Caption transcript for “Behind the Veil” with Ergun Caner, Part 2

• 00:09 BRETHREN, MY HEART'S DESIRE AND PRAYER TO GOD FOR ISRAEL IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
• 00:14 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GENTILE.
• 00:18 FOR THE SAME LORD OVERALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM.
• 00:27 CONSIDERING THE TIMES AND SEASONS OF OUR WORLD TODAY, HERE'S ZOLA LEVITT.
• 00:34 CONTINUING FROM LAST WEEK, WE'RE TALKING WITH ERGUN CANER.
• 00:38 HE'S THE BOTTOM LINE ON ISLAM, HE KNOWS IT ALL.
• 00:42 HE WAS A MUSLIM BEFORE HE CAME TO CHRIST AS HIS SAVIOR.
• 00:45 HE WAS A SUNNI MUSLIM.
• 00:48 HE WAS THE SON OF A MUEZZIN, THE GUY WHO YELLS FROM THE TOWER TO CALL THE PEOPLE TO PRAYER.
• 00:53 HE'S GOT A DOCTORATE IN MEDIEVAL HISTORY.
• 00:55 HE'S PROFESSOR OF THEOLOGY AND CHURCH HISTORY AT LIBERTY UNIVERSITY.
• 00:59 HIS PEDIGREE GOES ON AND ON.
• 01:02 HE'S WRITTEN EIGHT BOOKS, AMONG THEM "VOICES BEHIND THE VEIL".
• 01:07 IT SAYS MORE THAN HALF A BILLION LIVE THEIR LIVES, PEERING OUT FROM BEHIND VEILS.
• 01:13 THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD.
• 01:16 HE DEBATES WITH MUSLIMS.
• 01:18 HE'S BEEN ON THE BIG NETWORKS DOING THAT ON FOX, CNN, BBC.
• 01:21 WE TALKED LAST WEEK ABOUT ISLAM IN GENERAL, ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES WOMEN HAVE,
• 01:28 ABOUT THE HOLY WAR, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US AND THE TERRORISM
• 01:35 AND I THINK WE WERE TALKING AS WE WENT OFF LAST WEEK ABOUT YOUR NEW PROJECT YOU'RE WORKING ON;
• 01:41 A CHRISTIAN COMMENTARY ON THE QURAN.
• 01:45 IT'S THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY HAS EVER TRIED IT.
• 01:48 WHAT WE ARE DOING, MY BROTHER AND I, WHO IS ALSO A PROFESSOR AND AN AUTHOR,
• 01:53 IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME THAT FROM A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE,
• 01:57 SOMEONE HAS LOOKED AT EVERY VERSE OF THE QURAN.
• 01:59 THIS IS A MILLION WORD PROJECT AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG OLD ENCYCLOPEDIA STYLE.
• 02:03 I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST WEEK,
• 02:05 I WAS BRAGGING TO SOMEBODY, I'VE WRITTEN A STACK OF BOOKS, 40 OR 50 BOOKS,
• 02:10 BUT THEY DON'T EVEN TOTAL ONE MILLION WORDS.
• 02:12 OH, I'M SURE THEY DO.
• 02:14 WELL, THEY'RE SHORT BOOKS AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS ENCYCLOPEDIA.
• 02:17 114 CHAPTERS, THE QURAN IS 114 SURAHS, 6,000 VERSES
• 02:22 AND WE WANT TO GIVE, NOT ONLY A CHRISTIAN UNDERSTANDING,
• 02:25 BUT I WANT, IF A MUSLIM TO QUOTE SOMETHING FROM THE QURAN TO A CHRISTIAN,
• 02:29 I WANT TO GIVE A RESOURCE FOR THE CHRISTIAN TO BE ABLE TO SAY,
• 02:32 WAIT A MINUTE, THEY GO TO THAT VERSE, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE A BIBLE COMMENTARY
• 02:35 AND THEY CAN FIND OUT WHAT THE MUSLIM MEANS, THE BACKGROUND OF THAT VERSE,
• 02:39 MAYBE SOME OF THE ARABIC ABOUT THAT VERSE IF THEY ARE SO INCLINED,
• 02:42 BUT ALSO HOW THEY CAN GIVE A REASONED ANSWER TO IT.
