
  • 16:58 AND SO I DON'T... TOO MANY AMERICANS, NOT ALL OF US OF COURSE,
  • 17:01 BUT TOO MANY AMERICANS DON'T HAVE NO GRASP OF THE SITUATIONS,
  • 17:05 THEY HAVE NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TO.
  • 17:07 THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO WAKE UP WITH NOTHING ON THEIR MIND EXCEPT
  • 17:13 "HOW ARE WE GOING TO KILL THE JEWS AND THE AMERICANS AND THE CHRISTIANS."
  • 17:16 AND WE WAKE UP OBSESSED
  • 17:18 ABOUT BRITTANY SPEARS HAIRCUT
  • 17:19 AND ANNA NICOLE'S BABY.
  • 17:21 SO WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
  • 17:22 WE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
  • 17:25 TED'S GOOD PEOPLE, HE'S REGULAR PEOPLE,
  • 17:27 HE'S AN ORDINARY GUY THAT HAD AN EXTRAORDINARY VISION
  • 17:31 AND HE THREW HIS ENERGY BEHIND IT.
  • 17:33 NOW HE TRAVELS AS A MUSIC MINISTER TEACHING ABOUT JESUS,
  • 17:36 SINGING ABOUT THE JEWS, PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.
  • 17:38 GREAT GUY ISN'T HE?
  • 17:40 (Sandra speaking) HE IS, IN FACT HIS SISTER-IN-LAW WORKS FOR OUR MINISTRY.
  • 17:43 SO AND IT'S JUST BEEN A REAL BLESSING TO GET TO KNOW BOTH OF THEM.
  • 17:46 I KNEW HIM BEFORE HE WAS ENGAGED IN FULL TIME MUSIC MINISTRY.
  • 17:49 NOW HE'S A RISING STAR IN THE WHOLE MUSIC WORLD. HE REALLY IS.
  • 17:52 YOU MENTION TED PEARCE
  • 17:53 AND EVERYBODY LOVES WHAT HE DOES.
  • 17:54 BUT I LIKED HIS INTERVIEW.
  • 17:56 I REALLY LIKE THE POINTS THAT HE MADE ABOUT
  • 17:58 AMERICANS BEING SO CONCERNED WITH CELEBRITIES,
  • 18:01 BEING CONCERNED THAT WE THINK WE CAN BUY ANYTHING IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
  • 18:06 THAT'S OUR PROBLEM.
  • 18:07 AND IF SOME OF THESE INTERVIEWS
  • 18:09 AND SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN
  • 18:11 DOESN'T MAKE PEOPLE STAND UP,
  • 18:13 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO JEFF? YEAH
  • 18:15 REALLY, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE
  • 18:17 FOR US TO STAND UP AND SAY THAT'S ENOUGH?
  • 18:19 WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO STAND UP
  • 18:21 AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE STORIES OF THOSE WHO DO.
  • 18:25 YEAH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ERGUN CANER WHO ZOLA INTERVIEWED.
  • 18:28 REALLY A SWEET GUY, DEAN OF SEMINARY AT LIBERTY COLLEGE
  • 18:31 AND JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT
  • 18:34 KEN CALLS AGAIN AND SAYS,
  • 18:36 "WE'RE BRINGING A MUSLIM OVER TO INTERVIEW WITH YOU."
  • 18:38 AND IT MAKES YOU PAUSE FOR A MOMENT
  • 18:40 UNTIL HE WALKS IN THE DOOR
  • 18:42 AND HE IS A NEW CREATION
  • 18:45 AND HE LOVES THE LORD
  • 18:46 AND I REALLY, REALLY WANT YOU TO WATCH THIS.
  • 18:50 ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE ATTACKED
  • 18:52 AND NOW WHEN I GO ON A SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW,
  • 18:55 "WHY DO THEY HATE US?",
  • 18:57 "DOES THE KORAN REALLY TEACH THAT THEY SHOULD KILL US?"
