Caption transcript for Age of Terror Continued: “Academic Terrorism” with Joan Peters, Part 1 (1/12)

• 00:28 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:31 MY GUEST TONIGHT IS ONE THE VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE WE GET FROM TIME TO TIME,
• 00:35 JOAN PETERS IS THE AUTHOR IS A CLASSIC, "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL"
• 00:40 AND THIS LADY IS, YOU KNOW WHEN HEAR A NEWS COMMENTATOR SAY "I WENT RIGHT TO THE SOURCE"
• 00:47 OR YOU'RE READING A BOOK BY AN OPINION MAKER WHO SAYS, "I CONSULTED THE SOURCE".
• 00:52 JOAN PETERS IS THE SOURCE.
• 00:55 YOU ARE THE BEGINNING OF THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK.
• 00:58 YOU HAVE A NEW DISTINCTION; THIS BOOK WAS WRITTEN 20 YEARS AGO.
• 01:03 I WROTE SOME BOOK 20 YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE OUT OF PRINT.
• 01:06 UNLESS I PRINT THEM MYSELF, PUBLISHERS DON'T CALL AND SAY
• 01:09 "I WANT TO PRINT YOUR OLD BOOK AGAIN."
• 01:11 BUT, THEY DO WITH THIS.
• 01:13 THIS YEAR YOU'RE PRINTING 15,000 MORE BOOKS.
• 01:16 WELL, IT GOES THAT WAY EVERY YEAR.
• 01:19 IT HAS BEEN USED CONSISTENTLY FOR TEXTS, TEXTBOOKS IN SCHOOLS.
• 01:24 AMAZON HAS IT, IT'S AN AMAZINGLY LOW NUMBER ON AMAZON
• 01:29 CONSIDERING HOW SOME OF THE NEW BOOKS ARE OUT AND THEY HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER
• 01:35 MEANING THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A LOWER NUMBER, I GUESS IT MEANS THEY ARE MORE POPULAR.
• 01:40 SURE.
• 01:42 IT MEANS THEY'RE 1000TH ON THE LIST INSTEAD OF 10,000.
• 01:45 I'M IN THE 100,000'S WITH MY BOOKS.
• 01:47 BUT, IT DOES STILL GET AROUND.
• 01:50 I HAVE A LOT OF VERY WONDERFUL FEEDBACK FROM IT.
• 01:54 I JUST WISHED THAT EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT'S IN THE BOOK.
• 01:57 TELL ME THE STORY.
• 01:58 WHEN YOU WROTE IT, YOU WENT OVER, TO START WITH,
• 02:01 YOU WENT TO ISRAEL TO HELP THE PALESTINIANS, DIDN'T YOU.
• 02:03 WELL THEY DIDN'T CALL THEM PALESTINIANS THEN.
• 02:06 THEY CALLED THEMSELVES THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
• 02:09 YES, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE THE RHETORIC IS EVERYTHING IN TODAY'S SOCIETY
• 02:14 BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET, NOW IT'S EVEN MORE SO,
• 02:17 BUT TO USE THE NOMENCLATURE "PALESTINIAN" FOR ONE GROUP
• 02:23 WHEN THERE ARE 2 GROUPS TRYING TO VIE FOR THE SAME TERRITORY.
• 02:27 ONE IMMEDIATELY ASCERTAINS THAT THE PERSON BEING CALLED "PALESTINIAN"
• 02:34 IS THE PERSON WHO BELONGS IN PALESTINE.
• 02:37 THEREFORE, THE JEWS ARE THE INTERLOPERS.
• 02:39 IN FACT, IT'S EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
• 02:40 THE JEWS WERE CALLED THE PALESTINIAN BRIGADE
• 02:43 AND THE ARABS DIDN'T WANT TO BE CALLED PALESTINIANS, EVER.
• 02:46 THEY WANTED TO BE CALLED SOUTHERN SYRIANS OR OTTOMANS OR ARABS,
• 02:50 BUT NEVER PALESTINIANS.
• 02:52 THEY REJECTED IT.
• 02:54 IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE OF PUBLIC RELATIONS
• 02:56 AND BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD IF THEY WERE CALLED PALESTINIANS
• 02:59 THEY MIGHT HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF STEALING THE LAND THAT THEY TOOK IT ON.
• 03:03 BUT, WHEN I WENT TO LEBANON IN 1973, 1974 IT WAS WITH THE IDEA IN MIND
• 03:14 THAT THE ARABS WHO WERE IN CAMPS WERE REFUGEES AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT
• 03:19 HAVING BEEN A VERY ACTIVE CIVIL RIGHTS-NIK IN THE 60S,
• 03:25 YOU WENT DOWN TO THE SOUTH, I DID.
• 03:27 I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI AND THIS WAS REALLY KIND OF AN OFF-SHOOT OF THAT.
• 03:30 GENERAL TROUBLE MAKER.
• 03:32 I WAS A -WAS I EVER.
• 03:34 OK.