• 02:46 WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SOMEWHERE AROUND A DECADE,
• 02:49 BUT IT'S BEEN CONTRACTED NOW AND WE'RE IN THE FINAL STRETCH GETTING THIS DONE.
• 02:55 THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY USEFUL.
• 02:58 I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, OUR AUDIENCE IS ALWAYS EXCITED TO HAVE YOU HERE.
• 03:02 I DON'T HARDLY KNOW WHAT TO ASK YOU FIRST.
• 03:04 ARE YOU AFRAID, IS YOUR LIFE, I MEAN,
• 03:08 SALMAN RUSHDIE IS RUNNING FROM THE MUSLIMS STILL, AFTER YEARS AND YEARS.
• 03:12 HIS ONE COMMENT IN A NOVEL, NOT A CHRISTIAN COMMENTARY.
• 03:17 HIS SATANIC VERSES WAS BASED ON TWO VERSES, BUT ONE SECTION OF THE QURAN, SURAH 53,
• 03:24 WHERE MOHAMMED QUESTIONED WHETHER HIS INSPIRATION WAS DEMONIC OR DIVINE.
• 03:28 I THINK THAT THE CAVEAT FOR ME AND FOR MY BROTHER IS THAT WHEN HE WROTE THAT,
• 03:33 THEY WERE ABLE TO ISSUE THE FATWAH, THE RULING AGAINST HIM, BECAUSE HE WAS STILL A MUSLIM.
• 03:39 I'VE BEEN A BELIEVER IN JESUS FOR 20 YEARS NOW.
• 03:43 I THINK AS FAR AS THE THREATS I FACE, I'M SORT OF LIKE YOU,
• 03:48 YOU FROM THE JEWISH BACKGROUND, ME FROM THE MUSLIM BACKGROUND.
• 03:50 THE JEWS DON'T LIKE YOU, THE MUSLIMS DON'T LIKE ME.
• 03:53 I'VE GOTTEN USED TO THE PROTESTORS.
• 03:55 WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
• 03:56 OF COURSE, CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
• 03:58 CONSIDER THE SOURCE, EXACTLY. I'M SORT OF THE SOCRATIC GADFLY ON THEIR TAIL-END.
• 04:03 I'VE GOTTEN USED TO THE PROTESTS.
• 04:07 THEY FOLLOW ME EVERYWHERE IN PLACES LIKE MISSOURI WHERE I DIDN'T EVEN THINK MUSLIMS LIVED.
• 04:10 WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT AFTER WHILE I THINK GOD STEELS UP YOUR SPINE.
• 04:16 OH YES, YOU MENTIONED MISSOURI, I DROVE THROUGH THAT WHOLE STATE,
• 04:19 I GUESS IT WAS ACTUALLY PITTSBURGH, KANSAS, JUST ACROSS THE BORDER
• 04:24 THAT WE SPOKE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS DOWN THERE
• 04:27 AND THERE WAS A MUSLIM PROFESSOR SITTING IN THE FRONT ROW
• 04:32 AND I WAS TOLD THIS MAN IS A MUSLIM, OLDER, GREY HAIRED, DISTINGUISHED LOOKING PROFESSOR.
• 04:37 I SPOKE ON ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO THE LAND
• 04:40 AMEN!
• 04:41 AND LAID OUT A CLEAR ARGUMENT, UNIVERSITY LEVEL TALK.
• 04:47 IT WAS A FAIRLY SIZABLE AUDIENCE.
• 04:50 EVERYTHING WENT ALONG, I MEAN, I HAD A FEW QUIBBLES FROM SOME MUSLIM STUDENTS
• 04:55 AND SOME QUESTIONS AND I WAS HANDLING IT AND SUDDENLY
• 04:58 THIS GUY BURSTS OUT AND SAYS, "YOU ARE THE TERRORIST".
• 05:02 WHY DO THEY ACT LIKE THAT?
• 05:05 IT'S NOT JUST ISLAMIC CULTURE, THOUGH IT CERTAINLY IS.
