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Battle of Gog and Magog
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The nations surrounding Israel are bent on its destruction. Thousands of years ago, Ezekiel foretold an end-times war, but also predicted a miraculous Israelite triumph. (Ezekiel 38)
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Caption transcript for Ezekiel and the MidEast ‘Piece’ Process (2023): “Battle of Gog and Magog” (7/8)
- 00:01 David Hart: Shalom again. On today's program, Ezekiel tells of a future attack
- 00:07 and invasion of Israel. The names of the nations involved will probably not
- 00:09 surprise you.
- 00:11 Find out next on "Our Jewish Roots" with Bible teaching by
- 00:14 Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
- 00:15 ♪♪♪
- 00:20 ♪♪♪
- 00:25 narrator: "The Lord said unto Ezekiel,
- 00:28 'Son of Man, can these bones live?
- 00:38 Prophesy upon these bones and say unto them,
- 00:41 "Oh ye, dry bones, hear the word of the Lord."'"
- 00:46 ♪♪♪
- 00:53 ♪♪♪
- 01:03 ♪♪♪
- 01:13 David: "Ezekiel and the Mid East 'Piece' Process."
- 01:20 David: Thank you for joining us today.
- 01:21 I am David Hart.
- 01:23 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
- 01:24 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I'm Jeffrey Seif.
- 01:25 Kirsten: Okay, guys, today is the infamous
- 01:28 "Gog and Magog," right?
- 01:30 The talk of who are these world powers that are gonna attack
- 01:34 Israel in the end?
- 01:35 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, the terms "Gog" and "Magog" might
- 01:39 not mean something to all that are listening but Bible readers
- 01:42 that are into prophecy, that are into Ezekiel,
- 01:46 that speaks to images of Russia,
- 01:50 the way it's been classically construed.
- 01:52 Ezekiel speaks of Israel's resurrection and then trouble
- 01:56 coming from the north, and that's the way those dots have
- 01:59 been connected, traditionally.
- 02:01 Kirsten: Yeah, I was--sorry, I didn't mean to jump on you,
- 02:03 but so many people, they all try to read into who is it?
- 02:07 Who's that world power?
- 02:09 And it's always kind of changing a little bit, isn't it?
- 02:11 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, the way people perceive
- 02:13 it is changing.
- 02:14 In terms of authorial intent, what Ezekiel had in mind,
- 02:18 even if we don't get the names all correct,
- 02:20 regional powers round about a reconstituted Israel invest
- 02:25 energies in snuffing the new state out.
- 02:29 And we certainly see that in modernity,
- 02:31 just as he spoke about in antiquity.
- 02:34 David: War coming up in this program, yes?
- 02:36 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: War, unfortunately, yes.
- 02:38 Wars and rumors of wars.
- 02:40 David: Yes, right now, we take you to Israel to hear more
- 02:44 about that future war with Dr. Seif's teaching.
- 02:47 Let's go there right now.
- 02:51 narrator: Ezekiel 38.
- 02:55 Place: a region north of Israel.
- 02:59 Time: the latter years.
- 03:06 A mighty army prepares to invade Israel.
- 03:10 All of them clothed with all sorts of armor,
- 03:14 even a great company, and thou shall come up against my people.
- 03:21 Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking
- 03:25 in the land of Israel.
- 03:29 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Why do the nations rage?
- 03:32 The Psalmist raised that question thousands of years ago
- 03:35 and I wanna raise it now and answer it.
- 03:39 And I want to identify particularly what nations.
- 03:43 Ezekiel, as we've seen in a previous segment,
- 03:47 noted how the nations round about Israel proper,
- 03:50 all around the rim of Israel, would incur God's judgment.
- 03:55 He mentioned Ammon, Moab, Edom, Philistia, Gaza.
- 03:59 He talked about Tire and Sidon, which is modern Lebanon.
- 04:04 In this segment, we'll see how Ezekiel expands the vision for
- 04:09 the war that plays out at the very edge of time.
- 04:14 Therein, Ezekiel goes beyond the local region and goes far north
- 04:18 to what would arguably modern Russia.
- 04:21 He goes to the far east, well, not to the Far East as we know
- 04:25 it, but certainly further from here,
- 04:27 when he looks at Persia which is modern Iran.
- 04:30 I find it interesting that people say,
- 04:32 "No nuclear problem there today," but the prophet Ezekiel
- 04:36 envisioned particular problems from that part of the world.