• 03:35 LIKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF US.
• 03:36 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CHANGED.
• 03:37 WE WERE LIBERAL. I STILL AM.
• 03:41 BUT, AS A GOOD CARD-CARRYING LIBERAL, I NEEDED TO GO TO LEBANON AS A WRITER
• 03:47 AND A REPORTER AND I EXPECTED TO FIND THAT WHO WAS GUILTY WAS THE UNITED STATES
• 03:56 AND THE ISRAELIS FOR KEEPING THESE GUYS AND GALS IN CAMPS IN LEBANON.
• 04:02 I FOUND INSTEAD, LITTLE 6 YEAR OLDS HOLDING KALASHNIKOVS AND SOVIET MATERIALS
• 04:08 AND THE ARAB LEAGUE KEEPING THEM THERE
• 04:11 WHILE THERE WERE SO MANY COUNTRIES TRYING TO GET THEM OUT
• 04:14 AND RESETTLE THEM IN PLACES THAT WOULD GIVE THEM WELL BEING.
• 04:17 THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ARABS IN THE CAMPS TO BE GIVEN WELL BEING.
• 04:22 THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE RESETTLED.
• 04:24 WHAT THEY WANTED WAS TO, AS THEY PUT IT, TO KEEP THEIR HATRED DIRECTED AGAINST ISRAEL.
• 04:31 SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
• 04:34 BUT, WHAT I FOUND, WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT, I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT THERE HAD BEEN JEWISH REFUGEES.
• 04:41 JEWISH REFUGEES WHICH NUMBERED MORE THAN THE ARAB REFUGEES IN 1948
• 04:48 WHO CAME FROM ARAB COUNTRIES, WHOSE LAND WAS STOLEN FROM THE ARAB COUNTRIES
• 04:53 BECAUSE THEY WERE FLEEING FOR THEIR LIVES FROM THESE ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 04:58 AND SO WHEN THEY GOT TO WHAT BECAME THE NATION ISRAEL, THEY REPORTED TO CAMPS,
• 05:04 BUT SINCE, OF COURSE, THE CAMPS BECAME HOMES
• 05:08 AND THE CAMPS WERE ERADICATED BY THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL,
• 05:12 WHICH WANTED TO GIVE THEM PERMANENT HOUSING, AND WHAT THEY CALLED REHABILITATION,
• 05:16 THEY BECAME ISRAELI CITIZENS, BONAFIDE.
• 05:19 THE ARABS WERE INTENTIONALLY CREATED AS A "HUMAN BOMB"
• 05:26 AND AT THE TIME I WROTE MY BOOK IN 1984 IT WAS PUBLISHED,
• 05:31 I CALLED THEM "HUMAN BOMBS" VIRTUALLY.
• 05:34 I FELT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE A BOMB SHELL AS A VIRTUAL POLITICAL PROBLEM,
• 05:42 BUT IT NEVER DAWNED ON ME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LITERALLY BLOW THEMSELVES UP IN BODY.
• 05:48 OH, YES, YOUR TERM HUMAN BOMBS WAS UNFORTUNATELYLY VERY ACCURATE.
• 05:53 IT WAS A BIG AWAKENING FOR ME AND THEN I WAS ASKED TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT
• 05:59 BECAUSE I DID A LOT OF WORK FOR CBS AND I DID A LOT OF ARTICLES FOR MAGAZINES
• 06:03 AND DOUBLEDAY ASKED ME TO WRITE A BOOK SO I SAID, "OF COURSE I WOULD."
• 06:09 THEN I WENT ABOUT WRITING AN OUTLINE AND I GAVE IT TO THEM
• 06:13 AND THEN I WENT ABOUT RESEARCHING ACCORDING TO THE OUTLINE
• 06:18 AND I FOUND THAT EVERYTHING I THOUGHT I KNEW FELL APART AND THE WHOLE FABRIC JUST--
• 06:24 A LOT OF TRUTH COMES AT YOU WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO OVER TO ISRAEL AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
• 06:29 PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED ON MY TOURS.
• 06:31 THEY'VE LISTENED TO CNN AND NEW YORK TIMES THEIR WHOLE LIVES
• 06:35 OR THEIR NEWSPAPER AT HOME REPRINTING THIS KIND OF TRIPE
• 06:39 AND THEN THEY GET OVER THERE AND THEY SEE A CLEAN, MODERN COUNTRY RUNNING LIKE A WATCH
• 06:43 AND THE PALESTINIAN DEPRESSING AREAS AND THE THUGS
• 06:49 AND THE PICKPOCKETS AND NEVER MIND THE SUICIDE BOMBERS.
• 06:52 IT'S SUCH A SHOCK FOR THEM.
• 06:55 THEY'VE BEEN SCHOOLED ONE WAY AND SUDDENLY THEY SEE THE TRUTH LIKE YOU.
• 06:59 WELL, BUT NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE LOOK AT THE TRUTH.