• 05:09 YOU'VE BEEN TO ISRAEL ALMOST 100 TIMES.
• 05:11 YOU KNOW HOW WE ARE WHEN WE DEBATE AND HOW WE STAND IN THE MARKET PLACE AND ARGUE AND YELL.
• 05:16 BUT I THINK IT IS ALSO OUR AMERICAN CULTURE AS WELL.
• 05:18 IT'S WHAT I CALL "THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SPRINGER",
• 05:21 WE LOVE THE CONFRONTATION NOW AND WHEN THEY COME FROM THE MOSQUE,
• 05:26 YOU MEAN, LIKE JERRY SPRINGER.
• 05:27 YES, JERRY SPRINGER.
• 05:28 WHEN THEY COME FROM THE MOSQUE OR THE CHURCH,
• 05:30 THEY HEAR THAT A FORMER MUSLIM IS SPEAKING, NOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME
• 05:33 AND THEY DON'T COME TO BE EDIFIED, THEY DON'T COME TO LISTEN,
• 05:36 THEY COME TO DEFEND THE HONOR OF ALLAH.
• 05:38 IN DEBATE, IF IT'S A UNIVERSITY SETTING AND THEY START SCREAMING AND YELLING,
• 05:42 I OFTEN USE AN OLD TURKISH PROVERB, I WILL SAY,
• 05:45 "WHAT YOU LACK IN KNOWLEDGE, YOU MAKE UP FOR IN VOLUME."
• 05:49 IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, SAY IT LOUDLY.
• 05:51 WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE PEOPLE.
• 05:54 YOUR PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE, MY PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE.
• 05:56 PASSIONATE SOMETIMES, YOU SAW WHEN THE FALL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN TOOK PLACE;
• 06:00 THEY WERE TAKING THEIR SHOES OFF AND BEATING THE PICTURES WITH THE BOTTOM OF THEIR SHOES
• 06:04 WHICH IS THE GREATEST OF INSULTS IN OUR CULTURE, THE LOWEST PART OF THE BODY.
• 06:09 THIS IS THE WAY, THIS IS OUR WAY.
• 06:12 I OFTEN JOKE WITH MY WIFE THAT SHE IS SOUTHERN,
• 06:15 MY WIFE IS A SOUTHERN AMERICAN, AND SO, WE YELL, I YELL,
• 06:19 5 MINUTES LATER I FORGET WHAT I WAS YELLING ABOUT.
• 06:21 SHE NEVER YELLS.
• 06:22 IN THE SOUTH, THEY NEVER YELL.
• 06:24 SHE NEVER FORGETS WHAT YOU'RE NOT YELLING ABOUT.
• 06:26 THEY CARRY A GRUDGE FOR 30 YEARS UNTIL YOU FIND A BODY IN A WELL SOMEWHERE.
• 06:31 IT'S NOT FORGOTTEN.
• 06:33 I THINK THEY YELL BECAUSE YOU GENUINELY HAVE--
• 06:38 TO SAY THAT ISRAEL IS THE LAND OF GOD
• 06:41 AND I BELIEVE THAT JERUSALEM IS THE INDIVISIBLE AND ETERNAL CITY OF GOD,
• 06:45 BUT TO SAY THAT, IS TO ATTACK ISLAM ITSELF.
• 06:48 REMEMBER, ALL OF ISLAM IS BUILT UPON LAND DOMINATION.
• 06:52 BUT, ALL THEY DID WAS COME OVER THE BORDERS FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE.
• 06:55 THEY'RE VIRTUALLY ILLEGAL ALIENS.
• 06:57 THEY DIDN'T COME OUT OF ANCIENT DAYS IN ISRAEL, THEY CAME THERE.
• 07:02 ONE OF OUR CELEBRATIONS, ONE OF OUR EIDS, E-I-D IS A CELEBRATION,
• 07:06 IS IBRAHIM GOING TO THE TOP OF MT. MORIAH, SACRIFICE HIS SON,
• 07:10 LAST MINUTE ALLAH PROVIDES A RAM IN THE THICKET AND SAVES THE LIFE OF ISHMAEL.
• 07:17 WHY? I COME TO GENESIS 21-22; I SEE THAT IT'S ISAAC, OF COURSE.
