Caption transcript for The Crusaders: “A Clash of Civilizations” (6/8)

• 00:08 IN 1095 POPE URBAN THE SECOND >>DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE >>KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
• 00:15 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
• 00:18 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, >>WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS >>EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
• 00:24 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
• 00:27 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED IN JERUSALEM ALONE.
• 00:34 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". >>THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:46 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:46 WELCOME BACK TO OUR SERIES ON THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:48 ON THIS PROGRAM WE'LL TALK WITH MARTY COHEN, A MESSIANIC PASTOR IN ISRAEL.
• 00:53 PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THE ISRAELI BELIEVERS, WELL, HE'S GOT A CONGREGATION.
• 00:59 HE'S ALSO A HISTORIAN.
• 01:00 HE'S KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THE CRUSADERS
• 01:04 AND THEN WE'LL TALK TO GERALD SCHROEDER WHO'S BEEN WITH US BEFORE, A SCIENTIST,
• 01:08 BUT, HE'S NOT GOING TO TALK ON SCIENCE THIS TIME BUT ON POLITICS.
• 01:13 HE'S PRETTY GOOD ON THAT, TOO.
• 01:14 HE LIVES IN JERUSALEM EVERY DAY >>AND HAS FOR 30 YEARS OR SO.
• 01:17 BUT, FIRST WE'LL GO TO A NEW SCALE MODEL OF THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM.
• 01:22 I THINK YOU'LL LIKE THIS. NOW, TO LOCATION.
• 01:25 THIS IS THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNER >>OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT.
• 01:29 WE'RE GOING TO WALK AROUND THIS TEMPLE MOUNT IN THIS MODEL AND >>THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SPOT.
• 01:34 IT'S ALMOST WHERE THE GOSPEL STARTS, THAT IS,
• 01:36 THE DEVIL IS TEMPTING JESUS TO >>THROW HIMSELF OFF HERE.
• 01:41 IT MUST BE 200 FEET ON DOWN TO >>STONE AND JESUS, OF COURSE,
• 01:47 ANSWERS THE DEVIL AND BEHIND ME >>THE MOUNT OF OLIVES
• 01:51 WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE CHURCH OF ALL NATIONS
• 01:55 AND BESIDE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE >>WOULD BE THE GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE.
• 01:58 YOU SEE PLENTY OF OLIVE TREES, >>A RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH IS >>HALF WAY UP THE MOUNT OF OLIVES,
• 02:06 OF COURSE, A LOT OF OLIVE TREES.
• 02:08 YOU HEAR A DONKEY BRAYING.
• 02:09 THERE'S REAL SOUNDS OF JERUSALEM HERE.
• 02:10 THE STEADY NOISE IN THE BACKGROUND IS THE PRAYER COMING FROM THE WESTERN WALL
• 02:15 WE'RE GOING TO SEE AS WE GO AROUND.
• 02:17 HERE WE HAVE THE AREA OF THE WALL WHICH, BY THE WAY,
• 02:22 IS WHERE THE BULGE IS OCCURRING >>THESE DAYS
• 02:24 AND THE AREA WHERE THE PALESTINIANS HAVE DUG UNDER THE PLATFORM ON THE TOP,
• 02:30 SORT OF BEHIND THIS AREA TO PUT >>IN A NEW MOSQUE IN WHAT WAS SOLOMON'S STABLES,
• 02:37 A LARGE HOLLOW AREA UNDER THE >>PLATFORM ON TOP AND, OF COURSE,
• 02:41 APPARENTLY WEAKENED THE WALL AT THAT POINT AND THAT IS AN ISSUE THESE DAYS.
• 02:47 WE HAVE VARIOUS ARCHES AND GATES >>AND WE'LL LOOK AT MORE
• 02:50 AS WE GO ALONG THE SOUTHERN WALL >>OF THE TEMPLE.
• 02:53 NOW, THE SOUTHERN WALL OF THE TEMPLE IS VERY AUTHENTIC.
• 02:57 THIS STAIRCASE WHICH HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT RESTORED
• 03:00 IS THE ONE USED BY THE POOR >>PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE TEMPLE.
• 03:04 JESUS AND HIS MEN WERE AMONG THOSE.
• 03:06 THEY WENT UP THE STEPS, THE MIKVAHOTE,
• 03:09 THERE ARE PLACES IN THE-- THERE WERE THEN
• 03:11 OF RITUAL BATHS WHERE THEY COULD DIP THEMSELVES BEFORE GOING INTO WORSHIP
• 03:17 SIMILAR TO A CHRISTIAN BAPTISM >>AND THEN THEY WOULD ENTER THE TEMPLE
• 03:23 THROUGH GATES THAT WERE THEN IN THE WALL.
• 03:25 THEY'RE NOT NOW AND THIS IS THE MODERN VERSION THAT WE HAVE PICTURED HERE.
• 03:30 THE DIGS, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL DIGS >>BEHIND ME HERE,
• 03:34 ARE HOUSES AND BUILDINGS FROM TIME OF THE KINGS.
• 03:37 THEY SAY THE JAIL OF JEREMIAH WAS AMONG THESE BUILDINGS.
• 03:43 THE ARCHEOLOGY IS QUITE EXTENSIVE.
• 03:46 YOU CAN MAKE OUT THE HULDA GATES HERE,
• 03:48 THREE GATES WHICH FIGURE INTO THE STORY IN ACTS 2 OF PENTECOST.