• 07:03 IT MAY BE THERE BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
• 07:07 I FIND NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY MISGUIDED SOULS OUT THERE
• 07:14 REPORTING PURE PABLUM, BUT IT'S NOT PABLUM, OF COURSE, IT'S MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT.
• 07:21 IT'S MUCH MORE INFLAMMATORY.
• 07:24 DOES IT START ON OUR CAMPUSES AT OUR UNIVERSITIES?
• 07:27 BECAUSE I'VE HAD A FEW EXPERIENCES.
• 07:29 MY VIEWPOINT OF PRO-ISRAEL IS UNWELCOME ALMOST ANYWHERE AT A CAMPUS.
• 07:35 WELL, IT'S MUCH WORSE NOW THAN IT WAS,
• 07:37 I WAS WELCOME WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING ON THE MIDDLE EAST AND SPEAKING.
• 07:43 I WAS WELCOME AND THE STUDENTS WERE VERY FRIENDLY AND THE ACADEMICS WERE VERY FRIENDLY
• 07:49 AND WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS VERY TROUBLING TO ME,
• 07:55 MORE THAN ANY SINGLE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
• 07:57 THERE IS A, THEY REFER TO IT VERY BENIGNLY AND VERY WRONGLY AS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, PC.
• 08:05 BUT IT ISN'T.
• 08:06 PC IS THIS OVERALL TERM THAT'S BEEN USED TO PAINT THIS UGLY BLACK SCENE
• 08:14 INTO WHITE AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY FACING IS ACADEMIC TERRORISM.
• 08:19 I SPEAK WITHOUT ANY EXAGGERATION.
• 08:24 I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT ANY NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON CAMPUSES
• 08:29 THAT HAVE BEEN DESTRUCTIVE OF HUMAN LIVES.
• 08:32 PROFESSORS, STUDENTS, ANYBODY WHO BEGAN TO SPEAK IN POSITIVE TERMS ABOUT ISRAEL
• 08:40 AS YOU AND I DO WAS IMMEDIATELY CASTIGATED OR IN ONE CASE RECENTLY,
• 08:46 THIS IS NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S HAPPENED UNTIL NOW,
• 08:49 BUT THERE WAS AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR OF, I THINK IT'S CALLED "CLASSICAL STUDIES".
• 08:59 I'M NOT SURE OF THE TITLE OF HIS SUBJECT, BUT HE'S TAUGHT AT DEPAUL UNIVERSITY IN CHICAGO
• 09:06 FOR 14 YEARS AND WITH A BLEMISH-FREE RECORD.
• 09:11 HE'S A VERY SOBER AND UNPOLITICAL PERSON.
• 09:16 HE WAS IN A STUDENT FAIR WITH A GROUP OF STUDENT BOOTHS AND HE APPROACHED ONE BOOTH
• 09:26 AND THEN SAW THERE WERE 2 BOOTHS TOGETHER
• 09:29 AND THEY WERE DISPLAYING ISRAEL IN A COMPLETELY FALLACIOUS PREMISE
• 09:37 AND HE SAID THEY WERE SHOWING TRACTORS KILLING, PURPOSELY, INNOCENT CIVILIANS
• 09:45 AND SAYING THAT THEY HAD STOLEN THE LAND FROM THE ARABS AND OTHER CLICHED COMPLETE LIES.
• 09:56 SO HE, NOT KNOWING ANY BETTER WENT UP TO THE BOOTH AND SAID,
• 10:01 "YOU KNOW, ISRAEL DOES DESERVE TO EXIST"
• 10:05 AND THEY IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO SHOUT AT HIM
• 10:10 AND THEY GOT INTO A HEATED CONVERSATION FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS 10 OR 15 MINUTES,
• 10:16 BUT IT WAS A CONVERSATION IN WHICH HE DEFENDED ISRAEL.
• 10:21 HE'S BY THE WAY, A CATHOLIC,
• 10:24 A ROMAN CATHOLIC TEACHING AT DEPAUL AND THESE STUDENTS,
• 10:29 WHICH IS A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY.
• 10:31 WHICH IS A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY AND THESE STUDENTS WERE ARAB
• 10:37 OR OF THE ARAB POSITION IN THEIR POLITICS
• 10:40 AND THEY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SHOUTED HIM AWAY.
• 10:44 HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY THERE ANY LONGER
• 10:46 BECAUSE HE REALIZED VERY BELATEDLY THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
• 10:49 I'VE BEEN IN THESE ARGUMENTS.
• 10:50 THEY JUST SCREAM AND SHOUT, THEY'RE LOUDISH AND IGNORANT AND HOSTILE
• 10:54 AND THERE'S NO POINT IN STANDING AROUND TALKING TO THEM.
• 10:57 WELL, HE THOUGHT THAT HE COULD DO SOMETHING BECAUSE HE WAS A VERY NAIVE GUY.
• 11:01 HE'S INTO CLASSICS.
