Caption transcript for Age of Terror Continued: “Academic Terrorism” with Joan Peters, Part 1 (1/12)

• 00:28 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:29 MY GUEST TONIGHT IS ONE THE VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE WE GET FROM TIME >>TO TIME,
• 00:33 JOAN PETERS IS THE AUTHOR IS A CLASSIC, "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL"
• 00:38 AND THIS LADY IS, YOU KNOW WHEN >>HEAR A NEWS COMMENTATOR SAY "I WENT RIGHT TO THE SOURCE"
• 00:45 OR YOU'RE READING A BOOK BY AN >>OPINION MAKER WHO SAYS, "I CONSULTED THE SOURCE".
• 00:51 JOAN PETERS IS THE SOURCE.
• 00:53 YOU ARE THE BEGINNING OF THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK.
• 00:57 YOU HAVE A NEW DISTINCTION; THIS BOOK WAS WRITTEN 20 YEARS AGO.
• 01:01 I WROTE SOME BOOK 20 YEARS AGO >>AND THEY'RE OUT OF PRINT.
• 01:04 UNLESS I PRINT THEM MYSELF, PUBLISHERS DON'T CALL AND SAY
• 01:08 "I WANT TO PRINT YOUR OLD BOOK AGAIN."
• 01:10 BUT, THEY DO WITH THIS.
• 01:12 THIS YEAR YOU'RE PRINTING 15,000 MORE BOOKS.
• 01:16 WELL, IT GOES THAT WAY EVERY YEAR.
• 01:17 IT HAS BEEN USED CONSISTENTLY >>FOR TEXTS, TEXTBOOKS IN SCHOOLS.
• 01:22 AMAZON HAS IT, IT'S AN AMAZINGLY >>LOW NUMBER ON AMAZON
• 01:27 CONSIDERING HOW SOME OF THE NEW >>BOOKS ARE OUT AND THEY HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER
• 01:33 MEANING THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A >>LOWER NUMBER, I GUESS IT MEANS >>THEY ARE MORE POPULAR.
• 01:40 SURE.
• 01:40 IT MEANS THEY'RE 1000TH ON THE >>LIST INSTEAD OF 10,000.
• 01:44 I'M IN THE 100,000'S WITH MY BOOKS.
• 01:46 BUT, IT DOES STILL GET AROUND.
• 01:49 I HAVE A LOT OF VERY WONDERFUL >>FEEDBACK FROM IT.
• 01:52 I JUST WISHED THAT EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT'S IN THE BOOK.
• 01:56 TELL ME THE STORY.
• 01:57 WHEN YOU WROTE IT, YOU WENT OVER, TO START WITH,
• 02:00 YOU WENT TO ISRAEL TO HELP THE >>PALESTINIANS, DIDN'T YOU.
• 02:02 WELL THEY DIDN'T CALL THEM PALESTINIANS THEN.
• 02:04 THEY CALLED THEMSELVES >>THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
• 02:07 YES, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT >>BECAUSE THE RHETORIC IS EVERYTHING IN TODAY'S SOCIETY
• 02:13 BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET, NOW IT'S EVEN MORE SO,
• 02:15 BUT TO USE THE NOMENCLATURE "PALESTINIAN" FOR ONE GROUP
• 02:22 WHEN THERE ARE 2 GROUPS TRYING TO VIE FOR THE SAME TERRITORY.
• 02:25 ONE IMMEDIATELY ASCERTAINS THAT >>THE PERSON BEING CALLED "PALESTINIAN"
• 02:33 IS THE PERSON WHO BELONGS IN PALESTINE.
• 02:36 THEREFORE, THE JEWS ARE THE INTERLOPERS.
• 02:38 IN FACT, IT'S EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
• 02:39 THE JEWS WERE CALLED THE PALESTINIAN BRIGADE
• 02:42 AND THE ARABS DIDN'T WANT TO BE >>CALLED PALESTINIANS, EVER.
• 02:45 THEY WANTED TO BE CALLED SOUTHERN SYRIANS OR OTTOMANS OR ARABS,
• 02:50 BUT NEVER PALESTINIANS.
• 02:52 THEY REJECTED IT.
• 02:53 IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE OF PUBLIC RELATIONS
• 02:55 AND BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD IF >>THEY WERE CALLED PALESTINIANS
• 02:57 THEY MIGHT HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF STEALING THE LAND THAT THEY >>TOOK IT ON.
• 03:02 BUT, WHEN I WENT TO LEBANON IN >>1973, 1974 IT WAS WITH THE IDEA IN MIND
• 03:12 THAT THE ARABS WHO WERE IN CAMPS >>WERE REFUGEES AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT
• 03:18 HAVING BEEN A VERY ACTIVE CIVIL >>RIGHTS-NIK IN THE 60S,
• 03:24 YOU WENT DOWN TO THE SOUTH, >>I DID.
• 03:25 I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI AND THIS >>WAS REALLY KIND OF AN OFF-SHOOT >>OF THAT.
• 03:30 GENERAL TROUBLE MAKER.
• 03:31 I WAS A -WAS I EVER.
• 03:33 OK.
• 03:34 LIKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF US.