• 03:54 I BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT >>CAME TO SOLOMON'S PORTICO,
• 03:57 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN INSIDE THIS WALL ALONG THE TOP,
• 04:01 THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE MET WHEN THEY CAME TO THE TEMPLE.
• 04:04 THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME ON THEM THERE.
• 04:06 PETER SAID, REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED EVERYONE OF YOU FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS
• 04:11 AND THEY CAME OUT OF THE HULDA GATES, BACK AROUND,
• 04:17 UP THE STAIRS AGAIN, TAKING ANOTHER MIKVAH,
• 04:19 BUT THIS TIME IT'S A BAPTISM FOR BELIEF IN THE MESSIAH AND REENTER THE TEMPLE.
• 04:24 THEY WOULD BE SAFE ON THAT DAY OF PENTECOST BECAUSE THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE,
• 04:29 WORSHIPERS HERE AND ALTHOUGH THEY WERE SOUGHT AFTER, THEY WERE WANTED MEN,
• 04:33 THEY COULD MELT INTO THE CROWD IN THAT MANNER AND SO COULD THE >>3000 WHO WERE BAPTIZED.
• 04:38 NOW, WE'LL MOVE ALONG THE SOUTHERN WALL TO THE CORNER OF THE WESTERN WALL.
• 04:43 NOW AS WE MOVE TO THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT,
• 04:49 WE SEE A CLEAR VIEW OF THE AL AQSA MOSQUE, THIS LARGE MOSQUE.
• 04:54 IT'S IN THE NEWS ALL THE TIME.
• 04:55 IT IS THE MOSQUE WHERE ARIEL SHARON VISITED
• 04:58 AND WAS REPUTEDLY THE START OF >>THE PRESENT INTIFADA,
• 05:02 ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT SAID MUCH ANYMORE.
• 05:04 IT'S A PLACE OF ARAB WORSHIP EVERY FRIDAY MORNING, THEIR SERVICES
• 05:08 AND SOMETIMES SOME ACTION AND >>PROBLEMS AFTER THOSE SERVICES.
• 05:12 AS WE MOVE DOWN THE WALL, WE SEE ARCHEOLOGY FROM BYZANTINE TIMES,
• 05:19 IT'S SORT OF REPRESENTED, BUT THERE WERE HOMES OF CHRISTIAN PEOPLE,
• 05:23 GIVE OR TAKE 300, 6-7-800 A.D. >>WHO LIVED AROUND THE TEMPLE
• 05:30 AND CELEBRATED THE IDEA THAT JESUS WAS HERE.
• 05:32 THE VERY CORNER OF THE SOUTH AND WESTERN WALLS AT THE TOP
• 05:38 WAS CALLED "THE PLACE OF THE TRUMPET".
• 05:40 THERE THE TRUMPETER LITERALLY BLEW ON THE TRUMPET TO OFFICIALLY START
• 05:46 THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS, NOW REFERRED TO AS ROSH HASHANAH IN JEWISH PARLANCE,
• 05:52 AND OF COURSE, THIS IS SYMBOLIC >>OF THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH
• 05:56 WHEN THE LORD WILL SOUND THE TRUMPET.
• 05:57 THE STONE HAS BEEN TAKEN TO THE ISRAEL MUSEUM.
• 06:00 IT SAYS RIGHT ON IT, THIS IS THE PLACE OF THE TRUMPETS.
• 06:04 DOWN BELOW, ON THE FLOOR OF THE VALLEY,
• 06:06 ARE LITTLE STORES THAT ACTUALLY SOLD ANIMALS
• 06:11 AND CHANGED MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE >>COMING INTO THE TEMPLE.
• 06:15 THEY COULD NOT USE ORDINARY PROFANE COINS.
• 06:17 THEY HAD TO CHANGE TO TEMPLE COINAGE AND THEY HAD TO BUY ANIMALS FOR SACRIFICE.
• 06:22 ON THE WALL ITSELF ARE THE REMNANTS OF AN ARCH THAT WENT ACROSS,
• 06:28 THAT WAY PEOPLE COULD ENTER FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS TEROPIAN VALLEY
• 06:33 AND GO INTO THE TEMPLE AND INTO THE SOUTHWESTERN AREA THAT WAY.
• 06:39 THERE'S A SIMILAR WALKWAY IN >>MODERN TIMES WHICH WE SEE NEXT >>ALONG THE WALL
• 06:45 WHERE YOU CAN WALK UP AND ENTER THE TEMPLE MOUNT TO GO ONTO THE PLATFORM.
• 06:51 WELL, ON THE PLATFORM ITSELF, OF COURSE, WHAT IS PROPERLY CALLED THE TEMPLE MOUNT,
• 06:57 THERE'S SOME IMPORTANT BUILDINGS WE HEAR ALL ABOUT IN THE NEWS.
• 07:01 DOWN FROM THE AL AQSA MOSQUE, IS THE GORGEOUS DOME OF THE ROCK,
• 07:06 A VERY ORNATE BUILDING OF MOSAICS WITH A GOLDEN DOME.
• 07:10 BEHIND IT IN THE BACKGROUND, >>YOU CAN SEE THE MOUNT OF OLIVES,
• 07:13 THE OLIVE TREES, CHURCHES THAT >>ARE THERE AND SO FORTH.