• 11:03 HE TEACHES 14 LANGUAGES. HE ISN'T A MAN OF POLITICS.
• 11:07 WELL, HE DECIDED TO LEAVE AND HE TURNED AROUND, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS OF THE STORY,
• 11:12 BUT, I KNOW THAT IN 15 MINUTES THOSE STUDENTS
• 11:17 MANAGED TO WRITE LETTERS TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF DEPAUL
• 11:21 AND DEPAUL FIRED HIM WITHOUT A HEARING, A GENUINE BONAFIDE INSTRUCTOR,
• 11:28 ADJUNCT PROFESSOR FOR 14 YEARS AND BECAUSE OF A 15 MINUTE HEATED DISCUSSION WAS FIRED.
• 11:37 I TRIED TO SPEAK AT DANVILLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE,
• 11:40 IT'S JUST A SMALL COLLEGE IN ILLINOIS NEAR CHAMPAGNE
• 11:43 SOME PEOPLE CAME OVER THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS TO HEAR IT.
• 11:46 I'M GLAD THEY DID BECAUSE VIRTUALLY NO STUDENTS FROM DANVILLE CAME
• 11:50 BECAUSE ALL OF MY PUBLICITY WAS LOCKED IN A DESK.
• 11:54 OH REALLY.
• 11:55 POSTERS, VIDEO TAPE, ETC. THAT WE SEND BEFORE AN ENGAGEMENT.
• 11:58 I DIDN'T CHARGE THEM,NOT EVEN FOR TRAVEL.
• 12:00 I WAS GLAD TO HAVE A PLACE TO WELCOME ME TO SPEAK ON THE ISRAELI POINT OF VIEW
• 12:05 AND THEY SUPPRESSED TO SO SUCCESSFULLY
• 12:07 THAT THERE ALMOST NO ONE FROM THEIR COLLEGE AT THE AUDITORIUM.
• 12:10 WHAT DID YOU DO?
• 12:12 I WROTE TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE COLLEGE.
• 12:14 WE HAD A CORRESPONDENCE.
• 12:15 I ACCUSED HIM OF THIS AND THEY JUST ACTED LIKE THOSE ARABS,
• 12:18 IT JUST WELL, YOU SAY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN OR WHATEVER.
• 12:23 THEY DENIED IT ALL, BUT I EXPLAINED HOW IT TOOK AWHILE TO DRIVE MY TRAILER THERE
• 12:28 AND GET IT PARKED AND GET TO THE COLLEGE AND BE THERE ON TIME
• 12:31 AND BE SHAVED AND DRESSED AND LOOK AT AN AUDIENCE OF LOCAL CHURCH PEOPLE
• 12:35 AND SOME DISTANT UNIVERSITY THAT WERE SORT OF MY FANS.
• 12:38 I CAME TO TALK TO THE OPPOSITION, NOT PREACH TO THE CHOIR.
• 12:43 YES.
• 12:44 JOAN, WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK.
• 12:45 IT'S SO INTERESTING TO TALK TO YOU, IT REALLY IS.
• 12:48 VISE VERSA.
• 12:49 LISTEN, SHE'S THE HORSE'S MOUTH. I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.
• 12:52 SHE REALLY KNOWS HER STUFF ON THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 12:56 SHE'S SOURCE MATERIAL.
• 12:58 HER BOOK "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL" IS VIRTUALLY A TEXTBOOK ON THE SUBJECT.
• 13:01 YOU GET IT AT AMAZON, I DON'T MIND PLUGGING THIS BOOK.
• 13:05 "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL", WHICH IS AN ARAB EXPRESSION,
• 13:09 THE PALESTINIANS SAY THEY'VE BEEN IN ISRAEL FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL,
• 13:13 WHEN ACTUALLY THEY INVENTED THE NAME "PALESTINIAN" FOR ARABS IN 1964.
• 13:18 BACK WITH JOAN PETERS RIGHT AFTER THIS.
• 13:23 ASK FOR OUR FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER
• 13:26 AND OUR CATALOG WITH VIDEOS, BOOKS AND MUSIC.
• 13:30 OUR CORRESPONDENCE COURSE, THE INSTITUTE OFJEWISH-CHRISTIAN STUDIES INCLUDES
• 13:35 READING PACKETS, TEACHING CASSETTES AND MAIL IN TESTS.
• 13:39 DID YOU KNOW THAT ZOLA TAKES TOURS TO ISRAEL, GREECE
• 13:43 AND THE HOLY LAND EXPERIENCE THEME PARK IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA?
• 13:46 PLEASE CONTACT US FOR MORE INFORMATION.
• 13:52 ♪ FOLLOW ME TO GALILEE.
• 13:55 AND JESUS SAID UNTO THEM, DO NOT BE AFRAID, GO TELL MY BRETHREN TO GO INTO GALILEE,
• 14:01 THERE THEY WILL SEE.
• 14:04 IT STRENGTHENS OUR FAITH TO KNOW THAT JESUS WALKED ON THE WATER AND THAT WE CAN CALL OUT TO HIM.