• 03:35 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CHANGED.
• 03:36 WE WERE LIBERAL. I STILL AM.
• 03:39 BUT, AS A GOOD CARD-CARRYING LIBERAL, I NEEDED TO GO TO LEBANON AS A WRITER
• 03:46 AND A REPORTER AND I EXPECTED TO FIND THAT WHO WAS GUILTY WAS THE >>UNITED STATES
• 03:54 AND THE ISRAELIS FOR KEEPING THESE GUYS AND GALS IN CAMPS IN LEBANON.
• 04:00 I FOUND INSTEAD, LITTLE >>6 YEAR OLDS HOLDING KALASHNIKOVS >>AND SOVIET MATERIALS
• 04:07 AND THE ARAB LEAGUE KEEPING THEM THERE
• 04:10 WHILE THERE WERE SO MANY >>COUNTRIES TRYING TO GET THEM OUT
• 04:13 AND RESETTLE THEM IN PLACES THAT >>WOULD GIVE THEM WELL BEING.
• 04:16 THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ARABS IN THE CAMPS TO BE GIVEN WELL BEING.
• 04:21 THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE RESETTLED.
• 04:22 WHAT THEY WANTED WAS TO, AS THEY >>PUT IT, TO KEEP THEIR HATRED DIRECTED AGAINST ISRAEL.
• 04:31 SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
• 04:32 BUT, WHAT I FOUND, WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT, I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT THERE HAD BEEN JEWISH REFUGEES.
• 04:39 JEWISH REFUGEES WHICH NUMBERED >>MORE THAN THE ARAB REFUGEES IN 1948
• 04:46 WHO CAME FROM ARAB COUNTRIES, >>WHOSE LAND WAS STOLEN FROM THE >>ARAB COUNTRIES
• 04:51 BECAUSE THEY WERE FLEEING FOR THEIR LIVES FROM THESE ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 04:56 AND SO WHEN THEY GOT TO WHAT BECAME THE NATION ISRAEL, THEY REPORTED TO CAMPS,
• 05:03 BUT SINCE, OF COURSE, THE CAMPS >>BECAME HOMES
• 05:06 AND THE CAMPS WERE ERADICATED BY >>THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL,
• 05:10 WHICH WANTED TO GIVE THEM >>PERMANENT HOUSING, AND WHAT THEY >>CALLED REHABILITATION,
• 05:15 THEY BECAME ISRAELI CITIZENS, BONAFIDE.
• 05:18 THE ARABS WERE INTENTIONALLY CREATED AS A "HUMAN BOMB"
• 05:25 AND AT THE TIME I WROTE MY BOOK >>IN 1984 IT WAS PUBLISHED,
• 05:30 I CALLED THEM "HUMAN BOMBS" VIRTUALLY.
• 05:32 I FELT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO >>BE A BOMB SHELL AS A VIRTUAL POLITICAL PROBLEM,
• 05:40 BUT IT NEVER DAWNED ON ME THAT >>THEY WERE GOING TO LITERALLY BLOW THEMSELVES UP IN BODY.
• 05:47 OH, YES, YOUR TERM HUMAN BOMBS >>WAS UNFORTUNATELYLY VERY ACCURATE.
• 05:51 IT WAS A BIG AWAKENING FOR ME >>AND THEN I WAS ASKED TO WRITE A >>BOOK ABOUT IT
• 05:57 BECAUSE I DID A LOT OF WORK FOR CBS AND I DID A LOT OF ARTICLES FOR MAGAZINES
• 06:02 AND DOUBLEDAY ASKED ME TO WRITE >>A BOOK SO I SAID, "OF COURSE I WOULD."
• 06:08 THEN I WENT ABOUT WRITING AN OUTLINE AND I GAVE IT TO THEM
• 06:12 AND THEN I WENT ABOUT RESEARCHING ACCORDING TO THE OUTLINE
• 06:16 AND I FOUND THAT EVERYTHING I THOUGHT I KNEW FELL APART AND THE WHOLE FABRIC JUST--
• 06:22 A LOT OF TRUTH COMES AT YOU WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO OVER TO ISRAEL >>AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
• 06:28 PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED ON MY TOURS.
• 06:30 THEY'VE LISTENED TO CNN AND >>NEW YORK TIMES THEIR WHOLE LIVES
• 06:34 OR THEIR NEWSPAPER AT HOME REPRINTING THIS KIND OF TRIPE
• 06:37 AND THEN THEY GET OVER THERE AND THEY SEE A CLEAN, MODERN COUNTRY >>RUNNING LIKE A WATCH
• 06:42 AND THE PALESTINIAN DEPRESSING >>AREAS AND THE THUGS
• 06:47 AND THE PICKPOCKETS AND NEVER MIND THE SUICIDE BOMBERS.
• 06:52 IT'S SUCH A SHOCK FOR THEM.
• 06:53 THEY'VE BEEN SCHOOLED ONE WAY >>AND SUDDENLY THEY SEE THE TRUTH >>LIKE YOU.
• 06:58 WELL, BUT NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE LOOK >>AT THE TRUTH.