• 07:17 AS WE COME DOWN, WE CAN PERCEIVE THE WESTERN WALL,
• 07:22 MOVING ALONG INTO THE AREA SOMETIMES CALLED
• 07:26 THE "WAILING WALL" OR THE "WESTERN WALL".
• 07:27 THE WOMEN'S SIDE FIRST AND TO THE RIGHT AND LITTLE PEOPLE THERE
• 07:34 TO DEMONSTRATE THEY'RE ACTUALLY >>PRAYING AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE MOVING.
• 07:38 THEY MOVE THEIR BODIES PRAISING >>GOD WITH EVERY BONE OF THEIR BODIES AS THE PSALMIST SAYS
• 07:44 WITH THEIR WHOLE BEING >>AND THE MEN IN VARIOUS COSTUMES,
• 07:48 THE ORTHODOX IN THE BLACK COSTUMES AND THE ORDINARY WORSHIPERS WITH PRAYER SHAWLS
• 07:54 ALL PRAYING FACING THE WALL BECAUSE IN THEIR MIND,
• 07:57 THIS IS THE CLOSEST PLACE THEY >>CAN GET TO GOD'S APARTMENT ON EARTH, THE HOLY OF HOLIES,
• 08:01 THE KODESH HA KODESHIM >>IS SOMEWHERE UNDER THE PLATFORM AND BACK IN THROUGH THAT WALL,
• 08:06 ALTHOUGH IF WE WOULD GO NORTH OF >>IT THROUGH THE CAVE-LIKE ENTRANCES,
• 08:11 WE WOULD GET CLOSER AND CLOSER >>TO THE HOLY OF HOLIES
• 08:14 AND AS WE MOVE ALONG WE SEE VARIOUS CUPALAS ON THE FLOOR >>OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT ON THE TOP.
• 08:23 THE IMPORTANT ONE IS THE DARK-TOPPED SMALL ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE
• 08:29 WHICH SOME THINK ACTUALLY IS WHERE THE HOLY OF HOLIES IS,
• 08:36 ALTHOUGH THAT'S PURE SPECULATION.
• 08:37 UNTIL ARCHAEOLOGISTS CAN DIG UNDER THE MOUNT, >>THEY WON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
• 08:42 THAT IS WHAT IS ON THE PLATFORM ITSELF, AT THIS TIME, IN MODERN DAY.
• 08:52 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YOU ARE LOVELY ISRAEL
• 08:57 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MY LOVE
• 09:10 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YES, I'VE LOVED YOU, ISRAEL
• 09:14 (SPEAKING HEBREW) AS HE LOVES YOU FROM ABOVE
• 09:20 THE LAND OF ISRAEL, ISRAEL MY LOVE IS LIKE NO OTHER LAND IN THE WORLD.
• 09:28 WE'RE BOUND FOR THE PROMISED LAND.
• 09:29 WE'RE GOING BACK TO ISRAEL AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE JOINED US ON PAST TOURS,
• 09:33 SAY IT IS A TREASURE THEY WILL CHERISH FOR THE REST OF THEIR DAYS.
• 09:37 I THINK EVERY CHRISTIAN NEEDS TO COME HERE
• 09:41 AND JUST SENSE THE SAME THINGS >>THAT ALL OF THEM HAVE FELT GOING BEFORE US
• 09:45 BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD IT SAID THAT YOUR WHOLE LIFE WILL BE CHANGED >>IF YOU COME TO THE HOLY LAND
• 09:50 AND YOU CAN RELATE MORE TO WHERE >>JESUS WAS IN THE TEMPLE
• 09:53 AND ALL THE GREAT AND MIGHTY THINGS THAT HE DID
• 09:54 AND I CAN NOW JOIN THEM IN SAYING EVERYONE NEEDS TO COME TO THE HOLY LAND.
• 10:00 IT IS ONE THING TO READ THE WORDS
• 10:02 AND THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT HERE AND SEE JESUS WALKED ACROSS THE LAND.
• 10:08 IT BRINGS IT ALL TO A SENSE THAT >>IT REALLY HAPPENED.
• 10:14 THIS IS MY SECOND TOUR WITH ZOLA.
• 10:16 THE FIRST ONE WAS IN JUNE '84 AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL TOUR.
• 10:21 IT WAS SO LOVELY AND I LOVE ISRAEL SO MUCH THAT I HAD TO COME BACK
• 10:25 AND SEE IT AGAIN AND LIVE IT AGAIN.
• 10:28 COME WITH US TO ISRAEL AND WALK WHERE JESUS WALKED.
• 10:32 LET US BREAK BREAD TOGETHER IN JERUSALEM.
• 10:34 I'VE TRAVELED THROUGH ISRAEL DOZENS OF TIMES.
• 10:38 BELIEVE ME, IT'S THE MOST EXCITING
• 10:40 AND SPIRITUALLY SATISFYING JOURNEY YOU CAN UNDERTAKE IN THIS LIFE.
• 10:45 THE OPENINGS ON THE NORTH SIDE >>BY THE WESTERN WALL,
• 10:47 LEAD TO THE FAMOUS TUNNEL THE >>ISRAELIS OPENED A FEW YEARS AGO THAT GOES TO THE VIA DELAROSA.
• 10:55 IT CAUSED NO DAMAGE.