• 07:22 2200 YEARS AFTER MOSES WROTE IT DOWN, 2700 YEARS AFTER IT HAPPENED, THEY CHANGE THE STORY.
• 07:28 HOW WAS MOHAMMED ABLE TO DO THIS?
• 07:30 BECAUSE, IF WE ARE, TO SAY THAT MUSLIMS ARE ALL CHILDREN OF ISHMAEL IS SILLY, OF COURSE,
• 07:35 GENETICALLY, BIOLOGICALLY AS WELL AS SPIRITUALLY.
• 07:39 BUT, IF THEY CAN SAY THEY'RE SONS OF THE OLDER CHILD, GENESIS 16,
• 07:43 THEN THEY DESERVE 2/3 OF THE LAND.
• 07:46 SO WHAT'S THEIR STORY FOR THE OTHER LANDS?
• 07:48 WHAT'S THEIR STORY FOR TAKING OVER FRANCE, ENGLAND?
• 07:51 OF COURSE.
• 07:52 ESCHATOLOGICALLY, PROPHETICALLY IN ISLAM, EVERYTHING IS BASED ON WORLD DOMINATION.
• 07:56 MUSLIMS CANNOT HELP, EVERY BOOK THAT YOU READ, YOU REALLY SEE A DICHOTOMY NOW.
• 08:01 WHAT WE SEE, WHAT YOU DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS,
• 08:04 A DICHOTOMY BETWEEN A FIGHT BETWEEN AMERICAN ISLAM,
• 08:07 WHICH HAS TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND ORTHODOX ISLAM.
• 08:11 WHEN A MUSLIM COMES ON TELEVISION AND SAYS, AND I'M TALKING TO THEM,
• 08:15 THEY WILL SAY "AH, THE BOMBING OF 9-11 WAS A HORRIBLE ACT"
• 08:18 I WILL SAY, "YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION?
• 08:22 WHERE IS MOHAMMED ATTAH, NOW?" THE LEAD BOMBER.
• 08:26 AND THEY WILL SAY, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"
• 08:28 I WILL SAY, "IS HE IN HEAVEN OR HELL?"
• 08:30 THIS IS THE CUSP OF A PROBLEM FOR THEM.
• 08:33 IF THEY SAY HE'S IN HELL, MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE,
• 08:35 WHAT ARE YOU SAYING; WE KNOW HE WAS A JIHADIN.
• 08:38 TO SAY HE'S IN HEAVEN, OF COURSE DRAWS THE IRE AND WRATH OF AMERICANS.
• 08:42 AMERICAN ISLAM IS A NEW CREATURE, A NEW CREATION.
• 08:47 THEY'RE HAVING TO REBUILD, REFORM, REDEFINE EVERYTHING THAT THEY BELIEVE IN
• 08:52 BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO FIT INTO AMERICAN CULTURE.
• 08:55 IT'S SUCH AN INTERESTING SUBJECT.
• 08:59 LET'S TALK ABOUT ISRAEL; BECAUSE WE GO THERE, WE'RE DEDICATED TO IT.
• 09:06 WHAT'S THE GREATEST THREAT TO ISRAEL FROM ISLAM?
• 09:09 FROM ISLAM, OBVIOUSLY, HAMAS, THE JUSTIFICATION THAT THE LAND HAS TO BE MUSLIM,
• 09:15 THIS IS THE PART THAT REALLY ANNOYS ME
• 09:18 AND I'M SURE YOUR LISTENERS SEE IT AS WELL AND I KNOW YOU DO.
• 09:20 EVERY TIME SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, IN THE LAND OF PALESTINE, TO TAKE ISRAEL OUT OF THE LAND,
• 09:27 WHICH WAS PROPHETIC, 1948 WAS PROPHETIC,
• 09:32 TO TAKE ISRAEL OUT OF THE LAND, TO REMOVE ISRAEL AS THE PROTECTED CHILDREN OF GOD,
• 09:38 WE'VE COME TOO FAR TO ALLOW THIS TO TAKE PLACE, POLITICALLY
• 09:42 AND I'M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT DEFENDS ISRAEL, NOW AS WE SPEAK.
