
The Invasion
Standing by a Crusader moat in Caesarea, Zola presents an overview of Pope Urban’s Crusade in 1095, which ultimately resulted in a bad reputation for all true Christians. Zola also interviews Ra’anan Gissin, the chief advisor and spokesman for Prime Minister Sharon, about the long war on terrorism.
Air dates: 2004-Feb-08
Production Code: 764
Episode 1 of 8 in the series “The Crusaders”
Duration: 28:32
Year: 2004
Series code: DCRU
Closed Captioned
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Caption transcript for The Crusaders: “The Invasion” (1/8)
- 00:07 IN 1095 POPE URBAN II DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
- 00:13 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
- 00:17 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
- 00:22 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
- 00:26 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED IN JERUSALEM, ALONE.
- 00:32 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
- 00:42 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
- 00:44 WELCOME TO OUR SERIES ON "THE CRUSADERS".
- 00:47 WHY ARE WE DOING THE CRUSADERS?
- 00:49 THE CRUSADERS WERE CHRISTIAN ARMIES, OF COURSE THAT CAME OUT OF EUROPE AND ATTACKED ISRAEL
- 00:53 STARTING 1099 A.D., A THOUSAND YEARS AGO OR SO AND FOUGHT WITH THE MUSLIMS.
- 00:59 WE ARE COVERING THEM BECAUSE WE ARE FIGHTING WITH THE MUSLIMS OURSELVES
- 01:04 AND OSAMA BIN LADEN, FOR ONE, SAID THAT HE URGES THE MUSLIMS TO "LIBERATE" THE ISLAMIC WORLD
- 01:12 FROM THE MILITARY OCCUPATION OF THE CRUSADERS.
- 01:17 WE ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT OUR ARMY, THE COALITION TROOPS, ETC. ARE CRUSADERS.
- 01:21 THEY ARE SORT OF LIKE THE CRUSADERS AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER IN THIS SERIES
- 01:26 LATER IN THE PROGRAM, WE'LL TALK WITH RA'ANAN GISSIN,
- 01:29 A SENIOR ADVIS██ TO PRIME MINISTER SHARON.
- 01:31 BUT FOR NOW, LET'S GO TO LOCATION IN ISRAEL AT CAESAREA.
- 01:38 OUR LOCATION IS CAESAREA ON THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST OF ISRAEL
- 01:42 WHERE A NUMBER OF CIVILIZATIONS ESTABLISHED A PLACE FOR A HARBOR, A CITY, A TRADING POST,
- 01:50 AND FINALLY CASTLES LIKE THE ONE BEHIND ME
- 01:55 FORTIFIED BY THE CRUSADERS FOR THEIR ADVENTURES HERE IN THE HOLY LAND.
- 02:00 OUR SUBJECT IS PEACE, SOMETHING THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR,
- 02:06 DECADE AFTER DECADE IN OUR TIME, PEACE IN THE HOLY LAND.
- 02:11 SCRIPTURE INDICATES THAT IT'S HARD TO COME BY.
- 02:24 IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET REAL PEACE HERE, EVIDENTLY.
- 02:28 THROUGH THE AGES THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN GRAND EFFORTS EVEN ON GOD'S PART,
- 02:35 FOR PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND, YOU MIGHT SAY.
- 02:38 IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE START, I GUESS,
- 02:41 WAS THE FLOOD WHEN GOD DECIDED PEACE THROUGH ELIMINATING UNBELIEVERS
- 02:47 AND HE SAVED NOAH AND HIS FAMILY ONLY AND HE WENT ON FROM THERE,
- 02:51 BUT SHORTLY AFTER IN THE BIBLE, YOU READ ABOUT THE TOWER OF BABEL
- 02:55 AND FINALLY AT THE END OF THAT VERY CHAPTER, GENESIS 11 OF TARA AND THE BIRTH OF ABRAHAM
- 03:01 AND NOW GOD TURNS TO PEACE THROUGH A CHOSEN PEOPLE AND A PROMISED LAND.
- 03:08 ONE PEOPLE WILL BE A BLESSING TO ALL NATIONS AND THEY WILL BRING PEACE TO THE WORLD,
- 03:15 SUPPOSEDLY IF THEY'LL DO IT WELL.
- 03:17 THIS IS 1000 YEARS BY THE WAY,
- 03:20 THE FLOOD IS GIVE OR TAKE IN BIBLICAL YEARS, 3000 B.C.,
- 03:26 ABRAHAM IS 2000 B.C., ADD 1000 YEARS, YOU HAVE KING DAVID,
- 03:31 PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH AND FAITH.
- 03:34 HIS SON SOLOMON BUILT THE TEMPLE DAVID ESTABLISHED JERUSALEM AS THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL.
- 03:40 THAT WAS 3000 YEARS AGO.