• 10:57 IT HELPED ARABS BUT ARAFAT USED >>IT AS AN EXCUSE
• 10:59 FOR ANOTHER ONE OF HIS CRAZY MARCHES AND PROTESTS.
• 11:04 THEN IT QUIETED DOWN.
• 11:06 AND THE TUNNEL HAS BEEN OPENED >>EVER SINCE AND NOBODY'S THE WORSE FOR IT.
• 11:09 BUT, ANYWAY THAT TUNNEL RUNS RIGHT PARALLEL WITH THE WESTERN WALL.
• 11:13 IT SHOWS MANY FEATURES OF WHAT WAS THERE AT THE TEMPLE BACK IN >>THE FIRST CENTURY.
• 11:20 THEN WE'LL TALK WITH MARTY COHEN, THE MESSIANIC PASTOR
• 11:23 WHO'S GOT QUITE A BIT TO SAY ABOUT OUR SUBJECT, THE CRUSADERS.
• 11:27 MARTY,AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE AROUND CRUSADER RUINS
• 11:31 AND LOOKING AT THINGS AND YOU'RE VERY INFORMED ON THESE SUBJECTS.
• 11:35 TELL ME THE STORY ABOUT SAFED, AGAIN.
• 11:37 SAFED WAS A VERY IMPORTANT CRUSADER POSITION BECAUSE IT CONTROLLED THE ROAD
• 11:43 BETWEEN DAMASCUS AND WHAT WAS THEN CALLED PATALOMOS WHICH IS AKKO.
• 11:47 IT SAT UPON A PRESIPICE, HIGH UPON A HILL,
• 11:50 IT'S JUST A LITTLE TOWN.
• 11:51 IT'S A LITTLE TOWN, BUT IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TOWN.
• 11:53 IT WAS IMPORTANT THOSE DAYS AND IT IS TODAY, TOO.
• 11:55 NOT ONLY DURING THE CRUSADER TIMES, WAS THIS POSITION SO IMPORTANT,
• 12:00 THE CASTLE SO IMPORTANT, BUT LATER DURING THE WAR OF INDEPENDENCE,
• 12:03 THE BATTLE OF SAFED, THE ARABS >>CONTROLLED THIS HIGH GROUND
• 12:07 AND PUT TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON >>THE FEW JEWS THAT WERE THERE, BUT BY THE HAND OF GOD,
• 12:14 THE JEWISH PEOPLE WERE PERSISTENT AND PREVAILED AND OVERCAME THE ENEMY.
• 12:19 JUST LIKE THE CRUSADER CASTLE, >>WAS FINALLY DEFEATED AND IN >>RUINS, SO WAS THE ARAB POSITION.
• 12:27 WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
• 12:28 WE SAW THESE CASTLES OR THE >>REMAINS AT AKKO, WE'VE SEEN THE >>NIMROD AND BELVOIR, CRAZY--
• 12:37 WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
• 12:38 I THINK THEY THOUGHT THAT >>WITH THE DEMONSTRATION OF POWER, >>WOULD COME POWER.
• 12:46 YOU BUILD A BIG CASTLE >>YES,
• 12:47 YOU BUILD A BIG CASTLE, YOU LOOK IMPORTANT AND THE PEOPLE WOULD COW TO THAT.
• 12:52 IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THEORY >>THE ROMANS HAD.
• 12:54 EVERY WHERE THE ROMANS ESTABLISHED THEIR POSITION,
• 12:56 THEY DEMONSTRATED THE GLORY OF ROME AND SO THE GLORY OF ROME--
• 13:01 STATUARY
• 13:02 IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE GLORY OF GOD.
• 13:04 THAT'S HOW THEY MAINTAINED THE AWE OF THE PEOPLE
• 13:07 AND THE CRUSADERS KIND OF FOLLOWED THE SAME PATH HERE.
• 13:09 MARTY, YOU LIVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF HAIFA, WHICH HAS A LARGE ARAB POPULATION,
• 13:15 THERE ARE DRUZE PEOPLE NEAR YOUR VILLAGE.
• 13:18 YOU KNOW THEM PERSONALLY, THESE PEOPLE.
• 13:20 SURE, IN FACT WE MOVED TO ISRAEL, WE CAME WITH NO FURNITURE
• 13:24 BECAUSE WE FELT GOD WAS DOING A NEW THING AND SO EVERY STICK OF >>FURNITURE IN MY HOUSE
• 13:28 WAS MADE BY EITHER DRUZE OR BY >>MUSLIM FROM WHAT THEY CALL THE WEST BANK,
• 13:35 FROM JUDEA AND SAMARIA
• 13:36 UH-HUH
• 13:37 SO WE'VE GOT CLOSE RELATIONSHIP >>WITH A LOT OF THE DRUZE
• 13:40 FROM UP IN MT. CARMEL AREA AND >>WITH SOME OF THE MUSLIMS UP THERE, TOO.
• 13:45 ZOLA, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY PLACE ELSE, I MEAN IN A LOCAL CHURCH,
• 13:49 YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY EXTREMELY ADAMANT IN THEIR FAITH
• 13:55 AND PEOPLE THAT GO BECAUSE THEY >>ARE SUPPOSED TO GO.
• 13:57 THAT'S TRUE IN THE MUSLIM FAITH, TOO.
• 13:59 IT'S NOT HOMOGENIZED, IT'S NOT ONE GROUP.