  • 19:02 THIS SORT OF QUESTION.
  • 19:03 DR. LEVITT YOU AND I
  • 19:05 BOTH FACE THIS
  • 19:06 WHEREVER WE SPEAK,
  • 19:07 WHENEVER YOU GO IN A PLACE
  • 19:09 AND I GO IN A PLACE
  • 19:11 WE HEAR THIS ON TELEVISION, IN THE NEWS, ON THE RADIO
  • 19:14 THAT WE HEAR THESE APOLOGISTS FOR ISLAM SAYING,
  • 19:17 "JIHAD IS A STRUGGLE."
  • 19:18 "IT MEANS WE ARE PEACE LOVING."
  • 19:20 "ISLAM MEANS PEACE AND SUBMISSION."
  • 19:22 AND IT DOES.
  • 19:23 AND IN AMERICA THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS
  • 19:26 ARE HORRIFIED BY WHAT TOOK PLACE.
  • 19:28 BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HERE IN AMERICA JIHAD IS A THEORY.
  • 19:33 THERE'S NEVER BEEN A DECLARED JIHAD BY THE CALIPHATE, BY THE LEADERS HERE IN AMERICA.
  • 19:37 IN EUROPE AND IN ISRAEL AND IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA,
  • 19:42 IT'S NOT THEORY, ITS LIFE, IT'S WHAT WE LIVE WITH.
  • 19:45 WHAT GETS TO ME IS THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT'S WHAT WE TEACH BUT WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT.
  • 19:51 BUT YOU CANNOT REDACT,
  • 19:52 YOU CANNOT GO BACK AND CHANGE WHAT THE KORAN SAYS.
  • 19:55 AS A YOUNG MAN I WAS IN THE ISLAMIC YOUTH JIHAD
  • 19:58 AS WAS MY BROTHER, AND BOTH OF MY BROTHERS.
  • 20:01 WE WERE IN YOUTH GROUPS THAT WE'RE TAUGHT THESE VERSES OF THE HADITH.
  • 20:06 THE HADITH YOU KEEP MENTIONING IS MUHAMMAD'S SAYINGS?
  • 20:09 MUHAMMAD'S SAYINGS, YES, THE SAYINGS
  • 20:10 ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THEM SAYS IT'S NARRATED BY SOMEONE
  • 20:14 AND THEN "MUHAMMAD SAID," AND THIS IS THEIR QUOTE.
  • 20:17 I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE DR. LEVITT.
  • 20:21 WHY DON'T YOU CALL ME ZOLA,
  • 20:23 NOBODY CALLS ME DOCTOR LEVITT. (Zola laughing)
  • 20:24 YOU'RE A MAN I'VE WATCHED ON TELEVISION ALL MY LIFE, SO...
  • 20:28 BUT HADITH 950 SAYS,
  • 20:30 "NO ONE CAN BE KILLED FOR KILLING AN INFIDEL."
  • 20:33 HADITH 957 SAYS,
  • 20:35 "IF A MAN CHANGES HIS ISLAMIC RELIGION KILL HIM."
  • 20:39 THAT'S NOT AMBIGUOUS.
  • 20:40 YEAH, IT'S NOT AMBIGUOUS BUT IT'S VERY STRANGE.
  • 20:42 I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT SAYS
  • 20:44 IF YOU CONVERT, SOMEWHERE, THEY'LL KILL YOU.
  • 20:46 AND IT'S VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
  • 20:48 THERE IS IN THE KORAN A REDACTION.
  • 20:51 THEY WOULD SAY ABRAHAM WAS NOT A JEW OR A CHRISTIAN BUT WAS A GOOD MUSLIM.
  • 20:54 I MEAN THAT IS A QUOTE IN THE KORAN.
  • 20:55 I'VE HEARD IT.
  • 20:57 AND SO THERE IS A REDACTION
  • 20:58 BUT FOR NOW FOR THESE MEN TO COME ON TELEVISION AND SAY,
  • 21:01 "WE DON'T BELIEVE IN JIHAD."