- 03:43 SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE JERUSALEM AS THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL TODAY
- 03:47 INCLUDING THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, BY THE WAY,
- 03:50 WHEN YOU READ THEIR CAPITALS OF EUROPE AND THEIR WEATHER REPORTS AND CAPITALS OF THE MIDDLE EAST.
- 03:58 BUT, IN ANY CASE, DAVID ESTABLISHED JERUSALEM AS THE CAPITAL AND BUILT A KINGDOM
- 04:04 WHERE HE PACIFIED THE BORDER AND THERE WAS STRENGTH AND THERE WAS FAITH FOR AWHILE.
- 04:10 AND THEN MUCH FIGHTING AND WARRING AND TEMPLE THROWN DOWN AND SO ON,
- 04:15 1000 YEARS AFTER DAVID, YOU HAVE THE MESSIAH,
- 04:18 PEACE THROUGH CHANGING MEN WAS HIS IDEA AND THAT WORKS.
- 04:23 MEN WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST FOR THEIR SALVATION ARE BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS.
- 04:27 THEY NEVER MAKE WAR, NOT AGAINST ANYONE.
- 04:30 OTHER KINDS OF PEOPLE CALLED CHRISTIANS DO, BUT BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS DO NOT.
- 04:34 THEY ALWAYS LOVE THE HOLY LAND AND THE CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THEY ARE NOT FIGHTERS.
- 04:38 THEY WILL NOT GO TO WAR EXCEPT WHEN THE LORD WILL LEAD THEM
- 04:41 AGAINST THE ANTI-CHRIST IN ARMAGEDDON AT THE END.
- 04:45 BUT IN ANY CASE, MESSIAH'S WORK AMONG CHANGING MEN HAS ONLY CLAIMED A REMNANT
- 04:52 AND 1000 YEARS AFTER MESSIAH, YOU HAD THE CRUSADES AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE AT CAESAREA
- 04:59 BEHIND ME IS AS CASTLE FORTIFIED BY THE CRUSADERS WHEN THEY ATTACKED HERE IN THE HOLY LAND.
- 05:05 THEIR IDEA WAS PEACE THROUGH TAKING OVER THE PROMISED LAND,
- 05:09 CHANGING IT TO A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY, GETTING RID OF THE MUSLIMS AND AS A MATTER OF FACT,
- 05:14 THE JEWS WHO THEY REALLY DIDN'T APPRECIATE AS CHOSEN PEOPLE
- 05:18 AND THEY DID TAKE THE PLACE OVER FOR A COUPLE OF CENTURIES
- 05:23 AND WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THAT CAREFULLY.
- 05:26 THAT'S NOT THE END OF IT THOUGH.
- 05:28 1000 YEARS AFTER THE CRUSADES, GIVE OR TAKE,
- 05:31 COMES OUR OWN TIME WITH OSLO AND THE ROADMAP
- 05:34 AND THE VARIOUS PEACE PROCESSES AND THE PEOPLE RIDING UP WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS
- 05:37 OF HOW TO MAKE PEACE HERE, THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN.
- 05:41 PEACE THROUGH DIVIDING THE PROMISED LAND IS THE IDEA OF THE ROADMAP OR OSLO,
- 05:47 GIVE HALF OF IT TO THE ENEMIES OF THE CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THAT'LL MAKE PEACE.
- 05:53 WELL, IT HASN'T SUCCEEDED; NONE OF THOSE IDEAS HAVE WORKED.
- 05:56 AND 1000 YEARS AFTER OUR OWN TIME, THAT IS THE LORD WILL COME, HE WILL START THE KINGDOM,
- 06:02 WE WILL HAVE 1000 YEARS OF RELATIVE PEACE, IT STILL WON'T BE TOTALLY PEACEFUL,
- 06:08 BECAUSE EVEN IN THE KINGDOM THERE'S SOME UNBELIEF.
- 06:11 THERE IS BLOOD SACRIFICES AT THE TEMPLE
- 06:13 BECAUSE UNBELIEVERS COME UP TO SEE GOD IN ACCORDANCE WITH ZECH 14:16,
- 06:18 THEY GO TO CELEBRATE THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES EVERY YEAR AND AT THE END OF THE 1000 YEAR REIGN,
- 06:24 THERE IS AN INVASION NAMED FOR GOG AND MAGOG IN REV 19:20
- 06:30 WHERE THEY RIDE UP IN ONE LAST MAD ATTEMPT TO TRY TO WREST THE HOLY LAND
- 06:36 FROM THE CHOSEN PEOPLE, THAT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL.