• 07:02 IT MAY BE THERE BUT THEY DON'T >>WANT TO SEE IT.
• 07:05 I FIND NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY >>MISGUIDED SOULS OUT THERE
• 07:12 REPORTING PURE PABLUM, BUT IT'S NOT PABLUM, OF COURSE, IT'S MUCH >>MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT.
• 07:20 IT'S MUCH MORE INFLAMMATORY.
• 07:22 DOES IT START ON OUR CAMPUSES AT >>OUR UNIVERSITIES?
• 07:26 BECAUSE I'VE HAD A FEW EXPERIENCES.
• 07:27 MY VIEWPOINT OF PRO-ISRAEL IS UNWELCOME ALMOST ANYWHERE AT A CAMPUS.
• 07:34 WELL, IT'S MUCH WORSE NOW THAN >>IT WAS,
• 07:35 I WAS WELCOME WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING ON THE MIDDLE EAST AND SPEAKING.
• 07:41 I WAS WELCOME AND THE STUDENTS >>WERE VERY FRIENDLY AND THE ACADEMICS WERE VERY FRIENDLY
• 07:48 AND WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS VERY >>TROUBLING TO ME,
• 07:54 MORE THAN ANY SINGLE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
• 07:56 THERE IS A, THEY REFER TO IT >>VERY BENIGNLY AND VERY WRONGLY >>AS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, PC.
• 08:04 BUT IT ISN'T.
• 08:05 PC IS THIS OVERALL TERM THAT'S >>BEEN USED TO PAINT THIS UGLY BLACK SCENE
• 08:13 INTO WHITE AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY >>FACING IS ACADEMIC TERRORISM.
• 08:18 I SPEAK WITHOUT ANY EXAGGERATION.
• 08:22 I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT ANY NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE >>ON CAMPUSES
• 08:28 THAT HAVE BEEN DESTRUCTIVE OF HUMAN LIVES.
• 08:31 PROFESSORS, STUDENTS, ANYBODY >>WHO BEGAN TO SPEAK IN POSITIVE >>TERMS ABOUT ISRAEL
• 08:39 AS YOU AND I DO WAS IMMEDIATELY >>CASTIGATED OR IN ONE CASE RECENTLY,
• 08:45 THIS IS NOT, I DON'T KNOW >>WHETHER IT'S HAPPENED UNTIL NOW,
• 08:47 BUT THERE WAS AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR OF, I THINK IT'S CALLED "CLASSICAL STUDIES".
• 08:57 I'M NOT SURE OF THE TITLE OF HIS >>SUBJECT, BUT HE'S TAUGHT AT DEPAUL UNIVERSITY IN CHICAGO
• 09:05 FOR 14 YEARS AND WITH A BLEMISH-FREE RECORD.
• 09:10 HE'S A VERY SOBER AND UNPOLITICAL PERSON.
• 09:14 HE WAS IN A STUDENT FAIR WITH A GROUP OF STUDENT BOOTHS AND HE >>APPROACHED ONE BOOTH
• 09:25 AND THEN SAW THERE WERE 2 BOOTHS TOGETHER
• 09:28 AND THEY WERE DISPLAYING ISRAEL >>IN A COMPLETELY FALLACIOUS PREMISE
• 09:36 AND HE SAID THEY WERE SHOWING TRACTORS KILLING, PURPOSELY, INNOCENT CIVILIANS
• 09:43 AND SAYING THAT THEY HAD STOLEN >>THE LAND FROM THE ARABS AND OTHER CLICHED COMPLETE LIES.
• 09:55 SO HE, NOT KNOWING ANY BETTER >>WENT UP TO THE BOOTH AND SAID,
• 10:00 "YOU KNOW, ISRAEL DOES DESERVE TO EXIST"
• 10:04 AND THEY IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO >>SHOUT AT HIM
• 10:08 AND THEY GOT INTO A HEATED >>CONVERSATION FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS 10 OR 15 MINUTES,
• 10:14 BUT IT WAS A CONVERSATION IN WHICH HE DEFENDED ISRAEL.
• 10:20 HE'S BY THE WAY, A CATHOLIC,
• 10:23 A ROMAN CATHOLIC TEACHING AT DEPAUL AND THESE STUDENTS,
• 10:29 WHICH IS A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY.
• 10:29 WHICH IS A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY >>AND THESE STUDENTS WERE ARAB
• 10:36 OR OF THE ARAB POSITION IN THEIR POLITICS
• 10:39 AND THEY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE >>THEY SHOUTED HIM AWAY.
• 10:43 HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY THERE ANY LONGER
• 10:44 BECAUSE HE REALIZED VERY BELATEDLY THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
• 10:48 I'VE BEEN IN THESE ARGUMENTS.
• 10:49 THEY JUST SCREAM AND SHOUT, THEY'RE LOUDISH AND IGNORANT AND HOSTILE
• 10:53 AND THERE'S NO POINT IN STANDING >>AROUND TALKING TO THEM.
• 10:55 WELL, HE THOUGHT THAT HE COULD >>DO SOMETHING BECAUSE HE WAS A VERY NAIVE GUY.
• 11:01 HE'S INTO CLASSICS.