• 14:03 THERE'S MORE TENSION WITHIN THE >>MUSLIM FAITH THAN THERE IS BETWEEN THE MUSLIMS AND JEWS.
• 14:10 THEY FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER MORE >>THAN THEY FIGHT WITH US.
• 14:13 YES, I WAS AWARE OF THAT.
• 14:14 LET'S DEFINE DRUZE.
• 14:15 THEY'RE KIND OF AN OFFSHOOT OF >>ISLAM WITH THEIR OWN THING
• 14:18 AND THEY ARE RELATIVELY MORE FRIENDLY WITH ISRAEL.
• 14:20 YES, THEY HAVE A SECRET RELIGION THAT IS SECRET EVEN TO SOME OF >>THE DRUZE
• 14:25 AND YET THEY SERVE FAITHFULLY IN THE ARMY.
• 14:30 THEY'RE LOYAL CITIZENS OF THE NATION IN WHICH THEY LIVE.
• 14:32 IT MAKES IT A LITTLE COMPLICATED, THOUGH, OVER ON THE GOLAN SIDE.
• 14:37 THE DRUZE, ALWAYS, IN WHAT EVER PLACE THEY LIVE,
• 14:39 THEY ALWAYS LIVE UP ON THE MOUNTAINS.
• 14:40 WELL, IN ISRAEL, THEY LIVE ON >>MT. CARMEL AND THEY LIVE ON THE >>GOLAN HEIGHTS.
• 14:44 WELL, THE CARMEL DRUZE ARE FAITHFUL, LOYAL ISRAELI CITIZENS.
• 14:50 BUT, THE GOLAN HEIGHTS DRUZE, THAT WAS SYRIA
• 14:54 AND SO FOR GENERATIONS THEY WERE >>LOYAL, FAITHFUL SYRIAN DRUZE.
• 14:59 SO, NOW THAT IT'S ISRAEL, THEY'RE IN THIS TRANSITIONAL PERIOD
• 15:05 AND IT'S VERY HARD FOR THEM.
• 15:06 MY DRUZE FRIENDS IN THE GALILEE >>HAVE SHARED WITH ME
• 15:10 THAT THEY HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OVER THERE
• 15:12 AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH TERRIBLE PERSONAL, INTERNAL STRUGGLES BECAUSE
• 15:15 THEY'RE FAITH REQUIRES THEM TO BE FAITHFUL AND LOYAL CITIZENS >>OF THE NATION THEY LIVE IN,
• 15:20 BUT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN THE >>HISTORY OF THE DRUZE THAT THE NATION THEY'VE LIVED IN,
• 15:27 HAS CHANGED AND THEY HAVEN'T MOVED.
• 15:30 SO THEY ARE HAVING SOME REAL STRUGGLES WITH THAT.
• 15:32 ENOUGH OF THE DRUZE, I THINK SOME PEOPLE DON'T APPRECIATE,
• 15:35 THEY THINK THERE'S ONLY MUSLIMS >>AND JEWS IN ISRAEL.
• 15:38 RIGHT.
• 15:39 THERE'S SO MANY RELIGIONS >>WE'RE ALL HERE.
• 15:42 IT'S A CARNIVAL OF RELIGION.
• 15:43 BY THE WAY, THE NOISE WE'RE HEARING IN THE BACKGROUND
• 15:46 IS WORK GOING ON, ON THIS FENCE, >>THIS WALL.
• 15:48 WE'RE CLOSE TO BETHLEHEM HERE, >>AT RAMAT RACHAEL
• 15:53 AND THEY WERE WORKING >>YESTERDAY WHEN WE WERE FILMING >>NEAR THE FENCE.
• 15:58 WE GET OFF THE SUBJECT FOR A >>MINUTE, TALK ABOUT THIS FENCE,
• 16:01 EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THAT THE ISRAELIS WANT TO BUILD THIS FENCE
• 16:05 AND THE POOR PALESTINIAN ARE FIGHTING IT.
• 16:07 THERE'S NOT A JEW IN ISRAEL THAT WANTS A FENCE, ZOLA.
• 16:11 OF COURSE NOT.
• 16:11 ALL WE WANT IS SECURITY.
• 16:12 WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN OUR HOMES AS PEACEFULLY
• 16:14 AS YOUR VIEWERS LIVE IN THEIRS, >>THAT'S ALL.
• 16:16 AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT OVER >>THE LAST THREE YEARS,
• 16:20 GAZA, WHICH HAS A FENCE AROUND IT,
• 16:22 HAS SENT NO HOMICIDE BOMBERS TO ISRAEL BECAUSE THERE'S A FENCE.
• 16:27 SO, THE FENCE IS A WHOLE OTHER THING.
• 16:29 OKAY, YOU'RE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THIS, AT THE END OF >>THE ROADMAP, I CERTAINLY HOPE.
• 16:35 WHAT'S THE FUTURE LOOKING LIKE TO YOU?
• 16:40 IS THERE GOING TO BE A SOLUTION >>TO THIS SITUATION?
• 16:42 OF COURSE, WHEN THE MESSIAH RETURNS, THERE WILL BE A SOLUTION.
• 16:46 BUT, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT BEFORE?
• 16:49 NO I DON'T.