- 06:38 GOD PUTS DOWN THAT PARTICULAR REBELLION AND FINALLY,
- 06:42 THIS IS THE LAST, THE 7TH IDEA, THERE HAVE BEEN 7,
- 06:45 THE FLOOD, ABRAHAM, DAVID, THE MESSIAH, THE CRUSADES,
- 06:50 OUR OWN PAX-AMERICANA IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT OR WESTERN IDEAS OF PEACE HERE
- 06:55 AND HERE IS THE LAST OF THE 7TH ONE, GOD WILL MAKE NEW HEAVEN,
- 06:59 A NEW EARTH AND A NEW JERUSALEM
- 07:02 AND WE WILL FINALLY HAVE A PERIOD, ETERNITY,
- 07:05 OF PERFECT PEACE WHEN AS REV. 21 SPECIFIES THERE WILL BE "NO MORE TEARS".
- 07:13 BACK AFTER THIS.
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- 07:24 OUR CORRESPONDENCE COURSE, THE INSTITUTE OF JEWISH-CHRISTIAN STUDIES
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- 07:44 WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CRUSADES AS PARTICULARLY COMING DOWN ON THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
- 07:52 THEY HAD BEEN ACCUSED OF DEICIDE WHICH IS THE MURDER OF GOD, SO TO SPEAK,
- 07:59 BY THE EUROPEANS RIGHT ON SINCE THE GOSPEL, EVEN THOUGH JESUS SAID FOR THIS WAS I BORN
- 08:06 AND EVEN THOUGH THE OLD TESTAMENT ANNOUNCES THAT
- 08:08 HE WOULD COME AS A LAMB TO THE SLAUGHTER,
- 08:09 NEVERTHELESS, THEY ARE CONVICTED OF KILLING HIM.
- 08:13 THIS IS SAID BY EUROPEANS AS I SAY, BASICALLY THE ROMAN CATHOLICS THROUGH THE AGES,
- 08:18 BUT NOT BY ARABS BECAUSE IF THE MUSLIM WOULD SAY THEY KILLED GOD,
- 08:23 THAN THAT WOULD BE ADMITTING THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
- 08:26 AND THEY DON'T EXACTLY WANT TO GO THAT FAR.
- 08:28 SO THAT'S AMONG ALL THE ACCUSATIONS THEY PUT ON THE CHOSEN PEOPLE,
- 08:32 THAT'S NOT ONE OF THEM, BUT THEY WERE MURDERED FREELY IN EUROPE, I'M AFRAID.
- 08:37 THIS LEADS UP TO THE CRUSADES BECAUSE THE JEWS BECAME VERY DESPISED.
- 08:42 IN THE 4TH CENTURY IN ITALY A SYNAGOGUE WAS BURNED,
- 08:46 THERE WERE PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT BUT HISTORICALLY THAT'S THE FIRST ONE WE KNOW
- 08:50 AND IT'S SUCH A SHAME THAT IT'S IN ITALY
- 08:52 BECAUSE IT WAS TO THE ROMANS WHO LIVED IN THE CAPITAL OF ITALY THAT PAUL WROTE,
- 09:18 ALL OF THIS IS WRITTEN TO THE ITALIAN AND YET THEY,
- 09:21 WELL LET ME GIVE CREDIT TO THE SWISS, THE FRENCH, ENGLISH,
- 09:26 EVERYBODY SIMPLY CAME DOWN ON THE JEWS IN THEIR TIME.
- 09:31 THE MUSLIMS WHEN THEY CAME IN HERE BEGAN KILLING THE CHOSEN PEOPLE
- 09:36 AND THEY INTRODUCED THE BADGE, THE CODE OF OMAR, THEIR LOCAL LAW FOR THIS PLACE,
- 09:42 MADE THE JEWS WEAR BADGES TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS JEWS.
- 09:46 IT IS THE REVERSE OF THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
- 09:48 THEY WERE CHOSEN FOR DERISION, FOR TAXATION, FOR FORCED CONVERSIONS.
- 09:53 THESE BADGES REAPPEARED IN THE 13TH CENTURY IN EUROPE
- 09:56 AND FINALLY WITH THE NAZIS WHO MADE THE JEWISH PEOPLE WEAR THE YELLOW STAR OF DAVID
- 10:01 ON THEIR COAT SO THEY COULD BE RECOGNIZED WHEREVER THEY WENT.
- 10:05 THE FORCED CONVERSIONS HAVE GONE ON THROUGH THE AGES TOO,
- 10:09 IN SPAIN AFTER THE CRUSADES AND SO ON THROUGHOUT EUROPE.
- 10:14 AND YOU KNOW WHEN I SPOKE IN OHIO AT A LITTLE MENNONITE CHURCH,
- 10:18 A MENNONITE SCHOLAR ACQUAINTED ME WITH THE IDEA THAT PERHAPS MANY OF THE MENNONITES
- 10:23 IN THE MIDWEST WITH THE JEWISH SOUNDING NAME,
- 10:26 LIKE STEINER AND BERGER AND SO FORTH,
- 10:29 WERE ORIGINALLY JEWISH PEOPLE WHO FLED PERSECUTIONS IN GERMANY AND SWITZERLAND,
- 10:35 MANY OF THEM JOINED CHURCHES TO ACT AS CHRISTIANS, RAISE THEIR CHILDREN IN THOSE CHURCHES.