• 11:02 HE TEACHES 14 LANGUAGES. HE ISN'T A MAN OF POLITICS.
• 11:05 WELL, HE DECIDED TO LEAVE AND HE TURNED AROUND, I DON'T KNOW THE >>EXACT DETAILS OF THE STORY,
• 11:11 BUT, I KNOW THAT IN 15 MINUTES >>THOSE STUDENTS
• 11:15 MANAGED TO WRITE LETTERS TO THE >>ADMINISTRATION OF DEPAUL
• 11:19 AND DEPAUL FIRED HIM WITHOUT A >>HEARING, A GENUINE BONAFIDE INSTRUCTOR,
• 11:26 ADJUNCT PROFESSOR FOR 14 YEARS >>AND BECAUSE OF A 15 MINUTE HEATED DISCUSSION WAS FIRED.
• 11:35 I TRIED TO SPEAK AT DANVILLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE,
• 11:39 IT'S JUST A SMALL COLLEGE IN ILLINOIS NEAR CHAMPAGNE
• 11:42 SOME PEOPLE CAME OVER THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS TO HEAR IT.
• 11:44 I'M GLAD THEY DID BECAUSE VIRTUALLY NO STUDENTS FROM DANVILLE CAME
• 11:49 BECAUSE ALL OF MY PUBLICITY WAS >>LOCKED IN A DESK.
• 11:53 OH REALLY.
• 11:54 POSTERS, VIDEO TAPE, ETC. THAT >>WE SEND BEFORE AN ENGAGEMENT.
• 11:57 I DIDN'T CHARGE THEM,NOT EVEN FOR TRAVEL.
• 11:58 I WAS GLAD TO HAVE A PLACE TO WELCOME ME TO SPEAK ON THE ISRAELI POINT OF VIEW
• 12:03 AND THEY SUPPRESSED TO SO SUCCESSFULLY
• 12:05 THAT THERE ALMOST NO ONE FROM >>THEIR COLLEGE AT THE AUDITORIUM.
• 12:10 WHAT DID YOU DO?
• 12:11 I WROTE TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE COLLEGE.
• 12:13 WE HAD A CORRESPONDENCE.
• 12:14 I ACCUSED HIM OF THIS AND THEY >>JUST ACTED LIKE THOSE ARABS,
• 12:17 IT JUST WELL, YOU SAY IT DIDN'T >>HAPPEN OR WHATEVER.
• 12:21 THEY DENIED IT ALL, BUT I >>EXPLAINED HOW IT TOOK AWHILE TO >>DRIVE MY TRAILER THERE
• 12:27 AND GET IT PARKED AND GET TO THE >>COLLEGE AND BE THERE ON TIME
• 12:30 AND BE SHAVED AND DRESSED AND LOOK AT AN AUDIENCE OF LOCAL CHURCH PEOPLE
• 12:34 AND SOME DISTANT UNIVERSITY THAT >>WERE SORT OF MY FANS.
• 12:37 I CAME TO TALK TO THE OPPOSITION, NOT PREACH TO THE CHOIR.
• 12:42 YES.
• 12:43 JOAN, WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK.
• 12:44 IT'S SO INTERESTING TO TALK TO >>YOU, IT REALLY IS.
• 12:47 VISE VERSA.
• 12:48 LISTEN, SHE'S THE HORSE'S MOUTH. >>I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.
• 12:51 SHE REALLY KNOWS HER STUFF ON THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 12:55 SHE'S SOURCE MATERIAL.
• 12:56 HER BOOK "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL" >>IS VIRTUALLY A TEXTBOOK ON THE SUBJECT.
• 13:00 YOU GET IT AT AMAZON, I DON'T MIND PLUGGING THIS BOOK.
• 13:03 "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL", WHICH IS AN ARAB EXPRESSION,
• 13:07 THE PALESTINIANS SAY THEY'VE BEEN IN ISRAEL FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL,
• 13:11 WHEN ACTUALLY THEY INVENTED >>THE NAME "PALESTINIAN" FOR ARABS >>IN 1964.
• 13:17 BACK WITH JOAN PETERS RIGHT AFTER THIS.
• 13:22 ASK FOR OUR FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER
• 13:25 AND OUR CATALOG WITH VIDEOS, BOOKS AND MUSIC.
• 13:28 OUR CORRESPONDENCE COURSE, THE >>INSTITUTE OFJEWISH-CHRISTIAN STUDIES INCLUDES
• 13:34 READING PACKETS, TEACHING CASSETTES AND MAIL IN TESTS.
• 13:38 DID YOU KNOW THAT ZOLA TAKES TOURS TO ISRAEL, GREECE
• 13:41 AND THE HOLY LAND EXPERIENCE >>THEME PARK IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA?
• 13:45 PLEASE CONTACT US FOR MORE INFORMATION.
• 13:51 ♪ FOLLOW ME TO GALILEE.
• 13:53 AND JESUS SAID UNTO THEM, DO NOT BE AFRAID, GO TELL MY BRETHREN >>TO GO INTO GALILEE,
• 14:01 THERE THEY WILL SEE.