• 09:46 I WOULD SUBMIT, HOWEVER, THERE IS A GREATER THREAT THAN EVEN ISLAM TO ISRAEL.
• 09:50 IT'S THE, WHAT I CALL THE THEOLOGICAL HOLOCAUST AND THAT IS;
• 09:55 AMERICA HAS ALWAYS DEFENDED ISRAEL BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY HAS DEFENDED ISRAEL.
• 09:59 TO GET CHRISTIANITY TO STOP DEFENDING ISRAEL, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE ISRAEL FROM THE BIBLE
• 10:03 OR REMOVE ISRAEL AS THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
• 10:05 HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
• 10:07 BY DEFINING AND DISCOVERING AND BUILDING A CHRISTIANITY THAT DOESN'T NEED ISRAEL.
• 10:13 IT'S WHAT WE CALL REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
• 10:15 I CAME FROM ISLAM WHERE WE WERE TAUGHT THAT YOU JEWS HATED US
• 10:19 AND WE WERE TO HATE YOU BACK WITH, EXUDING FROM OUR PORES, A HATRED FOR THE JEWS.
• 10:24 AND I HAD THIS; I WON'T HESITATE TO SAY THAT, THAT WE HATED THE JEW.
• 10:31 I WAS TAUGHT THAT YOU DRANK OUR BLOOD.
• 10:33 I WAS TAUGHT THAT YOU STOLE OUR LAND, THAT THE PALESTINIANS,
• 10:36 THERE IS NO PALESTINE, IT WAS JORDAN BEFORE THAT,
• 10:38 EGYPT BEFORE THAT, BUT I WAS TAUGHT THIS.
• 10:41 THEN I GET SAVED, I BECOME A BELIEVER IN JESUS
• 10:44 AND I'M READING THROUGH THE NEW TESTAMENT AND ROMANS 9-10-11,
• 10:50 PAUL MAKES A POINT NOT ONCE, HE MAKES A POINT 3 TIMES, HE BUILT THE ENTIRE CENTER OF THE BOOK
• 10:53 AROUND THE FACT THAT THESE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD,
• 10:56 THAT HE CAME TO THE JEW FIRST AND THEY REJECTED HIM,
• 10:58 BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE REJECTS THEM.
• 11:01 THEY ARE STILL THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
• 11:03 GOD HAD TO DO A TRANSFORMING WORK IN MY HEART
• 11:05 TO GET ME TO LOVE THOSE THAT BROUGHT US THE MESSIAH,
• 11:09 THE CHILDREN OF GOD WHO ARE THE PRIEST NATION,
• 11:11 I WOULDN'T BE A CHRISTIAN WERE IT NOT FOR THE JEWS WHO CARRIED ON THE VOICE OF GOD,
• 11:16 WHO FOLLOWED THE TABERNACLE, THE FIRE BY NIGHT AND THE CLOUD BY DAY, THAT CAME TO THE TEMPLE.
• 11:22 I AM WHO I AM, EVEN THOUGH I WAS A MUSLIM, BECAUSE OF THE JEW.
• 11:27 SO, I FIND MYSELF NOW, DEFENDING THE JEW.
• 11:29 I FIND MYSELF SERVING ON THE THESE BOARDS AND BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS WITH YOU
• 11:34 AND WRITE THIS THING ABOUT THE THEOLOGICAL HOLOCAUST, BECAUSE,
• 11:37 I HONESTLY THINK IT'S LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY THAT'S TEARING A HOLE IN THE GREATEST TAPESTRY,
• 11:44 JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN RELATIONS.
• 11:47 WE HAVE IN THIS MINISTRY, WE HAVE A MINISTRY OF GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE
• 11:52 THAT ARE SLIPPING INTO THESE ERRORS, INCLUDING MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, DALLAS SEMINARY,
• 11:57 SOME OF THE BIGGEST NAMES, TALBOT SEMINARY, MACARTHUR STUDY BIBLE WRITTEN IN 1996,
• 12:04 PALESTINE, PALESTINE, 100 TIMES, JESUS, A PALESTINIAN DISCIPLES, ETC.