• 16:49 I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH BRINGING CHRISTIANS TO ISRAEL
• 16:54 AND YET THEY'RE NOT COMING LIKE THEY USED TO AND EVERYBODY HERE >>IS SAYING,
• 16:58 OH, IT'S GETTING BETTER, IT'S GOING TO GET EASIER AS WE GET MORE QUIET, IT WILL HELP.
• 17:05 THERE'S PERIODS OF QUIET, BUT, >>IT'S JUST A PERIOD OF QUIET, I THINK
• 17:10 AND AS FAR AS TRUE PEACE, YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE PEACE
• 17:15 WITH SOMEBODY WHOSE STATED PURPOSE IT IS TO KILL YOU.
• 17:18 THE PURPOSE OF THE PALESTINIAN >>AUTHORITY, AS STATED CLEARLY, IS TO DESTROY ISRAEL.
• 17:28 FOR THERE TO BE A "PALESTINIAN STATE" HERE,
• 17:32 THEY WANT A PIECE OF JERUSALEM, >>BUT THE WANT A PIECE OF HAIFA AND A PIECE OF TEL AVIV.
• 17:38 THEY WANT ALL OF THE LAND.
• 17:39 AS THOSE MACHINES ARE BUILDING >>THE FENCE, EVEN AS WE SPEAK,
• 17:42 IT REMINDS ME OF THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED NATIONS,
• 17:49 EVEN AMERICAN GOVERNMENT TELL YOU, DON'T BUILD THIS FENCE.
• 17:52 IT'S A BERLIN WALL, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER.
• 17:55 IT'S AS IF THEY ARE SAYING TO FARMERS
• 17:58 WHO ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH >>COYOTES AND WOLVES COMING INTO >>KILL THE LIVESTOCK,
• 18:03 DON'T BUILD A FENCE AROUND YOUR FARM.
• 18:06 GO REASON WITH THE COYOTES, EXPLAIN TO THE WOLVES.
• 18:09 EXACTLY, WHAT WE IGNORE, ZOLA, >>BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE POPULATION
• 18:14 OF ISRAEL AND AMERICA, WHAT IF CANADIANS WERE COMING ACROSS THE >>BORDER OF AMERICA
• 18:22 AND OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS HAD KILLED 40,000 AMERICANS.
• 18:28 THAT'S THE PROPORTION?
• 18:30 THAT'S THE PROPORTION.
• 18:31 I THINK TORONTO WOULD BE A HISTORY LESSON.
• 18:33 IT WOULD BE A HOLE IN THE GROUND >>AND THERE WOULD BE A GIGANTIC >>BARRIER BETWEEN CANADA AND U.S.
• 18:40 I LIVE IN A LITTLE VILLAGE ON >>MT. CARMEL AND THE NEXT VILLAGE,
• 18:46 ALL THAT SEPARATES ME FROM AN ARAB VILLAGE WITH 3 MOSQUES IS A HIGHWAY.
• 18:52 AND YET WE LIVE AT PEACE WITH THESE NEIGHBORS.
• 18:57 THEY'RE ARAB ISRAELIS.
• 18:59 THEY'RE CITIZENS OF ISRAEL, >>BUT YET THEIR HEART IS TO LIVE >>IN MY VILLAGE.
• 19:06 THEIR HEART IS THAT ALL THE JEWS >>BE IN ANOTHER PLACE.
• 19:10 SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE INTO THE SEA.
• 19:12 MARTY, WE WILL HAVE TO STOP AT THAT POINT.
• 19:14 WE'RE ABOUT OUT OF TAPE, BUT IT'S FASCINATING TO TALK. THANKS FOR SHARING.
• 19:18 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ZOLA,
• 19:19 AND THANK YOU FOR INSISTING ON KEEP COMING BACK TO THE LAND AND >>BRINGING PEOPLE WITH YOU.
• 19:25 THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU
• 19:30 MARTY ALSO TOLD US THAT HE HAS >>MADE ANOINTING OIL FROM THE ORIGINAL BIBLICAL RECIPE
• 19:38 WHICH IS QUITE AN ELABORATE >>PROCEDURE AND HE HAS THE STUFF,
• 19:42 SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT, CONTACT US AND WE WILL SEND YOUR REQUEST TO HIM.
• 19:48 HE'S GOT A PLACE UP ON MT. CARMEL WHERE ELIJAH WAS PREACHING
• 19:54 AND I APPRECIATE HIS SHARING WITH US.
• 19:58 GERALD SCHROEDER IS COMING UP >>NOW AND YOU WILL RECOGNIZE HIM >>AS THE COSMOLOGIST
• 20:03 WHO TALKED ABOUT CREATION, >>BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT SCIENCE.
• 20:06 THIS IS A VIEW OF AN INDIVIDUAL >>WHO LIVES IN JERUSALEM
• 20:10 WITH HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN AND >>HAS FOR MANY YEARS, >>ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE LAND.
• 20:16 GERALD, YOU'RE AN AMERICAN.
• 20:18 I'M AN ISRAELI. AN AMERICAN ISRAELI.
• 20:21 AN ISRAELI NOW, BUT YOU WERE RAISED IN AMERICA
• 20:23 AND EDUCATED IN AMERICA AND YOU >>UNDERSTAND OUR CULTURE,
• 20:25 BUT, WE'RE GIVING SAUDI ARABIA >>A FREE PASS ON THIS WAR ON TERRORISM.