  • 21:03 "JIHAD IS NOT THAT"
  • 21:05 "THAT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING."
  • 21:06 TO ME THAT'S DISINGENUOUS.
  • 21:09 IS IT REALLY A HOLY WAR TO SNEAK IN AND BOMB PEOPLE EATING PIZZA,
  • 21:14 THIS KIND OF VERY CHEAP....?
  • 21:17 THE ACT OF JIHAD ARE IN THEOLOGICAL TERMS THEY'RE HIERARCHIALISTS.
  • 21:22 THEY BELIEVE THAT THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.
  • 21:25 AND SO TO KILL INNOCENTS,
  • 21:27 THE BLURRING OF THE LINE EVEN HERE IN AMERICA IS NOW....
  • 21:29 THERE ARE NO CIVILIANS ANYMORE, WE ARE ALL SOLDIERS.
  • 21:32 AND IN JIHAD THAT'S THE TEACHING.
  • 21:33 IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ERGUN.
  • 21:35 THOSE CHILDREN IN A PIZZA EATING THEIR PIZZA THERE
  • 21:37 IN THE QUADRANT OF THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM,
  • 21:41 THEY ARE PART OF THE STRUGGLE.
  • 21:43 EITHER THEY ARE AGAINST US OR THEY ARE WITH US.
  • 21:45 MUSLIMS WHO DIED IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
  • 21:47 WHO WERE IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ITSELF,
  • 21:49 THEY BELIEVED THEY DIED AS MARTYRS AS WELL.
  • 21:51 AND SO EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE CIVILIANS, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT,
  • 21:55 PERHAPS EVEN NOMINAL MUSLIMS,
  • 21:56 THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY TRANSLATED INTO PARADISE.
  • 21:59 THE PROMISE WAS THIS...
  • 22:01 THE PROMISE IN THE KORAN,
  • 22:03 THE PROMISE IN THE HADITH IS THE TEACHING THAT
  • 22:05 IF YOU DIE AS A MARTYR IN AN ACT OF JIHAD AL-ASGHAR,
  • 22:08 IN AN ACT OF DECLARED JIHAD
  • 22:11 YOU ARE FORGIVEN.
  • 22:13 ALL THE SCALES ON THE LEFT SHOULDER ARE ERASED
  • 22:15 AND ALL YOUR BAD DEEDS ARE FORGOTTEN
  • 22:17 AND YOU ARE TRANSLATED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF PARADISE.
  • 22:20 AND SO THE PROMISE WAS MADE.
  • 22:22 MOHAMED ATTA AND THE REST OF THEM...
  • 22:24 THAT'S THE TERRORIST THAT FLEW THE AIRPLANE INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.
  • 22:27 YES SIR, YES SIR.
  • 22:29 THEY WERE PROMISED IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS
  • 22:31 AND TRANSLATION TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF ALLAH'S ABODE
  • 22:34 WHICH THEY CALL PARADISE.
  • 22:36 JIHAD IS A VERY ARTICULAR ACT.
  • 22:39 THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC RULES.
  • 22:41 YEAH, TELL ME THE 3 LEVELS OF THE JIHAD.
  • 22:43 THIS IS THE ARAB WAR SO TO SPEAK.
  • 22:45 THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE WEBSITES AND FIND THE GUIDES
  • 22:50 THAT WERE WRITTEN IN LETTERS WRITTEN TO THE TERRORISTS
  • 22:52 BEFORE THEY WENT INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER OF WHAT THEY HAD...
  • 22:54 THE STEPS THEY HAD TO FOLLOW BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GOT ON THE PLANE.
  • 22:58 ACTS OF SHAVING, ACTS OF ABLUTION AND WASHING AND ACTS OF PUTTING ON COLOGNE
  • 23:03 AND THEY'RE ACTS THAT YOU MUST GO THROUGH.