• 12:08 MINDLESS AND IT'S LIKE SCREAMING AT ANIMALS.
• 12:14 THEY IGNORE THE LOGIC, THEY START UP A FIGHT.
• 12:20 I'M GOING TO A BREAK RIGHT NOW; ANYWAY, THIS BREAK IS GOING TO BE A TRIP TO ISRAEL
• 12:25 WHICH IS REAL APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.
• 12:28 OUR BOOK "BATTLES WITH SEMINARIES"
• 12:31 TELLS THE STORY OF THIS LONG DISCOURAGING FIGHT
• 12:34 TO JUST TELL PEOPLE THERE'S A BIBLE WRITTEN AND PUBLISHED IN ISRAEL BY JEWS,
• 12:39 THE COUNTRY IS TOLD ABOUT ON EVERY PAGE, SIMPLY BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS.
• 12:43 YOU CAN'T GET THIS ACROSS ANYMORE EVEN TO AN EVANGELICAL SEMINARY.
• 12:47 YOURS, LIBERTY UNIVERSITY IS QUITE DIFFERENT, I KNOW,
• 12:51 BUT I'M HAVING REAL TROUBLE WITH THE SO-CALLED FAMOUS SEMINARIES.
• 12:54 HE'S ERGUN CANER, NEVER MIND MY BATTLE, HE'S GOT PLENTY OF HIS OWN.
• 12:58 WE'LL BE BACK TO DISCUSS THEM RIGHT AFTER THIS.
• 13:15 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YOU ARE LOVELY ISRAEL
• 13:19 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MY LOVE
• 13:32 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YES, I'VE LOVED YOU ISRAEL
• 13:36 (SPEAKING HEBREW) AS HE LOVES YOU FROM ABOVE.
• 13:45 THE LAND OF ISRAEL, ISRAEL MY LOVE IS LIKE NO OTHER LAND IN THE WORLD.
• 13:49 WE'RE BOUND FOR THE PROMISED LAND, WE'RE GOING BACK TO ISRAEL
• 13:53 AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE JOINED US ON PAST TOURS SAY
• 13:56 IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THEY WILL TREASURE FOR THE REST OF THEIR DAYS.
• 14:01 I THINK EVERY CHRISTIAN NEEDS TO COME HERE AND SENSE THE SAME THINGS ALL HAVE FELT
• 14:07 GOING BEFORE US BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IT SAID THAT YOUR WHOLE LIFE WILL BE CHANGED
• 14:11 IF YOU COME TO THE HOLY LAND AND YOU CAN RELATE MORE TO WHERE JESUS WAS IN THE TEMPLE
• 14:15 AND ALL THE GREAT AND MIGHTY THINGS THAT HE DID
• 14:17 AND I CAN NOW JOIN THEM IN SAYING EVERYONE NEEDS TO COME TO THE HOLY LAND.
• 14:22 IT IS ONE THING TO READ THE WORDS AND THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT HERE
• 14:27 AND SEE WHERE JESUS WALKED ACROSS THIS LAND
• 14:30 AND IT BRINGS IT ALL TO A SENSE THAT IT REALLY HAPPENED.
• 14:36 THIS IS MY SECOND TOUR WITH ZOLA, THE FIRST ONE WAS IN JUNE OF 1984
• 14:41 AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL TOUR, IT WAS SO LOVELY AND I LOVE ISRAEL SO MUCH
• 14:45 AND I HAD TO COME BACK AND SEE IT AGAIN AND LIVE IT AGAIN.
• 14:50 COME WITH US TO ISRAEL AND WALK WHERE JESUS WALKED.
• 14:53 LET US BREAK BREAD TOGETHER IN JERUSALEM.
• 14:56 I'VE TRAVELED THROUGH ISRAEL DOZENS OF TIMES, BELIEVE ME,
• 15:01 IT'S THE MOST EXCITING AND SPIRITUALLY SATISFYING JOURNEY YOU CAN UNDERTAKE IN THIS LIFE.
• 15:08 THERE'S OUR TRIP TO ISRAEL AND THAT'S THE WAY WE SEE IT
• 15:11 AND WE'RE STILL GOING, OF COURSE, WE'VE NEVER CANCELED A TOUR.