- 10:41 THIS WAS JUST FOR PROTECTION, BIT WASN'T THAT THEY REALLY HAD A CLEAR BELIEF.
- 10:45 BUT, LITTLE BY LITTLE THE JUDAISM GOT LOST AMONG THE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN
- 10:49 AND BY THE TIME THEY CAME OVER TO AMERICA THEY CONSIDERED THEMSELVES BIBLICAL CHRISTIANS,
- 10:55 BUT IN REALITY ARE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
- 10:58 I HAVE A THEORY THAT MORE AMERICAN GENTILES THAN KNOW IT
- 11:04 REALLY ARE DESCENDED FROM JEWS EITHER IN THE SO-CALLED LOST TRIBES
- 11:08 OR OTHER INTERMARRIAGES AND CONVERSIONS AND THIS SORT OF THING.
- 11:12 GOD KNOWS WHERE EVERY DROP OF JEWISH BLOOD IS
- 11:15 AND IT SOMETIMES APPEALS TO ME THAT SOME CHURCHES THAT CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT ISRAEL
- 11:20 PERHAPS HAVE A GREAT MANY JEWISH PEOPLE IN IT AND DON'T EVEN REALLY KNOW IT.
- 11:25 THE ATTACKS BY THE MUSLIMS CONTINUED AND THEY CONTINUE NOW,
- 11:30 I MEAN, THIS IS IN OUR PRESENT DAY CONTINUALLY ATTACKING THE JEWISH PEOPLE
- 11:35 WITH THE TEETH AND WITH TONGUE, KILLING THEM LITERALLY AND TALKING OBVIOUS ANTI-SEMITISM
- 11:43 A VERY, VERY ANGRY AND UNFAIR CRITICISM OF JUDAISM ALL THE TIME.
- 11:52 THE CRUSADERS CAME INTO THAT KIND OF MILIEU THAT WHEN THEY CAME OUT OF EUROPE,
- 11:57 IT WAS A TIME OF KILLING THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THEIR DEICIDE, BECAUSE THEY KILLED CHRIST, ETC.
- 12:03 THE CRUSADES MIGHT HAVE BEEN A NOBLE IDEA ON PAPER,
- 12:07 BUT PERHAPS IT WAS DONE FOR MORE WORLDLY REASONS.
- 12:12 POPE URBAN II HAD THE PROBLEM OF EUROPEAN COUNTRIES FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME
- 12:18 AS THEY STILL DO AND THEY WERE ALL ROMAN CATHOLICS BASICALLY
- 12:22 AND HE WANTED TO UNITE THEM IN SOME COMMON PURPOSE
- 12:25 SO A CRUSADE TO THE HOLY LAND WOULD SERVE THAT PURPOSE.
- 12:29 HE ALSO HAD AN IDEA TO UNIFY THE EASTERN AND WESTERN CATHOLICS.
- 12:35 THE EASTERN CATHOLICS FROM THE BYZANTINES ONWARD WERE SORT OF THEIR OWN CHURCH
- 12:39 AND THEN THE ROMAN CHURCH WAS THE WESTERN SIDE
- 12:43 AND HE WANTED THE TWO TO BECOME ONE STRONG CHURCH.
- 12:46 IT'S PRETTY UNCLEAR WHETHER THAT'S EVER BEEN ACCOMPLISHED,
- 12:50 BUT HE THOUGHT PERHAPS THE CRUSADES WOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT.
- 13:29 WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL KNIGHTS IN THESE CRUSADES WERE THEY SINCERE?
- 13:34 PROBABLY SOME REALLY WERE.
- 13:36 IT'S NO LAUGHING MATTER TO COME FROM ENGLAND OR FRANCE
- 13:40 ALL THE WAY TO THE HOLY LAND BACK IN THOSDAYS.
- 13:43 IT'S A DIFFICULT TRIP IN SOME WAYS EVEN TODAY,
- 13:46 BUT THEY CAME AND THE FOUGHT AND THEY TRIED,
- 13:50 BUT THERE IS ALSO THE REVERSE SIDE.
- 13:53 THEY RECEIVED INDULGENCES FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, REMISSION OF SINS,
- 13:59 FREEDOM FROM DEBTS, RELIEF FROM CIVIC CHARGES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
- 14:05 ALL KINDS OF PERSUASIONS UNREAL, UNSPIRITUAL, I SHOULD SAY.