• 14:10 IT MAKES THE WHOLE SCRIPTURES COME TO LIFE.
• 14:23 NOW, WE'RE BACK WITH JOAN PETERS.
• 14:26 DURING THAT TOUR SPOT YOU SAW ISRAEL THE WAY WE SEE IT AND IT'S NOT SPECIAL.
• 14:30 YOU COULD DRIVE ANYWHERE IN ISRAEL AND GET THESE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES.
• 14:34 CNN WILL NOT SHOW THEM TO YOU, BUT WE ALWAYS WILL.
• 14:37 WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES CALLED "THIS IS ISRAEL"
• 14:40 IN WHICH YOU GET NOTHING BUT GORGEOUS PICTURES OF THAT GORGEOUS LAND
• 14:44 AND IT REALLY IS GORGEOUS.
• 14:46 THERE ARE ANCIENT SYNAGOGUES THROUGHOUT THE LAND THAT WE FILM
• 14:52 AND WE'VE SHOWN THEM IN OUR PROGRAMS.
• 14:53 I MEAN REALLY ANCIENT, THE GOLAN HEIGHTS IS IN CONTENTION.
• 14:56 THESE OLD JEWISH SYNAGOGUES FROM LONG BEFORE JESUS CAME, THE JEWS WERE THERE.
• 15:02 THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES IN GAZA.
• 15:04 THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES IN SENSITIVE PLACES AND AT THE DIASPORA MUSEUM IN TEL AVIV,
• 15:11 IT'S KIND OF A HISTORY OF THESE GRAND OLD EUROPEAN SYNAGOGUES BUILT BY HAND,
• 15:16 WOOD PLANKS, I MEAN TALK ABOUT 3 STORY HIGH BUILDINGS THAT HELD A THOUSAND PEOPLE AND SO ON
• 15:23 AND UNFORTUNATELY BURNED AND RAZED AND AS DID THE ARABS, THE JORDANIANS DURING 1948 TO 1967,
• 15:34 BLEW UP 58 SYNAGOGUES IN THE OLD CITY.
• 15:37 THEY'RE DOING IT IN EUROPE NOW.
• 15:39 THEY'RE DOING IT IN EUROPE, THEY DESECRATE EVEN THE GRAVEYARDS.
• 15:41 JUST IMAGINE TO PICK ON THE DEAD.
• 15:43 OF COURSE YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY FIGHTING BACK.
• 15:45 THAT'S FUNNY LIKE A CRUTCH.
• 15:49 GAZA IS THE ISSUE THESE DAYS.
• 15:53 THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, MAALE ADUMMIM, A SETTLEMENT EAST OF JERUSALEM,
• 15:57 THEY WANT TO CONNECT UP TO JERUSALEM.
• 15:59 IT'S VERY REASONABLE AND LOGICAL BUT THERE'S OF COURSE,
• 16:03 THE PALESTINIAN MAKE A GRAND TO-DO ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING ON,
• 16:06 BUT IN GAZA IT'S KIND OF A SPECIAL CASE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE PRIME MINISTER SHARON,
• 16:11 AND WITH THE BLESSINGS OF THE KNESSET, WANTS TO MOVE THE SETTLERS OUT
• 16:15 THAT THE GOVERNMENT PREVIOUSLY MOVED IN.
• 16:18 WHAT'S YOUR VIEW ON THAT SITUATION?
• 16:20 I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK
• 16:23 BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IDENTITY THEFT.
• 16:27 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PIECEMEAL THINGS.
• 16:29 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAALE ADUMMIM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GAZA,
• 16:32 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF PLACE ON SAMARIA AND JUDEA AND JERUSALEM.
• 16:38 WE'RE NOT REALLY HITTING THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE AND THAT IS
• 16:44 THAT THE ARABS ARE STEALING THE IDENTITY OF THE JEWS.
• 16:50 IT IS HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY.
• 16:52 IT IS A LIE BEING TOLD OFTEN ENOUGH, AS GERBEL SAID,
• 16:57 THE NAZI GERBEL SAID, IN THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS,
• 17:00 HE SAID, "IF YOU REPEAT A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH, IT BECOMES BELIEVABLE."
• 17:04 WE ARE OPERATING, ALL OF US, WITHIN THE CAPSULATED VIEW OF THE ENEMY.
• 17:12 YOU EVEN POINTED OUT IN THIS "CAMERAS ON CAMPUS" MAGAZINE WHICH I TAKE MYSELF,
• 17:19 ALAN GERSHOWITZ EVEN REFERRED, HE'S SAYS I'M OPPOSED TO THE OCCUPATION.
• 17:26 ALAN GERSHOWITZ, A JEWISH COMMENTATOR IS OPPOSED TO ISRAEL OCCUPYING.
• 17:30 WHAT IS ISRAEL OCCUPYING?