• 20:32 WE HAVEN'T BEGUN TO OBJECT TO THEM.
• 20:35 WE HAVEN'T ENTERED THEIR COUNTRY >>AS WE AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.
• 20:39 WE HAVEN'T CRITICIZED THEM AS WE >>HAVE SYRIA OR LIBYA.
• 20:42 THEY ARE AMONG THE PRESIDENT'S FRIENDS.
• 20:45 A SAUDI PRINCE VISITED HIS RANCH.
• 20:48 HE HELD RAMADAN OCCASION AT THE WHITE HOUSE
• 20:52 WITH SOME OF THE WORST THUGS OUT OF THE WHOLE ISLAMIC "THUGOCRACY".
• 20:56 WHY DO YOU THINK, NOW THAT SAUDI ARABIANS ARE GETTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS
• 21:03 AND THEY CAN GET THEM, DO YOU THINK THEY WILL STILL GET A FREE PASS
• 21:06 UNTIL THEY BLOW US UP OR WHAT'S THE DEAL?
• 21:08 IT DEPENDS, I GUESS, ON THE POWER OF THE ECONOMY.
• 21:13 HAS AMERICA TIED ITSELF TO SAUDI OIL?
• 21:17 ALTERNATIVELY, THE UNITED STATES >>COULD GO AND JUST TAKE OVER THESE OIL FIELDS,
• 21:23 BUT IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
• 21:27 IT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT.
• 21:28 I MEAN, THE WRITING SEEMS TO BE ON THE WALL, AS DANIEL POINTED OUT
• 21:33 AND I TELL YOU, IT SOUNDS VERY >>PREJUDICIAL, 20-30 YEARS AGO,
• 21:38 I NEVER WOULD HAVE NEVER TALKED LIKE THIS, NEVER.
• 21:39 BECAUSE YOU COME INTO A COUNTRY AND YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE-- >>I CAME FROM AMERICA,
• 21:44 I ASSUMED THE VALUES WOULD BE THE SAME FROM THE POPULUS AROUND HERE.
• 21:49 THE NAIVETY.
• 21:50 I FOUGHT INTHE I.D.F., THE ISRAELI ARMY AND I'M VERY PLEASED THAT I DID.
• 21:55 I'M VERY HAPPY I GOT OUT, ONE OF MY KIDS WAS INJURED.
• 21:57 MY BOYS ARE OFFICERS, MY SON-IN-LAW IS AN OFFICER.
• 22:00 I GOT OUT WHOLE, BUT I'M VERY PLEASED THAT I WAS IN THERE,
• 22:06 BUT I WAS TOLD WHEN YOU HAVE CONFRONTATION,
• 22:08 THIS IS WHEN I WAS GOING TO LEBANON, SO IT'S BACK IN THE 80'S
• 22:11 AND WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, I HEARD A BBC REPORTER SAY IT
• 22:15 AND HE NEVER SHOWED UP IN THE AREA AGAIN, IN ISRAEL, AGAIN.
• 22:17 HE SAID, YOU SHOULD, I WAS TOLD >>EXPLICITLY, HE WAS SITTING IN THE BUS ACROSS THE BORDER,
• 22:20 BEFORE ENTERING INTO THE COMBAT ZONE, HE SAID YOU WILL REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU ARE BEING SHOT AT,
• 22:26 LOOK FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE >>SHOOTING AND IT WILL BE COMING FROM AMONG WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
• 22:31 YOUR CHOICE WILL BE HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF, BUT YOU SHOULD REALIZE,
• 22:35 THE SHOOTING WILL COME FROM AMONG WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
• 22:37 WELL, ONE TIME ONLY ON THE BBC, >>I HEARD ESSENTIALLY THE SAME REALITY.
• 22:42 HE POINTED OUT HOW THE WEAPONS >>WERE STORED BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS OF A HOSPITAL.
• 22:46 THEY ENTERED THE HOSPITAL, THERE WAS MORE MUNITIONS DOWN IN THE BASEMENT.
• 22:51 THERE WERE OBSERVERS ON THE ROOF >>OF THE HOSPITAL.
• 22:53 THAT REPORTER NEVER CAME BACK TO >>THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 22:55 GERALD, A BEDOUIN WITH A KNIFE, >>A SOLDIER WITH A GUN,
• 23:00 EVEN SHOOTING FROM THE ROOF OF A >>HOSPITAL, BUT SAUDI ARABIANS WITH NUCLEAR BOMBS!
• 23:05 ONCE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ENTER THIS >>AREA IN A VISIBLE WAY
• 23:09 AMONG THE VERY COUNTRY THAT IN >>THE FIRST GULF WAR, >>THE KING OF SAUDI ARABIA SAID,
• 23:17 REMEMBER THE QUOTE HE SAID
• 23:18 "WHEN YOU APOLOGIZE, TO HIS >>SOLDIER, I WISH I WERE TAKING >>YOU OUT TO FIGHT ISRAEL,
• 23:23 BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GO FIGHT ANOTHER ARAB COUNTRY".
• 23:27 THAT COUNTRY WILL NOW HAVE WEAPONS,
• 23:31 THE SAME COUNTRY THAT SAID HE WISHED HE WAS TAKING HIS SOLDIERS TO FIGHT ISRAEL.