  • 23:05 JIHAD IS VERY SPECIFIC.
  • 23:07 THERE ARE 3 LEVELS TO JIHAD,
  • 23:10 OR 3 ACTS OF JIHAD
  • 23:12 THAT ARE EXTRAPOLATED IN THE HADITH AND IN THE KORAN.
  • 23:15 THE FIRST ACT IS THAT ACT OF SHOCK,
  • 23:18 AN ACT THAT TAKES THE INFIDEL AND SHAKES HIM OUT OF HIS COMFORT ZONE WHICH....
  • 23:24 THEY SURE ACCOMPLISHED THAT AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.
  • 23:27 ABSOLUTELY, HOW MUCH MORE CAN THEY SHOCK US?
  • 23:29 THE 2ND ACT, HOWEVER, IS WHEN JIHAD IS DESCRIBED IN TERMS
  • 23:32 OF AN ACT OF VULNERABILITY,
  • 23:36 TO SHOW US THAT AS MUCH AS YOU PROTECT YOURSELF YOU ARE NOW VULNERABLE,
  • 23:40 YOU ARE STILL SUSCEPTIBLE TO ATTACK.
  • 23:43 AND SO A 2ND ACT OF JIHAD MAY NOT BE HERE IN AMERICA.
  • 23:46 IT MAY BE EMBASSIES, IT MAY BE IN ENGLAND
  • 23:48 BUT SOMETHING THAT WHERE WE ARE THINKING THAT WE ARE PROTECTING OURSELVES
  • 23:52 AND SECURE AND YET THE ACT CUTS TO THE HEART OF IT.
  • 23:56 THE 3RD ACT OF JIHAD IS AN ACT OF HUMILIATION.
  • 23:59 IT IS SUPPOSED TO EMASCULATE THE PEOPLE
  • 24:02 AND IN SO DOING IT CUTS US OFF AT OUR KNEES.
  • 24:06 IT MAKES US THE WEAKER VESSEL AND THUS WE'RE OVERTAKEN.
  • 24:10 THAT'S THE WAY JIHAD IS TRADITIONALLY TAUGHT.
  • 24:12 IF WE HAD NOT ACTED SWIFTLY AS A COUNTRY,
  • 24:16 IF WE HAD NOT ACTED SWIFTLY AND LOUDLY
  • 24:19 AND OUR PRESIDENT GOING ON TELEVISION AND SAYING,
  • 24:21 "THIS IS WAR."
  • 24:22 "THIS WAS AN ACT OF WAR."
  • 24:24 IF WE HAD NOT THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PERCEIVED AS WEAK.
  • 24:26 AND IN THAT PERCEPTION THEY WOULD HAVE DONE MUCH WORSE.
  • 24:28 THE RESPONSE WOULD BE MUCH WORSE
  • 24:30 BECAUSE A WEAK ENEMY IS TO BE OVERTAKEN.
  • 24:33 A STRONG ENEMY IS TO BE ENGAGED.
  • 24:35 BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING THIS STRUGGLE,
  • 24:38 THE JIHAD, TO THEM ANYTHING IS JUSTIFIED IN THE ACT OF FIGHTING ALLAH'S GLORIOUS CAUSE.
  • 24:45 AND YOU LISTEN BIN LADEN GOES ON THE TAPE
  • 24:47 HE IS PRAISING THOSE MEN, CALLS THEM MARTYRS, WHO DID THIS HEINOUS ACT.
  • 24:54 BECAUSE TO THEM THE END,
  • 24:55 WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF WINNING ALLAH'S LAND BACK IN THE CASE OF JERUSALEM
  • 25:00 OR TO FIGHTING AGAINST THE SATAN WHICH IS THE PURPOSE HERE IN AMERICA,
  • 25:04 THAT'S THE ULTIMATE END.
  • 25:06 AND SO THE INDIVIDUAL ISN'T IMPORTANT,
  • 25:07 THE CORPORATE AIM IS THAT WHICH IS SUPREME.