- 04:40 And then he goes over to Northern Africa as well,
- 04:43 as Ezekiel forecasts things to come in a world caught ablaze.
- 04:50 Here, I'm at a place where there's acre after acre of the
- 04:54 accoutrements of war, Phantom jets, Mirage jets.
- 04:58 It speaks of the technology of a bygone era.
- 05:02 There's different kinds of anti-aircraft battery.
- 05:05 Spirited souls fought.
- 05:08 Ezekiel had envisioned that Israel would be reconstituted at
- 05:12 a nation state.
- 05:13 Brave men lay down their life as God's instrument to facilitate
- 05:18 that happening.
- 05:20 And they armed these batteries and they manned these planes.
- 05:25 You can hear planes streaking overhead as Israel gears up its
- 05:29 military culture, as Israel makes itself ready for things to
- 05:34 come, things described by the prophet Ezekiel who noted in the
- 05:39 37th chapter that Israel would be reconstituted as a nation
- 05:43 state but then he went on to note that there's trouble coming
- 05:48 as Israel's reemergence invokes the ire of states round about
- 05:53 and brings into being then a conflict that will be a war that
- 05:57 has no equal in human history.
- 06:01 narrator: Invasion in Ezekiel's time:
- 06:05 spears, swords, the billowing clouds of barbaric hordes.
- 06:11 Fast forward 2600 years "and they shall know
- 06:16 that I am the Lord."
- 06:22 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, there'll be adversaries on the
- 06:25 ground and they'll be met by ground troops as well as forces
- 06:30 from the air.
- 06:32 I'm coming to you in front of a famous weapon in Israel's
- 06:35 arsenal, and this jet carried 28,000 pounds of bombs and I'm
- 06:42 sure before he took off that pilot decided to fasten his
- 06:47 seatbelts and now I want you to fasten yours and go with me on a
- 06:55 journey back to the future, back in time.
- 06:58 If you'll open up your Bibles please to the prophet Ezekiel,
- 07:03 the 38th chapter.
- 07:05 I'm gonna read this in my version.
- 07:08 You feel free to read it in yours.
- 07:11 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 07:14 "And the Word of the Lord came to me saying,
- 07:19 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 07:21 Son of man,
- 07:22 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 07:25 Son of man, set your face toward Gog,"
- 07:28 the leader of some confederacy,
- 07:33 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 07:35 "of the land of Magog."
- 07:37 Magog, by the way, is arguably a number of these countries,
- 07:41 just the southern part of the former USSR.
- 07:48 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 07:51 "The chief prince of Meshech and Tubal."
- 07:56 Both of these refer to lands south
- 07:58 of the Black and Caspian Seas.
- 08:01 As noted in a previous segment, here the prophetic word is
- 08:07 reaching beyond Israel and its immediate neighbors and it's
- 08:11 going into country that was once occupied by those that flew
- 08:17 under the banner of the USSR.
- 08:20 The prophet says,
- 08:22 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 08:24 prophesy against them
- 08:26 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 08:28 and say,
- 08:29 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 08:30 Thus saith the Lord God;
- 08:32 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 08:34 I am against thee, O Gog."
- 08:38 And it's not just Gog and those that work in that confederacy,
- 08:43 but--the confederacy just noted, but the list of countries that
- 08:48 are involved in this climactic war which God says he's against
- 08:52 is outlined further in verse 5,
- 08:55 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 08:57 which would be Persia in antiquity,
- 09:00 it's Iran in modernity.
- 09:02 There's a federation of Russian satellites and we're told here
- 09:09 that Perus is involved.
- 09:12 And you know, today, the relationship between Iran and
- 09:17 Russia is so very fascinating the way they've hopped in bed
- 09:20 with each other, politically, militarily.
- 09:23 It's the Russians that are helping fuel the nuclear program
- 09:28 that we're all like ostriches sticking our heads in the sands
- 09:32 just, maybe if we don't look at it,
- 09:33 we don't have to worry about it being there.
- 09:36 The people that flew this plane here in Israel,
- 09:39 they can't afford to be so comfortable.
- 09:42 They can't afford the exercise in self-deceit.
- 09:46 This prophet envisions there's a war.
- 09:49 In chapter 37, Israel is reconstituted.
- 09:52 In chapter 38, he sees energies being mobilized
- 09:56 against this fledgling state.