- 14:11 IN THAT MANNER THEY ARE NOT UNLIKE THE TERRORIST OF TODAY
- 14:15 OR THE PALESTINIANS OR THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACKERS
- 14:19 WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE RECEIVING REMISSIONS OF SINS AND THIS SORT OF THING WHEN THEY ATTACK
- 14:25 AND WHEN THEY KILL THE-- WHAT THEY CALL, THE INFIDELS,
- 14:29 THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OR THE AMERICANS OR WHOMEVER THEY MAY KILL.
- 14:34 THERE WAS THAT AND THEN SOME OF THESE KNIGHTS HAD DEBTS
- 14:38 THAT THEY OWED TO JEWISH PEOPLE IN EUROPE.
- 14:41 THAT WAS RELIEVED IF THEY WENT IN A CRUSADE,
- 14:43 NEVERMIND THE JEWISH PERSON THAT LENT THE MONEY,
- 14:46 HE JUST DIDN'T GET PAID AND THE KNIGHT GOT FREED FROM THE DEBT.
- 14:49 THERE WERE 3 CRUSADES.
- 14:51 I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO DESCRIBE THEM IN DETAIL
- 14:53 OTHER HOW THEY AFFECTED THIS LAND AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
- 14:57 12,000 JEWISH PEOPLE WERE KILLED ON ROUTE IN THE FIRST CRUSADE.
- 15:02 THAT IS ONCE THESE ARMIES GOT A HEAD OF STEAM AND STARTED MARCHING,
- 15:06 WHY THEY JUST KILLED JEWS WHEREVER THEY FOUND THEM,
- 15:08 THE IDEA BEING THAT JEWS WERE GUILTY OF DEICIDE,
- 15:11 THEY WERE GOING TO GO RESCUE THE LAND OF GOD SO THEY WOULD KILL THEM ON THE WAY.
- 15:15 THERE WERE MORE KILLED IN ISRAEL IN THE SECOND CRUSADE.
- 15:18 TO THIS DAY, THE CROSS THAT THESE ARMIES CARRIED IS ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN IN ISRAEL.
- 15:25 THEY DON'T USE A PLUS SIGN IN ARITHMETIC BECAUSE IT LOOKS TOO MUCH LIKE THE CROSS.
- 15:30 THIS IS TRUE OF MUSLIMS TOO, BY THE WAY.
- 15:32 THEY ASKED THE SWISS EMBASSY TO TAKE THEIR FLAG DOWN
- 15:36 BECAUSE IT HAS A CROSS ON IT AND THEY RESENT THE CROSS.
- 15:40 IT JUST CAUSED TOO MANY DEATHS.
- 15:43 IT CAUSED TERRIBLE ATTACKS ALL OVER THE HOLY LAND.
- 15:47 THERE WERE ATTACKS IN THE 2ND CRUSADE ON NAZARETH, ON SOFFED,
- 15:52 ON AKKAR UP THE COAST AND IN THE 3RD CRUSADE,
- 15:57 BY THAT TIME, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT LATE 13TH CENTURY OR MIDDLE 13TH CENTURY
- 16:02 THE EUROPEANS HELD AN AREA ALONG THE COAST, VERY STRONG, FROM TYRE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO JAFFA.
- 16:08 THAT IS FROM UP IN LEBANON TO SOUTH OF WHERE TEL AVIV IS TODAY.
- 16:12 BUT THEY EVENTUALLY WERE ROUTED, ARAB SOLDIERS WITH A MUCH SHORTED SUPPLY LINE
- 16:18 █ CAME ON IN GREAT NUMBERS AND CHASED THEM BACK, CASTLE TO CASTLE.
- 16:23 THEY RETREATED NORTHWARD UP THE COAST AND IN THE END
- 16:27 THOSE THAT COULD NOT FIND A RIDE OUT OF HERE ON SHIPS, TENDED TO MERGE WITH THE LOCAL PEOPLE.
- 16:34 I THINK THEY PUT ON HEADDRESSES OR WHATEVER IT TOOK AND TOOK OFF THEIR ARMOR
- 16:38 AND WANDERED OUT INTO THE SOCIETIES AND TO THIS DAY,
- 16:41 YOU SEE REDHEADED AND BLONDE CHILDREN AMONG THE ARABS HERE PARTICULARLY
- 16:48 WHO EVIDENTLY GO BACK TO CRUSADERS.
- 16:51 I MEAN, LITTLE KIDS WITH FRECKLES AND LIGHT COMPLEXIONS
- 16:54 THAT EVIDENTLY GO BACK TO A CRUSADER PROGENITOR
- 16:58 BECAUSE THE CRUSADER WITH NO RETREAT LEFT TO THEM,
- 17:02 SHIPS DON'T EXACTLY PULL UP JUST WHEN YOU NEED THEM AND WHEN YOU'RE ATTACKED,
- 17:07 THERE'S ALMOST NO CHOICE AND THEY INTERMARRIED IN THE SOCIETY
- 17:11 AND BECAME MIDDLE EASTERNERS IN A WAY.