• 15:13 THERE'S NO REASON TO.
• 15:16 PEOPLE SAY, "YOU'D TAKE YOUR WIFE TO JERUSALEM"?
• 15:18 I SAY, "I'M GIVING HER A BREAK FROM DALLAS".
• 15:20 IT'S SO TRUE, PEOPLE JUST WON'T REALIZE IT BUT
• 15:25 I READ TODAY AND I'M GOING TO QUOTE THAT IN THE LEVITT LETTER,
• 15:29 SOMEBODY SAID, IT WAS SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN, SENATOR MCCAIN SAID,
• 15:33 YOUR CHANCE OF BEING HURT IN A TERRORIST INCIDENT
• 15:35 IS LIKE BEING CARRIED OFF TO SEA BY A TIDAL WAVE.
• 15:39 IT WAS THAT NARROW ODDS.
• 15:42 WE JUST SAW THE TRIAL OF THIS SNIPER IN WASHINGTON WHO SHOT DOWN SO MANY PEOPLE,
• 15:46 JERUSALEM HAS NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
• 15:50 WHEN WE TRAVEL, WE SEE THESE VEILED WOMEN,
• 15:53 LIKE ON THIS BOOK COVER, "VOICES BEHIND THE VEIL",
• 15:56 AND I CONFESS, I WONDER WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
• 15:58 YOU WONDER WHAT WOMEN ARE THINKING ANYWAY, BUT,
• 16:01 WHEN THEY HAVE A VEIL ON, IT MAKES IT HARD TO TELL.
• 16:03 YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IN ISLAMIC CULTURE,
• 16:07 AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN WHICH IS THE BEST VEILING, THE CHADOR, WHICH JUST COVERS TO THE FACE,
• 16:12 YOU HAVE THE NIQAB, WHICH COVERS ONE EYE,
• 16:14 THE BURQA WHICH WE KNOW, THEY SAY BURKA IN ENGLISH,
• 16:17 BUT IT'S THE COVERING OF THE WHOLE BODY.
• 16:19 DEPENDING ON THE SECT OF ISLAM, WAHABI, SHIITE, OR SUNNI,
• 16:22 THEY WILL SAY THAT OURS IS THE BEST COVERING BECAUSE
• 16:25 IT COVERS THE LEAST OR IT'S THE LEAST FORM-FITTING.
• 16:28 THE RULE OF THE QURAN WAS THAT IT CANNOT SHOW THE FORM.
• 16:31 WHAT HAS DEVELOPED IS, THEY CANNOT SHOW THE FORM OUTSIDE,
• 16:34 WHAT'S DEVELOPED IS ALMOST THIS FASHION SENSE.
• 16:36 YOU HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS, DIFFERENT COLORED HEADDRESSES, THE GAFIAH FOR THE MEN.
• 16:40 IT'S INTERESTING, IT'S ALMOST THE SAME ARGUMENTS WE HAVE IN AMERICAN CULTURE,
• 16:44 BUT WITH AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SLATE OF CLOTHING.
• 16:47 AND 50% OF THE SOCIETY IS KEPT UNDER WRAPS, SO TO SPEAK.
• 16:51 YES, AND KEPT WITHOUT A VOTE, KEPT WITHOUT EDUCATION IN MANY CULTURES.
• 16:55 ISLAM IS REALLY AT THE CUSP OF A REFORMATION.
• 16:59 EITHER THEY ARE GOING TO ACCEPT AND ADAPT AND ALLOW WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED,
• 17:03 KARZAI JUST SAID IN AFGHANISTAN, WELL OKAY, I GUESS WOMEN CAN BE EDUCATED.
• 17:08 IF THEY ALLOW THE WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED, WHICH TO US IS SECOND NATURE,
• 17:13 IF THEY ALLOW WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED; I THINK IT WILL FORCE ISLAM INTO THE NEW CENTURIES.
• 17:18 IF HOWEVER, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE BY SHARI'A LAW,
• 17:21 IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE BY THE LAWS WHICH
• 17:23 SAY WHETHER THE HUSBAND HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL HIS WIFE WHETHER SHE CAN BE EDUCATED OR NOT.