• 17:32 AND HE'S FOR A 2 STATE SOLUTION NOW, WHEN NOBODY IS GIVING ANYTHING UP EXCEPT JEWS.
• 17:38 WHY IS THIS SO TURNED AROUND?
• 17:40 YOU KNOW WHY IT IS, IT'S BECAUSE YEAR AFTER YEAR, DECADE AFTER DECADE,
• 17:46 THEY HAVE BEEN POUNDING AWAY THAT THE JEW IS THE OPPRESSOR
• 17:50 AND I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE THE WORST OF THE JEWS
• 17:54 BECAUSE IT JUSTIFIES THE FACT THAT THEY LET THEM ALL BURN IN HELL IN THE 40S.
• 18:00 I DON'T KNOW WHY ELSE.
• 18:03 WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY--
• 18:07 ANTI-SEMITISM STARTED WITH PHARAOH IN THE BIBLE.
• 18:10 I'LL GIVE YOU ONE THEORY, A SPIRITUAL IDEA, BUT, THE JEWS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
• 18:15 IT SAYS IT PLAINLY HERE.
• 18:17 THERE'S NO GETTING AWAY FROM IT.
• 18:18 OTHER PEOPLE RESENT THAT.
• 18:21 I HAD A JEW WHO WAS A RECONSTRUCTIONIST TELL ME,
• 18:26 RECONSTRUCTIONISTS ARE VERY LIBERAL SYNAGOGUE AND HE SAID,
• 18:31 WELL, OUR RABBI SAYS,
• 18:33 "IT IRRITATES PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE, SO WE'LL JUST STOP SAYING IT."
• 18:38 I TOLD HIM, THAT WASN'T MADE UP IN A P.R. OFFICE.
• 18:41 THAT WAS THE "BIG GUY".
• 18:43 I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IRRITATED, THE CAIN PEOPLE HAVE KILLED THE ABELS
• 18:47 SINCE THE GARDEN AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT.
• 18:50 I THINK IT'S JUST AN INFECTION THAT GETS IN PEOPLE THAT AREN'T THE CHOSEN.
• 18:55 BUT, HOW COME IT HAPPENS THAT THE JEWS DO IT TO THEMSELVES?
• 18:59 WHY ARE THERE SO MANY WHO ARE,
• 19:02 THERE'S A BOOK THAT HAS JUST BEEN WRITTEN BY SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEM
• 19:09 AND I THINK HE'S A PSYCHIATRIST WHO KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT,
• 19:12 HE'S JUST CAME OUT WITH A BOOK TALKING ABOUT WHY JEWS ARE THEIR OWN WORST ENEMY.
• 19:18 WELL, THEY'RE NOT THEIR WORST ENEMY, BUT WHY DO THEY GO ALONG WITH THEIR ENEMIES.
• 19:21 WHY HAVE THEY, THROUGH HISTORY, BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW THEIR ENEMIES?
• 19:27 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS BUT HE SEEMS TO, HIS NAME IS KENNETH LEVIN,
• 19:31 HE'S A PSYCHIATRIST AND THE BOOK HAS THE TITLE HAS THE WORD "OSLO" IN IT.
• 19:38 I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, I'M SORRY.
• 19:39 I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU.
• 19:41 WHY GO INTO THIS WHOLE SELF-PUNISHING PEACE PROCESS.
• 19:43 BUT, I THINK IT'S VERY INSTRUCTIVE AND I WANT TO READ IT.
• 19:47 BUT, WHY ARE THE JEWS, FOR EXAMPLE, CONTINUALLY SAYING,
• 19:50 ISRAELI JEWS, WE CAN WORK WITH ABBAS, MAHMOUD ABBAS,
• 19:52 THE NEW PALESTINIAN LEADER WHO WAS ARAFAT'S FLUNKY
• 19:57 AND NOW ACCIDENTALLY HAS LANDED IN ARAFAT'S JOB WHEN THE DICTATOR DIED.
• 20:01 AND ON THAT SUBJECT, WHY, WHEN THE DICTATOR PERISHES AND WE NEED A NEW DICTATOR
• 20:06 DO WE CALL THAT AN ELECTION EQUAL TO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN?
• 20:09 EXACTLY.
• 20:11 THEY SIMPLY APPOINTED THE #2 MAN AND TOLD THE PEOPLE THEY BETTER GET TO THE POLLS
• 20:14 WHEN THE PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE THERE AND WE HAVE A NEW DICTATOR.
• 20:18 BUT, WHY ARE THE ISRAELIS EVEN DEALING WITH SUCH A PERSON?
• 20:21 WHY?
• 20:22 I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY.
• 20:24 WELL, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE TREATY HAS BEEN ABROGATED.
• 20:29 THEY'VE ALREADY ABROGATED THE SO-CALLED--
• 20:31 THE PALESTINIANS HAVE.
• 20:33 BUT THE SO-CALLED PEACE THAT BUSH HAS BEEN INITIATING, THE ROAD MAP,
• 20:38 HASN'T BEEN 60 SECONDS OF PEACE SINCE THE PALESTINIANS STARTED UP IN 1964.