- 17:13 AND THE 3RD CRUSADE WAS THE END OF THE IDEA.
- 17:16 THEY DID NOT SUCCEED IN TAKING THE HOLY LAND AWAY FROM THOSE THEY CALLED THE INFIDELS
- 17:21 ANYMORE THAN WE'VE SUCCEEDED WITH OUR ROADMAP OR OUR OSLO AGREEMENT
- 17:25 OR ANYTHING ELSE TO TAKE LAND AWAY FROM THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
- 17:30 WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS, THIS IS GOD'S COUNTRY.
- 17:34 THIS IS NOT SOME POLITICAL ENTITY HERE.
- 17:36 FOR DIVIDING IT OR CHANGING THE BOUNDARIES, HISTORY HAS PROVED THAT YOU GET EXTINCTION.
- 17:42 I MEAN, LOOK THE BABYLONIANS, THE PERSIANS THE GREEKS, THE ROMANS, THEY'RE ALL EXTINCT.
- 17:48 THE CRUSADERS CAME AND WENT, THE ARABS OF TODAY ARE COMING ON STRONG,
- 17:54 BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WILL EITHER SURVIVE TO TAKE THIS HOLY LAND, OF COURSE NOT.
- 18:08 A VERY STRONG VERSE FOR THE TIMES
- 18:11 AND SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE REMAINS OF ONE OF THESE FORTIFIED CASTLES
- 18:17 WITH IT'S TREMENDOUS WALL, IT'S DEEP MOATS
- 18:20 THROUGH WHICH THEY INTENDED TO PUSH SEA WATER TO DEFEND THEM- SELVES AGAINST THE LOCALS HERE.
- 18:26 THAT DIDN'T WORK. IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T BRING PEACE. IT BROUGHT NOTHING BUT MURDER.
- 18:30 IT GAVE A BAD NAME TO CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
- 18:36 IT WAS ALREADY A RIVALRY BETWEEN ISLAM WHICH IN IT'S TIME,
- 18:40 TO GIVE IT CREDIT, WAS A SUCCESSFUL SOCIETY
- 18:44 AND A PRODUCTIVE AND INTELLIGENT SOCIETY.
- 18:48 EUROPEAN CHRISTIANITY WHICH WAS AN UPSTART AT THE TIME,
- 18:53 BUT IT STARTED MORE THAN A RIVALRY, IT STARTED A DOWN-RIGHT WAR.
- 18:57 THAT WAR HAS BEEN ON PRETTY MUCH EVER SINCE.
- 18:59 WE ARE SEEING THE RESULTS OF IT TODAY AS THE MIDDLE EAST TURNS AROUND
- 19:04 AND CRUSADES AGAINST THE WEST AS IN THE ATTACKS ON ISRAEL OR ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
- 19:10 OR THE VARIOUS EUROPEAN CAPITALS AND EVEN IN THE FAR EAST
- 19:14 WHERE THERE'S BEEN MUSLIM TERRORISM AGAINST THE REST OF THE WORLD.
- 19:19 THE MUSLIM-CHRISTIAN RIVALRY GOES ON.
- 19:21 IT DIDN'T EXACTLY START AT THE CRUSADES, BUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER
- 19:26 AND WE ARE LIVING IN A KIND OF RESULT OF THESE ILL-FATED CRUSADES.
- 19:33 RA'ANAN GISSIN WAS ALWAYS VERY KIND TO US WHEN HE WAS A COLONEL IN THE ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCES.
- 19:41 HE WAS A SPOKESMAN FOR THAT ISRAELI ARMY AND HE IS WELL SPOKEN IN ENGLISH
- 19:47 AND HE HAS NOW RISEN TO THE LEVEL OF THE SENIOR ADVISOR AND SPOKESMAN
- 19:51 FOR THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL, ARIEL SHARON.
- 19:55 WE WENT TO THE KNESSET TO TALK WITH HIM.
- 19:57 HIS OFFICE IS THERE IN THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COUNTRY.
- 19:59 THAT WAS QUITE A BIT OF SECURITY TO GET IN THERE WITH OUR CAMERAS BUT WE PASSED THROUGH.
- 20:05 WE WERE ABLE TO INTERVIEW HIM.
- 20:08 WE BEGIN OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE SLANT THAT THE MEDIA TAKES ABOUT ISRAEL.
- 20:14 SO, ON FOX NEWS WHICH YOU HAVE ON IN YOUR OFFICE AS WE WALKED IN,
- 20:19 WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, LIKE HERE'S A STORY FROM IRAQ, HERE'S A STORY FROM EGYPT,
- 20:25 NOW TURNING TO THE MIDDLE EAST. RIGHT.
- 20:28 AS IF ISRAEL--
- 20:30 ALL THESE ARE LIKE SIDELINE STORIES AND THE REAL STORY THAT IS GOING ON
- 20:36 IS THIS WAR, THIS CONFLICT BETWEEN AND ISRAELIS WHERE THERE'S NO RESOLUTION.