• 23:34 I JUST SEE THE U.S. BACKING ITSELF INTO A CORNER BECAUSE
• 23:41 IT'S SO DEPENDENT ON THIS OIL, >>HOW SHOULD I SAY, BELLIGERENT TO OIL,
• 23:49 THESE SOURCES OF OIL IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 23:51 I DIDN'T READ THE BOOK "A CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS",
• 23:53 BUT AS I RECALL THERE ARE 20 OR 30 WARS GOING ON AT THE MOMENT AND--
• 23:58 28 WARS AND 25 OF THEM, MUSLIMS ARE ON ONE SIDE.
• 24:05 I MEAN, ARE WE BLIND?
• 24:06 I FEEL CERTAIN THAT WHEN THE PRESIDENTS, PRESIDENT BUSH IS AN EXAMPLE
• 24:10 OR THE LEADERS OF COUNTRIES GET IN--
• 24:12 LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BED AND >>THEY'RE TALKING TO THEIR WIVES.
• 24:14 THEY SAY THE TRUTH AND THEY SAY >>THERE REALLY THIS NUMBER,
• 24:17 BUT I CAN'T SAY IT IN PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY'LL--
• 24:19 AS THE BIBLE SAYS, THERE IS A VALLEY IN NORTHERN ISRAEL CALLED ARMAGEDDON
• 24:23 AND THE BOOK OF REVELATION FOR ONE,
• 24:25 BUT HEBREW PROPHETS AGREE THAT >>AT THE END THERE WILL COME--
• 24:30 EVEN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS TALK >>ABOUT A BATTLE OF THE SONS OF >>LIGHT AND THE SON OF DARKNESS.
• 24:36 DO YOU SEE US AT THE END?
• 24:38 I DON'T LIKE TO MAKE THAT KIND >>OF PREDICTION,
• 24:42 BUT I SEE THAT WE ARE HEADING >>FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE >>A BIG BATTLE
• 24:47 AND I HOPE THIS TIME, I THINK THE BATTLE IS GOING TO COME,
• 24:53 THERE WILL BE HORRENDOUS >>BLOODSHED, BUT I HOPE THIS TIME,
• 24:56 WE AND OUR-- WHO ARE OUR ALLIES?
• 25:00 THE UNITED STATES, MICRONESIA, >>THE ONLY ONES THAT FOR IT.
• 25:05 THE FEW STATES THAT VOTED WITH YOU.
• 25:07 --WILL FINISH THE JOB, WILL FINISH THE JOB PROPLERLY
• 25:12 BECAUSE OTHERWISE WESTERN >>CIVILIZATION IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF CIVILIZATION
• 25:16 AND IN A FEW, JUST IN A FEW DECADES, NOT EVEN A FEW GENERATIONS,
• 25:22 AND SOMEBODY SAID THEY'RE TRYING >>TO DEFEND THE MUSLIM,
• 25:24 I DOUBT IF EVEN 1% OF THE >>MUSLIMS REALLY ARE TERRORISTS.
• 25:28 BUT, IF HE IS RIGHT, IF 1% ARE TERRORISTS, >>THAT IS 10 MILLION TERRORISTS.
• 25:34 10 MILLION. >>THAT'S A LOT.
• 25:39 I MEAN IT TOOK 19 TO BRING DOWN >>THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.
• 25:41 I KNOW IT SOUNDS TERRIBLY PREJUDICIAL, I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT.
• 25:46 SEE, THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
• 25:47 I'M STILL UP HERE IN THE LOGIC, THEY CALL THE CORTEX PART OF THE >>BRAIN, I'M STILL IN AMERICA,
• 25:52 BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL, ETC, DOWN IN MY EMOTIONS, THOUGH,
• 25:54 I'M FEELING A LITTLE DIFFERENT >>THESE DAYS AS I SEE THE REALITY--
• 26:00 I SURE DON'T BLAME YOU.
• 26:00 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE IT >>THERE GERALD, BUT THAT'S QUITE A TESTIMONY,
• 26:05 THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US.
• 26:06 WELL, GERALD SEES A BATTLE >>COMING, MARTY SEES NOTHING BUT >>TROUBLE UNTIL THE END.
• 26:12 WE SHOWED YOU THE TEMPLE MOUNT, >>WHICH IS A BIG BONE-OF-CONTENTION.
• 26:17 BUT, I TELL YOU, THAT'S NOT THE >>HALF OF IT.
• 26:19 THERE'S TWO BIG INVASIONS COMING UP, OF ISRAEL.
• 26:23 NEVER MIND THE PALESTINIANS, THEY ARE A PESKY PROBLEM,
• 26:25 BUT, THE INVASION OF GOG EAND MAGOG IN EZEKIEL 38 & 39
• 26:29 AND OF COURSE, ARMAGEDDON, A >>PEERLESS FINAL BATTLE THAT THE >>LORD WILL PUT A STOP TO.
• 26:35 GOD DOESN'T LIKE IT WHEN YOU ATTACK HIS PEOPLE.
• 26:39 HE SAYS, IT SHALL COME TO PASS, >>I'M READING EZEKIEL 38:18
• 26:42 IT SHALL COME TO PASS AT THE SAME TIME WHEN GOG SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL
• 26:47 SAYETH THE LORD GOD THAT MY FURY >>SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE,
• 26:50 AND YOU CAN READ THE REST OF THE CHAPTER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE INVADERS.
• 26:59 ALL I CAN SAY IS SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, >>PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.