• 20:43 WELL, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BUT FOMENT MORE TERROR AND THEY'VE GOTTEN THE MISSILES NOW.
• 20:48 THEY'VE GOT THE MEANS TO GET THE MISSILES OVER.
• 20:51 THEY'RE DEALING WITH HEZBOLLAH STRAIGHT AWAY.
• 20:54 I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON
• 20:56 AND THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S DOING ANYTHING ON THIS SO-CALLED BILATERAL TREATY IS ISRAEL.
• 21:03 WHY IS ISRAEL CONTINUING TO GIVE UP, GIVE UP? WHY?
• 21:09 WELL, THEY'RE LOSING.
• 21:10 SOMEBODY SAID, THIS LOOKS LIKE A MILITARY DEFEAT.
• 21:14 WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS A MILITARY DEFEAT.
• 21:17 THEY'RE NOT LOSING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIGHT WITH THE PALESTINIANS,
• 21:19 THEY'RE LOSING BECAUSE THE WORLD WON'T ALLOW THEM TO USE THEIR ARMY, THEIR WEAPONS OR ANYTHING.
• 21:24 THEY HAVE TO COWER, THEY HAVE TO TELL THE PEOPLE IN GAZA,
• 21:27 YOU BETTER GET AWAY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SHOOT ROCKETS AT YOU
• 21:29 AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT A BATTALION OF SOLDIERS THERE
• 21:32 AND WE CAN'T GO IN AND GET THEM, SO THERE'S NO OTHER ANSWER.
• 21:36 COME ON UP HERE AND BE CLOSER TO HOME WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST GET AROUND YOU AND PROTECT YOU.
• 21:41 IF THE WORLD DOESN'T LET ISRAEL FIGHT, IT WILL GET SMALLER AND SMALLER
• 21:45 AND IN WORLDLY TERMS IT WILL DISAPPEAR.
• 21:48 IN BIBLICAL TERMS, THIS IS VERY CLEAR IN PSALM 83
• 22:09 3000 YEARS AGO.
• 22:11 THAT SOUNDS LIKE TODAY'S NEWS.
• 22:14 THAT'S WILD.
• 22:15 I HAVE SOME THINGS I COULD READ ALSO.
• 22:17 I KNOW JOAN.
• 22:19 YOU USED THE WORD COWER.
• 22:21 THAT'S REALLY PAINFUL TO HEAR.
• 22:24 IT'S TRUE, BUT I WONDER IF THE ISRAELIS ARE AWARE THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS COWERING?
• 22:31 HOW ABOUT YESTERDAY WHEN THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, DC,
• 22:35 THE GOVERNMENT, THE NATIONAL SECURITY,
• 22:37 RUNNING DOWN THE STREETS FOR THEIR LIVES.
• 22:41 THE WHITE HOUSE EMPTIED,
• 22:42 SENATORS LEAVING THEIR DESK AND RUNNING, TALK ABOUT COWERING.
• 22:46 WHY DON'T WE FIGHT?
• 22:48 WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? WE'RE IN A WAR.
• 22:50 WE DIDN'T COWER FOR THE JAPANESE OR THE GERMANS.
• 22:53 WHO ARE WE GOING TO FIGHT?
• 22:54 THIS PLANE COULD HAVE HAD A NUCLEAR MISSILE.
• 22:57 IT COULD HAVE HAD, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A BOMB.
• 23:00 AND THAT ONE SINGLE ENGINE PLANE COULD HAVE ZOOMED RIGHT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE.
• 23:07 SO, WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.
• 23:09 THE PROBLEM IS WHY DID WE LET IT GET TO THAT?
• 23:12 WHEN YOU PLAY CHESS, IF THE GUY'S GOING TO ATTACK YOU,
• 23:16 SOMETIMES THE ANSWER'S ATTACK HIM FIRST AND GET HIM,
• 23:19 NEVER MIND WHICH PIECE IS GOING TO DO ME THE DAMAGE.
• 23:21 JUST GET THE GUY.
• 23:23 WHERE?
• 23:24 MAYBE START WHERE THE WAHABISM STARTS IN SAUDI ARABIA.
• 23:28 WE CAN'T DO THAT, THOSE ARE THE BEST FRIENDS OF THE BUSHES.
• 23:31 BUSH IS FOR SOME REASON PUSHING A PEACE
• 23:35 THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AN ANATHEMA TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
• 23:39 HE'S GETTING A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER WHO BELIEVE
• 23:42 AND HAVE SAID THEY BELIEVED IN THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
• 23:45 THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH STATE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THEIR MOVEMENT,
• 23:50 FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE TIME THE ARABS INVENTED THE PALESTINIAN REFUGEES
• 23:55 SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE OVER THE FIGHT AGAINST ISRAEL,
• 23:59 AGAINST HAVING A JEWISH OR ANY OTHER STATE IN THEIR MIDST,
• 24:02 THEY TOOK THIS FIGHT ON AT THE TIME WHEN ISRAELIS
• 24:07 DIDN'T HAVE THE FAINTEST IDEA OF BEING HATED BY THE ARABS.