- 20:43 IT'S THE CONFLICT THAT ALL THE OTHER CONFLICTS DWARF IN COMPARISON TO IT.
- 20:48 THIS IS THE MEDIA'S PERSPECTIVE AND IF YOU TALK TO ME,
- 20:52 WHAT IS THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE OR CRITICAL CONFLICT TODAY GOING ON
- 20:58 WHICH HAS FAR REACHING IMPLICATIONS FOR THE STABILITY OF THE REGION,
- 21:01 STABILITY OF THE WORLD, I'D SAY IRAN.
- 21:04 NOT THIS CONFLICT WHICH IS INSTITUTIONALIZED CONTAINED MORE OR LESS, YES.
- 21:10 THERE ARE PROBLEMS THAT SEEM TO BE WITH NO SOLUTION AT THE TIME,
- 21:16 BUT ATTRACTABLE, BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE ALONG
- 21:20 WE'VE SEEN THAT THIS CONFLICT HAS CHANGED IN SHAPE
- 21:23 AND WE MOVED A LONG WAY TOWARDS A SOLUTION IN THIS CONFLICT.
- 21:26 CASUALTY FOR CASUALTY EVEN NOW, DAY BY DAY,
- 21:30 THERE ARE MORE CASUALTIES AMONG AMERICAN TROOPS OR COALITION TROOPS IN IRAQ
- 21:34 THAN THERE ARE IN CIVILIANS TO TERRORISM HERE.
- 21:38 YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE WAR--
- 21:41 WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING A WAR OF TERRORISM FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, WAS IMPOSED ON US.
- 21:45 DAY AND NIGHT, WE HAD THE HORRENDOUS SUICIDE BOMBING ATTACKS,
- 21:50 I THINK OVER 125 OR 130 OF THEM WHO SUCCEEDED TO PENETRATE.
- 21:56 OUR CASUALTY RATE IN THE PAST 3 YEARS HAS BEEN 892 IN COMPARABLE TERMS IN THE UNITED STATES
- 22:05 THAT WOULD BE A KEY TO 49,000 MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN KILLED IN TERRORISTIC ACTION.
- 22:11 WE'RE A SMALL COUNTRY, SO CASUALTIES ARE FELT VERY DEEPLY.
- 22:15 WE HAVE WHOLE FAMILIES THAT WERE WIPED OUT HERE.
- 22:18 BUT THE POINT IS THAT OTHER SOCIETIES WOULD HAVE PROBABLY GONE INTO DESPAIR
- 22:26 OR YOU'D SEE THEM DISINTEGRATE.
- 22:28 BUT THERE IS SOMETHING, NOT MYSTICAL,
- 22:32 BUT SOMETHING HISTORICAL ABOUT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
- 22:36 THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO SURVIVE FOR 4,000 YEARS CONTINUOUSLY
- 22:42 AFTER THEY'VE BEEN PERSECUTED AND DRIVEN OUT OF THEIR LAND AND THEN HAD TO SUFFER 65 YEARS AGO,
- 22:49 A HOLOCAUST, WHERE 1/3 OF OUR PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND STILL LIKE THE PHOENIX,
- 22:53 WE RISE OUT OF THE ASHES.
- 22:55 SO THERE IS SOMETHING TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD DESCRIBE IT AND SAY
- 22:58 THAT MAYBE THERE IS SURVIVAL GENES IMPRINTED ON OUR DNA CODE
- 23:03 WHICH MAKE US A RESILIENT NATION.
- 23:07 WELL, THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS YOU AND I TALKED MORE THAN A DECADE AGO
- 23:11 AND YOU SAID THIS SAME THING.
- 23:13 YOU SAID AT THAT TIME I THINK YOU PUT IT, OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ARE EXUBERANT, ENTHUSIASTIC
- 23:19 THE SOCIETY IS MOVING AND GENERATING AND IT'S PROVED, I GUESS.
- 23:25 I THINK YOU AS, A JOURNALIST WHO TRAVELS AROUND THE WORLD AND YOU SEE VARIOUS PEOPLE,
- 23:31 DIFFERENT SOCIETIES UNDER ANGUISH OR CONFLICT
- 23:35 AND I THINK ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO JUDGE THE RESILIENCE, THE TENACITY OF THE SOCIETY,
- 23:41 THE VIBRANCY OF IT IS TO LOOK IN THE EYES OF CHILDREN.
- 23:45 HERE WE'VE BEEN UNDER WAR FOR 3 YEARS,
- 23:49 BUT YOU SEE THE BRIGHT HOPE IN THE EYES OF CHILDREN HERE
- 23:53 AND IF YOU LOOK AT CHILDREN IN CAMBODIA, FOR EXAMPLE, OR VIET NAM,
- 23:58 IT'S A DEAD-LOOK IN THEIR EYE.