• 14:02 IT STRENGTHENS OUR FAITH TO KNOW THAT JESUS WALKED ON THE WATER AND THAT WE CAN CALL OUT TO HIM.
• 14:09 IT MAKES THE WHOLE SCRIPTURES COME TO LIFE.
• 14:22 NOW, WE'RE BACK WITH JOAN PETERS.
• 14:24 DURING THAT TOUR SPOT YOU SAW ISRAEL THE WAY WE SEE IT AND IT'S NOT SPECIAL.
• 14:29 YOU COULD DRIVE ANYWHERE IN ISRAEL AND GET THESE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES.
• 14:33 CNN WILL NOT SHOW THEM TO YOU, >>BUT WE ALWAYS WILL.
• 14:36 WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES CALLED "THIS IS ISRAEL"
• 14:38 IN WHICH YOU GET NOTHING BUT GORGEOUS PICTURES OF THAT GORGEOUS LAND
• 14:43 AND IT REALLY IS GORGEOUS.
• 14:44 THERE ARE ANCIENT SYNAGOGUES >>THROUGHOUT THE LAND THAT WE FILM
• 14:51 AND WE'VE SHOWN THEM IN OUR PROGRAMS.
• 14:52 I MEAN REALLY ANCIENT, THE GOLAN >>HEIGHTS IS IN CONTENTION.
• 14:55 THESE OLD JEWISH SYNAGOGUES FROM >>LONG BEFORE JESUS CAME, THE JEWS WERE THERE.
• 15:01 THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES IN GAZA.
• 15:02 THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES IN SENSITIVE PLACES AND AT THE DIASPORA MUSEUM IN TEL AVIV,
• 15:09 IT'S KIND OF A HISTORY OF THESE >>GRAND OLD EUROPEAN SYNAGOGUES BUILT BY HAND,
• 15:15 WOOD PLANKS, I MEAN TALK ABOUT 3 STORY HIGH BUILDINGS THAT HELD A >>THOUSAND PEOPLE AND SO ON
• 15:21 AND UNFORTUNATELY BURNED AND >>RAZED AND AS DID THE ARABS, THE JORDANIANS DURING 1948 TO 1967,
• 15:33 BLEW UP 58 SYNAGOGUES IN THE OLD CITY.
• 15:37 THEY'RE DOING IT IN EUROPE NOW.
• 15:37 THEY'RE DOING IT IN EUROPE, THEY DESECRATE EVEN THE GRAVEYARDS.
• 15:40 JUST IMAGINE TO PICK ON THE DEAD.
• 15:42 OF COURSE YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY >>FIGHTING BACK.
• 15:45 THAT'S FUNNY LIKE A CRUTCH.
• 15:48 GAZA IS THE ISSUE THESE DAYS.
• 15:51 THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, MAALE ADUMMIM, A SETTLEMENT EAST OF JERUSALEM,
• 15:56 THEY WANT TO CONNECT UP TO JERUSALEM.
• 15:58 IT'S VERY REASONABLE AND LOGICAL >>BUT THERE'S OF COURSE,
• 16:02 THE PALESTINIAN MAKE A GRAND >>TO-DO ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING ON,
• 16:04 BUT IN GAZA IT'S KIND OF A SPECIAL CASE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE PRIME MINISTER SHARON,
• 16:09 AND WITH THE BLESSINGS OF THE KNESSET, WANTS TO MOVE THE SETTLERS OUT
• 16:14 THAT THE GOVERNMENT PREVIOUSLY >>MOVED IN.
• 16:17 WHAT'S YOUR VIEW ON THAT SITUATION?
• 16:20 I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK
• 16:21 BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO TALK >>ABOUT IDENTITY THEFT.
• 16:26 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PIECEMEAL THINGS.
• 16:28 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAALE ADUMMIM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GAZA,
• 16:31 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE >>OF PLACE ON SAMARIA AND JUDEA AND JERUSALEM.
• 16:36 WE'RE NOT REALLY HITTING THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE AND THAT IS
• 16:43 THAT THE ARABS ARE STEALING THE >>IDENTITY OF THE JEWS.
• 16:49 IT IS HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY.
• 16:51 IT IS A LIE BEING TOLD OFTEN ENOUGH, AS GERBEL SAID,
• 16:55 THE NAZI GERBEL SAID, IN THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS,
• 16:59 HE SAID, "IF YOU REPEAT A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH, IT BECOMES BELIEVABLE."
• 17:02 WE ARE OPERATING, ALL OF US, WITHIN THE CAPSULATED VIEW OF THE ENEMY.
• 17:10 YOU EVEN POINTED OUT IN THIS "CAMERAS ON CAMPUS" MAGAZINE WHICH I TAKE MYSELF,
• 17:17 ALAN GERSHOWITZ EVEN REFERRED, >>HE'S SAYS I'M OPPOSED TO THE OCCUPATION.
• 17:24 ALAN GERSHOWITZ, A JEWISH COMMENTATOR IS OPPOSED TO ISRAEL OCCUPYING.
• 17:29 WHAT IS ISRAEL OCCUPYING?