- 09:58 I wish people were Bible readers that made decisions about what
- 10:00 they thought was happening in the world
- 10:02 and how to deal with it.
- 10:03 Well, he mentions here in verse 5,
- 10:04 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 10:06 "Persia,
- 10:07 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 10:08 which would be Sudan bleeding into Ethiopia, and then he goes,
- 10:14 Put or Pot which is modern Libya.
- 10:18 What's interesting is this writer sees Israel central and
- 10:23 then this writer observes satellite Russian states,
- 10:28 this writer observes Persia or Iran,
- 10:32 this writer observes as well that states in northern Africa
- 10:38 getting involved in this coalition.
- 10:41 He mentions in verse 6:
- 10:44 [speaking in Hebrew],
- 10:46 well, he mentions Gomer, just leave it at that.
- 10:48 And then he says,
- 10:49 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 10:52 the house of Togarmah,"
- 10:53 and here we're looking at modern Turkey, arguably.
- 10:57 What you need to do is go to a Bible atlas and look at these
- 11:00 countries that are mentioned and see where they are,
- 11:03 and you'll see the countries round about Israel.
- 11:07 It's amazing that thousands of years ago,
- 11:11 this prophet called the shot, and these shots that are fired
- 11:17 in this war, indeed, will be shots
- 11:20 that are heard around the world.
- 11:23 And not only these states, but then he mentions
- 11:26 at the tail end of verse 6,
- 11:28 [speaking in Hebrew]
- 11:31 He says, "And many peoples with thee."
- 11:34 There's this massive coalition of forces that have their
- 11:39 energies vested in destroying this fledgling nation state.
- 11:45 In verse 8, we're told, "After many days this army will be
- 11:48 mustered for service: in the latter years--"
- 11:53 This is fascinating 'cause the author telegraphs
- 11:56 to the edge of time.
- 11:58 While it's true that from Ezekiel's perspective,
- 12:02 the Persians wound up getting the better of the Babylonians,
- 12:06 one could say that you can see movement in the area.
- 12:10 But there's nothing of the magnitude that's described here.
- 12:15 This beckons one to look beyond the present into the future.
- 12:21 And how fascinating is it that with the Hatikvah chapter,
- 12:26 with the regathering of Israel chapter,
- 12:28 right after that, this author describes participants in a war
- 12:34 and we're seeing this happen before our eyes today.
- 12:39 And this writer says that the war described yesterday
- 12:43 belongs to tomorrow.
- 12:45 He says, "This belongs," in verse 8, "to the latter years."
- 12:49 He says, "You'll come against the land
- 12:51 that's brought back from the sword."
- 12:54 Israel is the land that was brought back from the sword.
- 12:58 "That is gathered out of many peoples,
- 13:00 and you will come against the mountains of Israel."
- 13:04 The Bible said it, I believe it.
- 13:06 And what's fascinating is what the Bible said then,
- 13:10 seems to be happening now.
- 13:12 What a story.
- 13:14 The Word of God proves true, does it not?
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- 15:22 Speaking of Dr. Seif and Israel, we're going back there right now
- 15:27 and we're gonna find out more about this war.
- 15:34 narrator: "Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm,
- 15:38 thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land,
- 15:42 thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee."
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- 15:53 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And the dogs of war will be unleashed,
- 15:57 and the engines of war will be turned on and ramped up as
- 16:03 pressures in the region move people to a war,
- 16:08 the likes of which history has not seen.
- 16:14 Again, planes overhead, acres of planes round about.
- 16:20 I'm coming to you from Israel, a country that's known war
- 16:24 and is ready for war.
- 16:26 If you'll look with me in Ezekiel chapter 38,
- 16:29 verse 15, you'll discover that the war described here is
- 16:34 spearheaded that come from forces out of the uttermost
- 16:38 parts of the north.
- 16:41 If you would look from Israel proper and go due north,
- 16:44 you'd eventually run into Moscow.
- 16:47 Here, the prophet says, "And you'll come from thy place out
- 16:51 of the uttermost parts of the north,
- 16:54 you and many peoples with thee."
- 16:58 There's a federation.
- 17:00 We've already considered different parties
- 17:02 to that federation.
- 17:04 In verse 16, the prophet says that this conflict is reserved
- 17:09 for a point in history that this prophet calls,
- 17:11 quote, "The end of days."