- 24:01 AND THIS IS A GOOD INDICATION ABOUT WHAT THE SOCIETY IS ALL ABOUT PERHAPS,
- 24:07 YOU KNOW, A VISUAL INDICATION, IT'S A VIBRANT SOCIETY.
- 24:10 AND I WOULD NOT DENY THAT WE HAVE SOME DEGENERATION OF CELLS OR PART OF OUR SOCIETY
- 24:16 WHICH ARE DEGENERATING AND ARE NOT FUNCTIONING AS WE WANT,
- 24:21 THERE IS A WIDE GAP, A SOCIO-ECONOMIC GAP.
- 24:24 WE HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH REGARD TO WHAT SHOULD BE THE DEFINITION OF THE STATE.
- 24:32 SHOULD IT BE A JEWISH STATE OR A STATE OF ALL IT'S CITIZENS,
- 24:35 REAL CRITICAL ISSUES THAT ARE BEING DEBATED.
- 24:37 BUT IT'S A VIBRANT SOCIETY THAT WHERE YOU SEE, PERHAPS, INSOLUBLE CONFLICTS
- 24:45 AND THE POSSIBILITY OF FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS,
- 24:48 YOU ALSO SEE A REGENERATION OF THE SOCIETY AND THAT REGENERATION COMES ABOUT
- 24:55 BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION THAT COMES TO ISRAEL.
- 24:58 ABOUT 1.2 MILLION IMMIGRANTS CAME FROM THE FORMER SOVIET UNION
- 25:01 AND FROM ETHIOPIA IN LESS THAN 10 YEARS.
- 25:04 IN OTHER WORDS, 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO, WE WERE 4 MILLION JEWS IN THIS COUNTRY.
- 25:10 NOW WE ARE OVER 5.4 MILLION AND ALL TOGETHER 6.5 MILLION PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS STATE.
- 25:17 SO WITH ALL THOSE DOOM-SAYERS THAT SAY WELL, ISRAEL IS FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS,
- 25:21 ISRAEL HAS NO FUTURE, EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO DISINTEGRATE OR TURN INTO A BI-NATIONAL STATE,
- 25:28 I JUST DRAW YOU TO THE STATISTICS.
- 25:30 IN 1948, 55 YEARS AGO,THERE WERE ONLY 600,000
- 25:35 AND IN THE 30'S THERE WERE ONLY 400,000 LIVING HERE.
- 25:40 AND TODAY TO A SOCIETY OF 6.5 MILLION PEOPLE, A VIBRANT ECONOMY,
- 25:44 A PEOPLE WHO ARE LEADING TODAY IN THE HIGH-TECH INDUSTRY, IN MEDICINE.
- 25:50 WE BUILT SCIENTIFIC AND RESEARCH INSTITUTION.
- 25:54 WE REVIVED THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS 2,000 YEARS DEAD, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE,
- 25:58 BECAUSE WE ABSORB PEOPLE COMING FROM 102 COUNTRIES, SPEAKING 82 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
- 26:06 WHAT LANGUAGE COULD THEY SPEAK?
- 26:09 ONE OF THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMENTS, I WOULD SAY WAS REVIVING THE HEBREW LANGUAGE
- 26:14 WHICH WAS THE COMMON LANGUAGE OF THESE PEOPLE
- 26:16 COMING FROM ALL DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND THE WORLD.
- 26:20 WE'LL HAVE MORE FROM CHIEF ADVISOR, RA'ANAN GISSIN ON OUR NEXT PROGRAM.
- 26:25 AN INTERESTING THING HE SAID WAS THAT JEWISH SURVIVAL IN THE LAND,
- 26:29 HE CALLED IT MYSTICAL SURVIVAL. IT'S NOT PRECISELY MYSTICAL, IT'S SCRIPTURAL.
- 26:36 THE BIBLE IS SIMPLY FULL OF THAT.
- 26:38 THE ENTIRE FUTURE OF BOTH THE BELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVERS
- 26:43 IS CONCERNED WITH ISRAEL IN THE LAND.
- 26:45 THE UNBELIEVERS WANT TO GET ISRAEL OUT AND THEY WILL EVEN RESORT TO ARMAGEDDON.
- 26:48 THE BELIEVERS WANT TO JOIN ISRAEL IN THE LAND,
- 26:51 THE BELIEVING ISRAELIS IN THE KINGDOM TO COME
- 26:55 AND WE WANT TO GO IN AND THAT'S HOW THE SCRIPTURE IS WRITTEN,
- 26:58 THE JEWS RESTORED TO THE LAND AND THERE IS NOTHING MYSTICAL ABOUT IT.
- 27:02 IT NEEDS SOME BIBLE READING AND IT'S UNDERSTOOD COMPLETELY.
- 27:06 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.