• 17:30 AND HE'S FOR A 2 STATE SOLUTION >>NOW, WHEN NOBODY IS GIVING ANYTHING UP EXCEPT JEWS.
• 17:37 WHY IS THIS SO TURNED AROUND?
• 17:38 YOU KNOW WHY IT IS, IT'S BECAUSE YEAR AFTER YEAR, DECADE AFTER DECADE,
• 17:45 THEY HAVE BEEN POUNDING AWAY THAT THE JEW IS THE OPPRESSOR
• 17:49 AND I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE THE WORST OF THE JEWS
• 17:53 BECAUSE IT JUSTIFIES THE FACT >>THAT THEY LET THEM ALL BURN IN >>HELL IN THE 40S.
• 18:00 I DON'T KNOW WHY ELSE.
• 18:02 WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE, >>BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY--
• 18:05 ANTI-SEMITISM STARTED WITH PHARAOH IN THE BIBLE.
• 18:08 I'LL GIVE YOU ONE THEORY, A SPIRITUAL IDEA, BUT, >>THE JEWS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
• 18:15 IT SAYS IT PLAINLY HERE.
• 18:16 THERE'S NO GETTING AWAY FROM IT.
• 18:17 OTHER PEOPLE RESENT THAT.
• 18:20 I HAD A JEW WHO WAS A RECONSTRUCTIONIST TELL ME,
• 18:25 RECONSTRUCTIONISTS ARE VERY >>LIBERAL SYNAGOGUE AND HE SAID,
• 18:31 WELL, OUR RABBI SAYS,
• 18:31 "IT IRRITATES PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE, SO WE'LL JUST STOP SAYING IT."
• 18:36 I TOLD HIM, THAT WASN'T MADE UP IN A P.R. OFFICE.
• 18:40 THAT WAS THE "BIG GUY".
• 18:41 I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN >>IRRITATED, THE CAIN PEOPLE HAVE >>KILLED THE ABELS
• 18:46 SINCE THE GARDEN AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT.
• 18:48 I THINK IT'S JUST AN INFECTION THAT GETS IN PEOPLE THAT AREN'T >>THE CHOSEN.
• 18:53 BUT, HOW COME IT HAPPENS THAT THE JEWS DO IT TO THEMSELVES?
• 18:59 WHY ARE THERE SO MANY WHO ARE,
• 19:00 THERE'S A BOOK THAT HAS JUST >>BEEN WRITTEN BY SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEM
• 19:08 AND I THINK HE'S A PSYCHIATRIST >>WHO KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT,
• 19:10 HE'S JUST CAME OUT WITH A BOOK TALKING ABOUT WHY JEWS ARE THEIR >>OWN WORST ENEMY.
• 19:16 WELL, THEY'RE NOT THEIR WORST >>ENEMY, BUT WHY DO THEY GO ALONG >>WITH THEIR ENEMIES.
• 19:20 WHY HAVE THEY, THROUGH HISTORY, >>BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW THEIR ENEMIES?
• 19:26 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS BUT HE SEEMS TO, HIS NAME IS KENNETH LEVIN,
• 19:30 HE'S A PSYCHIATRIST AND THE BOOK HAS THE TITLE HAS THE WORD "OSLO" IN IT.
• 19:37 I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, >>I'M SORRY.
• 19:39 I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU.
• 19:40 WHY GO INTO THIS WHOLE SELF-PUNISHING PEACE PROCESS.
• 19:42 BUT, I THINK IT'S VERY INSTRUCTIVE AND I WANT TO READ IT.
• 19:46 BUT, WHY ARE THE JEWS, >>FOR EXAMPLE, CONTINUALLY SAYING,
• 19:49 ISRAELI JEWS, WE CAN WORK WITH >>ABBAS, MAHMOUD ABBAS,
• 19:51 THE NEW PALESTINIAN LEADER WHO WAS ARAFAT'S FLUNKY
• 19:55 AND NOW ACCIDENTALLY HAS LANDED >>IN ARAFAT'S JOB WHEN THE DICTATOR DIED.
• 19:59 AND ON THAT SUBJECT, WHY, WHEN >>THE DICTATOR PERISHES AND WE NEED A NEW DICTATOR
• 20:05 DO WE CALL THAT AN ELECTION EQUAL TO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN?
• 20:09 EXACTLY.
• 20:09 THEY SIMPLY APPOINTED THE #2 MAN AND TOLD THE PEOPLE THEY BETTER >>GET TO THE POLLS
• 20:13 WHEN THE PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE THERE >>AND WE HAVE A NEW DICTATOR.
• 20:16 BUT, WHY ARE THE ISRAELIS EVEN >>DEALING WITH SUCH A PERSON?
• 20:21 WHY?
• 20:22 I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY.
• 20:22 WELL, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE >>TREATY HAS BEEN ABROGATED.
• 20:28 THEY'VE ALREADY ABROGATED THE SO-CALLED--
• 20:30 THE PALESTINIANS HAVE.
• 20:31 BUT THE SO-CALLED PEACE THAT BUSH HAS BEEN INITIATING, THE ROAD MAP,
• 20:37 HASN'T BEEN 60 SECONDS OF PEACE SINCE THE PALESTINIANS STARTED >>UP IN 1964.