- 17:15 He says, "And it shall be in the end of days that I will bring
- 17:18 you against my land."
- 17:21 My land, Israel.
- 17:23 At the ragged edge of time, forces are mobilized to bring
- 17:29 pressure to bear here in Israel.
- 17:34 What's the outcome of this struggle?
- 17:37 If you'll look with me, please, in verse 23 at the end,
- 17:42 we discover that, well, in the verse beforehand God is gonna
- 17:46 rain hail, brimstone, that forces are gonna be brought to
- 17:52 bear to hold at bay the masses whose energies are invested in
- 17:58 the destruction of the nation state of Israel.
- 18:02 The Bible says that "he who keepeth watch over Israel
- 18:06 neither slumbers nor sleeps."
- 18:09 But it seems to me that many in the church are slumbering and
- 18:13 sleeping today.
- 18:15 Many denominational officials have fallen asleep when it comes
- 18:19 to Israel and the Jews.
- 18:21 Many professors of theology have fallen asleep.
- 18:25 Many pastors are asleep, and many in the pews are unaware of
- 18:30 what's happening in the world because they don't perceive what
- 18:33 was forecasted in the Word.
- 18:36 Oh, if one would just take the Bible to mean what it says and
- 18:40 says what it means, faith would be built up.
- 18:44 But Jesus, in his parable, said, "At the end of days many will
- 18:49 slumber and sleep," but my hope is that many will wake up and
- 18:54 smell the coffee and see that God is at work in the world,
- 18:59 that forces aren't just spiraling out of control,
- 19:02 but rather the Lord is watching over his Word to perform it.
- 19:07 To what end?
- 19:08 In verse 23 he says, "Thus will I magnify myself,
- 19:15 and sanctify myself; and I will make myself known in the eyes of
- 19:20 many--many nations, and they will know that I am the Lord."
- 19:26 At the end of days, God shows himself strong with the net
- 19:31 result that people come to acknowledge the God of Israel.
- 19:35 But not everyone acknowledges the God of Israel.
- 19:37 We're told here in the text that forces from due north will
- 19:41 invest their energies against Israel,
- 19:44 which reminds me, here I am in front of this jet,
- 19:47 a Phantom, a jet of a bygone era,
- 19:50 that was commandeered by the Syrians that came to Syria by
- 19:55 way of Russia.
- 19:58 A Syrian pilot defected, came to Israel.
- 20:02 Israel offered the pilot residency.
- 20:05 He opted to later go to North America and,
- 20:09 while there, his head was unfortunately severed
- 20:12 from his body.
- 20:14 Time caught up with him and the Syrians let him know
- 20:19 what they thought of him.
- 20:21 Friends, I believe that time will catch up with us and,
- 20:25 instead of losing our heads, let's gain our wits.
- 20:29 And the way that we can get our wits,
- 20:31 I believe, is to look at world events through a biblical lens.
- 20:39 Scripture says the Lord declares the end from the beginning,
- 20:43 and I find it fascinating to hear review that the prophet
- 20:47 Ezekiel envisioned that God would bring judgment to bear
- 20:51 against the nations round about Israel.
- 20:54 And not just those bordering the rim,
- 20:56 but he mentions nations expanding due East and North
- 21:00 and West that come against Israel.
- 21:03 He notes as well that inasmuch as there's struggles against
- 21:06 Israel, and that context, he notes Israel's reemergence as a
- 21:11 strong nation state and then he says that these forces
- 21:15 eventually come against Israel but God watches over Israel and
- 21:20 gives Israel good success at the end of days.
- 21:22 What a story, what a Word, straight from the pages of
- 21:26 biblical literature.
- 21:30 Kirsten: So we know this coming war is imminent.
- 21:34 It's going to happen.
- 21:36 My question, and I think it's kind of an obvious,
- 21:39 what do we do with that information?
- 21:41 How do we walk out our day-to-day,
- 21:44 knowing this is coming?
- 21:45 It's very dooming.
- 21:48 We have to walk in hope, correct?
- 21:50 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I think Americans,
- 21:51 whatever wars are happening in Middle East,
- 21:53 we're surrounded by thousands of miles of ocean on either side of
- 21:58 our country and we're not really worried about Canada,
- 22:00 we're not really all that worried about Mexico,
- 22:03 though there are concerns, to be sure.