  • 25:10 DR. CANER IS A GREAT GUY AND HE REMINDS ME THAT THE LORD GETS INTO PEOPLE'S HEARTS
  • 25:14 NO MATTER THEIR BACKGROUND, ISLAMIC, HINDU, WHATEVER
  • 25:18 AND GOD CAN CHANGE PEOPLE AND BRING US TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE OF ONE.
  • 25:23 WELL, AN UNBELIEVER BECOMES A BELIEVER, THEIR HEARTS CHANGE.
  • 25:26 PAUL SAYS WE ARE A NEW CREATION.
  • 25:28 AND WE ARE A NEW CREATION.
  • 25:30 THAT'S WHAT SO INTERESTING ABOUT ERGUN CANER
  • 25:32 WAS THAT HE WALKS IN THE DOOR AND HE IS A NEW CREATION.
  • 25:35 AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN HIS FACE,
  • 25:37 HIS DEMEANOR IS WONDERFUL.
  • 25:38 RIGHT AND I BELIEVE THAT HE CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART
  • 25:40 THE ANSWER FOR THE WORLD. RIGHT
  • 25:42 AND THAT IS TO BE BORN ANEW,
  • 25:44 TO BE RE-CREATED, TO BECOME A NEW CREATURE IN GOD'S MESSIAH, JESUS.
  • 25:48 ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEACE.
  • 25:50 HEBREW IS SHALOM,
  • 25:53 ISLAM IS NOT... MEANS PEACE, IT MEANS SUBMISSION,
  • 25:57 BUT THEY ALSO SAY "SALAM" WHICH MEANS PEACE.
  • 26:00 RIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT FROM THE CULTURE AND DON'T KNOW THE LANGUAGE,
  • 26:03 THEY SOUND ALIKE.
  • 26:04 PEOPLE THINK THAT ISLAM'S THE RELIGION OF PEACE.
  • 26:06 AND I SAY, YES, THEY WANT TO HAVE A PIECE IN THIS
  • 26:08 AND A PIECE OF THAT COUNTRY AND A PIECE OF THIS
  • 26:09 AND ONCE THEY HAVE ALL THE PIECES
  • 26:11 THEN THERE'LL BE PEACE ON EARTH CAUSE THEY HAVE THE PUZZLE.
  • 26:14 BUT THAT IS THEIR AGENDA.
  • 26:15 THEY MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR IT.
  • 26:17 THEY ARE VERY OPEN AND SAY,
  • 26:19 "WE WANT THE WHOLE WORLD TO BE ISLAMIC,"
  • 26:22 "EITHER BY THE SWORD OR ANY OTHER WAY WE CAN TAKE IT."
  • 26:25 THEIR GOING TO DO IT.
  • 26:26 RIGHT AND I WANT THE WORLD TO HAVE PEACE BY THE SWORD
  • 26:28 AND IT'S THE SWORD OF SPIRIT THAT'S THE WORD OF GOD
  • 26:30 THAT PIERCES HEARTS AND INVITES PEOPLE TO BE TRANSFORMED IN JESUS NAME.
  • 26:34 AND ISN'T THAT WHAT WE WANT FOR ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING TO US?
  • 26:36 GOD BLESS YOU AND
  • 26:38 "SHA' ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM"
  • 26:39 PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.
  • 26:43 OUR OFFER ON THIS PROGRAM;

Episodes in this series

  1. When Darkness Once Prevailed
  2. Out of the Darkness
  3. Dark Night of the Soul
  4. Bright Lights in a Darkened World
  5. The Darkness That Nearly Engulfed Us
  6. Letting the Sun Shine
  7. A Star That Breaks Through the Darkness
  8. Heavenly Light From Hellish Darkness

Bonus Material

Guests

Ted Pearce
Zola Levitt
Ergun Caner

Hosts

Sandra Levitt
Jeff Seif
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