• 20:41 WELL, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING >>BUT FOMENT MORE TERROR AND >>THEY'VE GOTTEN THE MISSILES NOW.
• 20:47 THEY'VE GOT THE MEANS TO GET THE >>MISSILES OVER.
• 20:50 THEY'RE DEALING WITH HEZBOLLAH >>STRAIGHT AWAY.
• 20:53 I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON
• 20:54 AND THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S DOING >>ANYTHING ON THIS SO-CALLED BILATERAL TREATY IS ISRAEL.
• 21:02 WHY IS ISRAEL CONTINUING TO GIVE UP, GIVE UP? WHY?
• 21:08 WELL, THEY'RE LOSING.
• 21:09 SOMEBODY SAID, THIS LOOKS LIKE >>A MILITARY DEFEAT.
• 21:13 WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS A MILITARY DEFEAT.
• 21:15 THEY'RE NOT LOSING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIGHT WITH THE PALESTINIANS,
• 21:17 THEY'RE LOSING BECAUSE THE WORLD >>WON'T ALLOW THEM TO USE THEIR >>ARMY, THEIR WEAPONS OR ANYTHING.
• 21:23 THEY HAVE TO COWER, THEY HAVE TO >>TELL THE PEOPLE IN GAZA,
• 21:25 YOU BETTER GET AWAY BECAUSE >>THEY'RE GOING TO SHOOT ROCKETS >>AT YOU
• 21:28 AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT A BATTALION OF SOLDIERS THERE
• 21:31 AND WE CAN'T GO IN AND GET THEM, >>SO THERE'S NO OTHER ANSWER.
• 21:34 COME ON UP HERE AND BE CLOSER TO HOME WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST GET >>AROUND YOU AND PROTECT YOU.
• 21:39 IF THE WORLD DOESN'T LET ISRAEL >>FIGHT, IT WILL GET SMALLER AND SMALLER
• 21:44 AND IN WORLDLY TERMS IT WILL DISAPPEAR.
• 21:47 IN BIBLICAL TERMS, THIS IS VERY >>CLEAR IN PSALM 83
• 22:08 3000 YEARS AGO.
• 22:10 THAT SOUNDS LIKE TODAY'S NEWS.
• 22:13 THAT'S WILD.
• 22:14 I HAVE SOME THINGS I COULD READ ALSO.
• 22:17 I KNOW JOAN.
• 22:18 YOU USED THE WORD COWER.
• 22:20 THAT'S REALLY PAINFUL TO HEAR.
• 22:22 IT'S TRUE, BUT I WONDER IF THE >>ISRAELIS ARE AWARE THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS COWERING?
• 22:30 HOW ABOUT YESTERDAY WHEN THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, DC,
• 22:34 THE GOVERNMENT, THE NATIONAL SECURITY,
• 22:36 RUNNING DOWN THE STREETS FOR THEIR LIVES.
• 22:40 THE WHITE HOUSE EMPTIED,
• 22:41 SENATORS LEAVING THEIR DESK AND >>RUNNING, TALK ABOUT COWERING.
• 22:46 WHY DON'T WE FIGHT?
• 22:47 WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? WE'RE IN A WAR.
• 22:49 WE DIDN'T COWER FOR THE JAPANESE >>OR THE GERMANS.
• 22:52 WHO ARE WE GOING TO FIGHT?
• 22:53 THIS PLANE COULD HAVE HAD A NUCLEAR MISSILE.
• 22:56 IT COULD HAVE HAD, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A BOMB.
• 22:58 AND THAT ONE SINGLE ENGINE PLANE COULD HAVE ZOOMED RIGHT INTO THE >>WHITE HOUSE.
• 23:06 SO, WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.
• 23:08 THE PROBLEM IS WHY DID WE LET IT >>GET TO THAT?
• 23:11 WHEN YOU PLAY CHESS, IF THE GUY'S GOING TO ATTACK YOU,
• 23:15 SOMETIMES THE ANSWER'S ATTACK HIM FIRST AND GET HIM,
• 23:17 NEVER MIND WHICH PIECE IS GOING >>TO DO ME THE DAMAGE.
• 23:21 JUST GET THE GUY.
• 23:22 WHERE?
• 23:23 MAYBE START WHERE THE WAHABISM >>STARTS IN SAUDI ARABIA.
• 23:27 WE CAN'T DO THAT, THOSE ARE THE >>BEST FRIENDS OF THE BUSHES.
• 23:30 BUSH IS FOR SOME REASON PUSHING A PEACE
• 23:34 THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AN ANATHEMA >>TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
• 23:38 HE'S GETTING A GROUP OF PEOPLE >>TOGETHER WHO BELIEVE
• 23:40 AND HAVE SAID THEY BELIEVED IN THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
• 23:44 THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH STATE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THEIR MOVEMENT,
• 23:48 FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE TIME >>THE ARABS INVENTED THE PALESTINIAN REFUGEES
• 23:53 SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE OVER THE >>FIGHT AGAINST ISRAEL,
• 23:57 AGAINST HAVING A JEWISH OR ANY >>OTHER STATE IN THEIR MIDST,
• 24:01 THEY TOOK THIS FIGHT ON AT THE >>TIME WHEN ISRAELIS
• 24:06 DIDN'T HAVE THE FAINTEST IDEA OF >>BEING HATED BY THE ARABS.