- 22:06 But people in other parts of the world are very much concerned
- 22:09 about the geopolitical scene for fear of annihilation.
- 22:12 For us, it's like, hmm, I wonder what is gonna happen,
- 22:15 but we're not faced with the pressures associated with it.
- 22:19 I think Israelis that live in the land are concerned.
- 22:23 Similarly, mothers of Arab boys and girls
- 22:26 are concerned round about too.
- 22:28 It's the children of both that are gonna be involved
- 22:30 in a conflagration and, unfortunately,
- 22:33 Israel's presence stirs it up and there are tensions that
- 22:37 still abide to this day.
- 22:39 Goodness, Bible readers are concerned about trouble coming
- 22:42 from across the Euphrates.
- 22:44 That's where Iran is located.
- 22:46 To questions in today's program about Gog and Magog,
- 22:49 trouble coming from the north.
- 22:51 The northern bear, Russia, raises its hoary head,
- 22:55 so people are concerned but I think for us here,
- 22:59 it's more of a curiosity than anything.
- 23:02 Kirsten: Come--go ahead.
- 23:03 David: I was gonna say, we've been saying this for 40 years
- 23:06 on this program, at the end of our program,
- 23:08 "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem."
- 23:10 We don't just say it, but we mean that,
- 23:13 to pray for Israel, for Jerusalem.
- 23:16 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, and that's for the sake of Jewish
- 23:18 children and Arab children round about.
- 23:23 Blood flows the same color from both,
- 23:26 and mothers weep over the death of their sons in both cases.
- 23:30 And we want peace in the world for all peoples of the world.
- 23:34 While it's true, this program is game to accentuate Israel's
- 23:39 emergence in the latter days, but Israel's emergence isn't
- 23:46 to facilitate war, though apparently that happens.
- 23:49 But it's God's plan to rejuvenate and restore planet
- 23:52 Earth and all peoples and families on it.
- 23:56 Kirsten: I really appreciate you saying
- 23:57 about mothers on all ends.
- 24:00 If, you know, Russia's the Gog, if. If, if, if.
- 24:04 There are moms up there that those are their kids going out
- 24:08 to fight and those are husbands and brothers and we lose sight
- 24:12 of the humanity in the picture of what's coming.
- 24:16 And that's hard sometimes, to lose the humanity of it.
- 24:19 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Russian mothers have lost tens of
- 24:21 thousands of their own in recent memory.
- 24:26 You know, there's political intrigue.
- 24:28 Powers send these barely teenagers off
- 24:31 to war to do the dying.
- 24:33 And you know, I wanna be sympathetic toward all of that.
- 24:38 Kirsten: And I appreciate that and we have two boys.
- 24:41 I can't imagine them being involved
- 24:44 in this coming-up-time war.
- 24:46 Nobody wants that. We want peace.
- 24:48 And I think the good news of Ezekiel's message that the piece
- 24:52 of the puzzle is that God's hope is to restore
- 24:55 all of humanity also.
- 24:57 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, and we need it.
- 24:58 In the last 100 years, over 100 million have died.
- 25:02 And you know, in the Newer Testament we're told we're not
- 25:06 contending against flesh and blood, but--
- 25:10 and there is evil in the world and an evil one and,
- 25:14 you know, it's the young, principally,
- 25:17 that are thrown, you know, into these battlefields.
- 25:20 World War I wiped out teenage population in Europe, you know?
- 25:26 And it's tragic for everyone.
- 25:29 Kirsten: It is and I guess, in the meantime,
- 25:32 we pray, we pray, we pray for peace.
- 25:36 We pray for the people involved and we reach as many souls
- 25:40 as we can, I think.
- 25:42 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, kudos to those that pray for the world
- 25:46 and we wanna bring peace to all people in it.
- 25:48 I love Jewish people.
- 25:50 I love the Israeli nation state.
- 25:52 I love and God loves Arab peoples too.
- 25:55 May it be that what it says on the Christmas cards comes true
- 25:58 soon: Peace on Earth and goodwill
- 26:00 toward all women and men.
- 26:02 David: "Red and yellow, black and white,
- 26:03 all are precious in his sight."
- 26:06 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Speaking of sight,
- 26:07 we've got to go out of sight.
- 26:09 Come back next week, please.
- 26:10 Until then, Shaalu shalom Yerushalayim.
- 26:14 David: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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