• 24:11 THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM THE HOLOCAUST.
• 24:14 THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM THE ARAB COUNTRIES.
• 24:16 THEY WERE FINDING SOME KIND OF SALVATION.
• 24:21 DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT IS IN A SPOT, I MEAN,
• 24:23 I VOTED FOR BUSH AND I CAN'T APPROVE HIS HAVING A VISION FOR A PALESTINIAN STATE,
• 24:28 SILLY STATEMENTS LIKE THAT,
• 24:30 BUT, DO YOU THINK HE'S IN A SPOT WITH OIL AND SO FORTH
• 24:34 THAT HE HAS TO PLAY ACT FOR THE SAUDIS OR SOMETHING?
• 24:38 WHY WOULD HE DO SUCH UNREASONABLE THINGS AS TO EVEN PROPOSE A PALESTINIAN STATE?
• 24:45 WHAT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE LESS CAPABLE TO HAVE A NATION?
• 24:47 I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU I THINK THE REASON HE SAID IT
• 24:51 IS BECAUSE THE ISRAELIS SAID IT FIRST.
• 24:53 ACTUALLY WHEN THE ISRAELIS FIRST WENT TO TALK TO ARAFAT SECRETLY
• 24:58 IT WAS PERES WHO BROUGHT IT ABOUT, BUT WHEN THEY FIRST WENT TO TALK TO ARAFAT,
• 25:02 IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW TO TALK TO A TERRORIST
• 25:05 AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WAS FURIOUS WITH ISRAEL.
• 25:09 SO WE HAVE TO, IN THIS CASE, THE SOURCE OF IT WAS ISRAEL.
• 25:14 YOU MENTIONED PERES AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED A PSYCHIATRIST,
• 25:17 WE INTERVIEWED PERES ON THIS PROGRAM AND FOR HALF AN HOUR
• 25:20 LISTENED TO THIS MAN TELL ME HIS VIEWS
• 25:22 AND AT THE END I WANTED TO SAY "DO YOU KNOW A PSYCHIATRIST?"
• 25:25 I MEAN, NOT TO INDICT ONE MAN, BUT THAT WHOLE LEFT WING IN ISRAEL,
• 25:31 LIKE THE LEFT WING IN AMERICA IS SO COUNTERPRODUCTIVE,
• 25:34 IT'S SO ANTI-NATIONAL AND SO ANTI-DEMOCRATIC.
• 25:37 THEY KOWTOW, THEY DEAL WITH THE WORST OF THE TERRORIST.
• 25:41 A WASHINGTON COMMENTATOR RECENTLY SAID THAT THE GUYS IN HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS,
• 25:50 THEY CALL THEM PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSMEN OR BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS.
• 25:53 BECAUSE, WHY?
• 25:55 BECAUSE THE GUY HAD A TIE ON?
• 25:57 HE PROBABLY HAD A GUN IN HIS POCKET?
• 25:58 THAT'S LANGUAGE.
• 26:00 I'D LAUGHED AT IT WITH YOU EXCEPT FOR ONE THING;
• 26:02 I'M WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE CAMPUSES.
• 26:04 I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S MY LITTLE KIDS,
• 26:08 I HAVE 2 GRANDBABY DAUGHTERS, 2 GRANDBABIES, ONE IS 2 AND ONE IS 9 MONTHS.
• 26:13 CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.
• 26:15 BY THE WAY, WE'RE IN OUR LAST MINUTE.
• 26:17 ALRIGHT, REAL FAST.
• 26:18 THOSE KIDS HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE SOME DAY AND IF THEY CAN'T EVEN OPEN THEIR MOUTHS
• 26:22 AND SAY WHAT THEY THINK WITHOUT BEING EITHER KICKED OUT
• 26:26 OR THEIR INSTRUCTOR BEING KICKED OUT, WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY ARE WE GOING TO BE LIVING IN?
• 26:30 SEND THEM TO TEXAS A & M.
• 26:32 I HAD AN EMAIL TODAY 4-5 PAGES FROM TEXAS A & M, CHRISTIANS ON CAMPUS, PRO ISRAEL,
• 26:37 MADE SENSE AND IT'S A GREAT BIG UNIVERSITY AND A WONDERFUL PLACE.
• 26:43 I CAN RECOMMEND IT.
• 26:45 THERE ARE OTHERS OF COURSE, BUT I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
• 26:48 UNIVERSITIES, COLUMBIA,
• 26:49 I CAN NAME AT LEAST A DOZEN.
• 26:51 TERRIBLE CONDITION THESE DAYS AND THE PROFESSORS AND THE STUDENTS WITH THEM.
• 26:56 WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER PROGRAM, SIT TIGHT,
• 27:00 AND SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.