• 24:10 THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM THE HOLOCAUST.
• 24:12 THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM THE >>ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 24:15 THEY WERE FINDING SOME KIND OF SALVATION.
• 24:20 DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT IS IN >>A SPOT, I MEAN,
• 24:21 I VOTED FOR BUSH AND I CAN'T >>APPROVE HIS HAVING A VISION FOR >>A PALESTINIAN STATE,
• 24:28 SILLY STATEMENTS LIKE THAT,
• 24:29 BUT, DO YOU THINK HE'S IN A SPOT >>WITH OIL AND SO FORTH
• 24:33 THAT HE HAS TO PLAY ACT FOR THE >>SAUDIS OR SOMETHING?
• 24:36 WHY WOULD HE DO SUCH >>UNREASONABLE THINGS AS TO EVEN >>PROPOSE A PALESTINIAN STATE?
• 24:43 WHAT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE >>LESS CAPABLE TO HAVE A NATION?
• 24:46 I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU I THINK THE REASON >>HE SAID IT
• 24:50 IS BECAUSE THE ISRAELIS SAID IT FIRST.
• 24:52 ACTUALLY WHEN THE ISRAELIS FIRST WENT TO TALK TO ARAFAT SECRETLY
• 24:56 IT WAS PERES WHO BROUGHT IT >>ABOUT, BUT WHEN THEY FIRST WENT >>TO TALK TO ARAFAT,
• 25:01 IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW TO TALK >>TO A TERRORIST
• 25:04 AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WAS >>FURIOUS WITH ISRAEL.
• 25:08 SO WE HAVE TO, IN THIS CASE, THE SOURCE OF IT WAS ISRAEL.
• 25:12 YOU MENTIONED PERES AND YOU ALSO >>MENTIONED A PSYCHIATRIST,
• 25:16 WE INTERVIEWED PERES ON THIS PROGRAM AND FOR HALF AN HOUR
• 25:19 LISTENED TO THIS MAN TELL ME HIS VIEWS
• 25:21 AND AT THE END I WANTED TO SAY >>"DO YOU KNOW A PSYCHIATRIST?"
• 25:24 I MEAN, NOT TO INDICT ONE MAN, >>BUT THAT WHOLE LEFT WING IN ISRAEL,
• 25:30 LIKE THE LEFT WING IN AMERICA IS >>SO COUNTERPRODUCTIVE,
• 25:32 IT'S SO ANTI-NATIONAL AND SO ANTI-DEMOCRATIC.
• 25:36 THEY KOWTOW, THEY DEAL WITH THE >>WORST OF THE TERRORIST.
• 25:40 A WASHINGTON COMMENTATOR >>RECENTLY SAID THAT THE GUYS IN >>HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS,
• 25:48 THEY CALL THEM PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSMEN OR BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS.
• 25:53 BECAUSE, WHY?
• 25:54 BECAUSE THE GUY HAD A TIE ON?
• 25:56 HE PROBABLY HAD A GUN IN HIS POCKET?
• 25:58 THAT'S LANGUAGE.
• 25:58 I'D LAUGHED AT IT WITH YOU EXCEPT FOR ONE THING;
• 26:01 I'M WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE CAMPUSES.
• 26:03 I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S MY LITTLE KIDS,
• 26:06 I HAVE 2 GRANDBABY DAUGHTERS, 2 GRANDBABIES, ONE IS 2 AND ONE IS 9 MONTHS.
• 26:13 CONGRATULATIONS. >>THANK YOU.
• 26:14 BY THE WAY, WE'RE IN OUR LAST MINUTE.
• 26:16 ALRIGHT, REAL FAST.
• 26:17 THOSE KIDS HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE SOME DAY AND IF THEY CAN'T EVEN >>OPEN THEIR MOUTHS
• 26:21 AND SAY WHAT THEY THINK WITHOUT >>BEING EITHER KICKED OUT
• 26:24 OR THEIR INSTRUCTOR BEING KICKED OUT, WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY ARE WE >>GOING TO BE LIVING IN?
• 26:29 SEND THEM TO TEXAS A & M.
• 26:30 I HAD AN EMAIL TODAY 4-5 PAGES >>FROM TEXAS A & M, CHRISTIANS ON CAMPUS, PRO ISRAEL,
• 26:36 MADE SENSE AND IT'S A GREAT BIG >>UNIVERSITY AND A WONDERFUL PLACE.
• 26:42 I CAN RECOMMEND IT.
• 26:44 THERE ARE OTHERS OF COURSE, BUT I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
• 26:47 UNIVERSITIES, COLUMBIA,
• 26:48 I CAN NAME AT LEAST A DOZEN.
• 26:49 TERRIBLE CONDITION THESE DAYS AND THE PROFESSORS AND THE STUDENTS WITH THEM.
• 26:54 WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER PROGRAM, SIT TIGHT,
• 26:59 AND SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.