• 17:28 I THINK ISLAM WILL REMAIN IN WHAT THEY TAKE VERY PROUDLY AS, A POSITION OF STAID GROWTH.
• 17:36 THAT IS, THEY TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT AS IT WAS WITH MOHAMMED, IT IS WITH US.
• 17:43 THIS SHARI'A LAW TROUBLES ME.
• 17:47 THIS IS THE ANCIENT LAW OF ISLAM.
• 17:50 IT 'S LIKE AN OLD TESTAMENT WITHOUT A NEW.
• 17:53 THERE'S NO GRACE HERE AND IT'S AWFULLY HARSH.
• 17:56 I REMEMBER THE STORY OF WHEN WE CAME OUT OF SOMALIA, WHICH WAS A MUSLIM SOCIETY
• 18:02 AND WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN INVADING THERE AND WHEN WE LEFT,
• 18:06 THEY INSTALLED THIS SHARI'A LAW AND ONE THING THEY DID, I DON'T WANT TO SICKEN ANYBODY,
• 18:11 BUT THEY TOOK 13 THIEVES INTO A STADIUM AND SLOWLY SAWED OFF THEIR HANDS AND THEIR FEET,
• 18:19 13 PEOPLE SCREAMING, WITH A CROWD.
• 18:22 THAT'S BARBARISM, LIKE PREHISTORIC.
• 18:28 IT'S WHAT MOHAMMED TAUGHT.
• 18:30 I EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THAT WHEN YOU SPEAK OF SHARI'A LAW, HERE'S HOW IT OPERATES;
• 18:34 ANY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET THAT CALL ITSELF AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC,
• 18:35 YOU KNOW, THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF---
• 18:40 OPERATES TO WHATEVER DEGREE, ACCORDING TO SHARI'A LAW.
• 18:44 SHARI'A LAW IS BASED ON THE HADITH.
• 18:46 HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE.
• 18:47 THE QURAN SUPPOSEDLY, ALLEGEDLY, ARE THE WORDS OF ALLAH.
• 18:53 THE HADITH ARE THE WORDS AND SAYINGS AND PROTOCOL OF MOHAMMED HIMSELF.
• 18:59 THEY WERE THE LAWS THAT MOHAMMED PASSED, THEY WERE THE SAYINGS THAT MOHAMMED CARRIED OUT
• 19:04 AND SO THE HADITH IS A MULTI-VOLUME BOOK.
• 19:07 IT'S NINE VOLUMES, AL-BUKHARI HADITH, IT'S VERY BIG
• 19:10 AND THEY TAKE THESE HADITH, THESE LAWS AND TO WHATEVER DEGREE THEY ENACT THEM
• 19:15 AND I WILL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.
• 19:17 IN AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC, IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM,
• 19:29 BOY IF YOU SAID THAT HERE, YOU'D SURE HAVE A--
• 19:31 YOU KNOW, WHAT I FIND INTERESTING IS DURING AFGHANISTAN,
• 19:34 WHEN WE WERE FREEING UP THE COUNTY AND ALLOWING WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED,
• 19:37 WHERE WERE THE FEMINISTS SAYING THANK GOD FOR WHAT OUR PRESIDENT,
• 19:40 WHAT OUR ADMINISTRATION IS DOING?
• 19:41 YES, WHERE WERE THEY?
• 19:43 WE WERE ALLOWING, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, FOUR GENERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN,
• 19:46 WOMEN ARE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO READ AND WRITE AND TO SPEAK AND TO VOTE,
• 19:50 BUT THEY WOULD RATHER SHAKE HANDS WITH THE DEVIL
• 19:52 THAN TO SHAKE HANDS WITH THIS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION.
• 19:55 BACK TO THE POINT, THE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT, THIS IS JUDICIAL,
• 19:59 IN 2004 IT TAKES THE TESTIMONY OF 2 WOMEN TO EQUAL THAT OF ONE MAN IN ISLAM.
• 20:07 IT'S STILL IN THE COURTS.
• 20:09 WELL, THESE LAWS ARE ARCHAIC, OBVIOUSLY.
• 20:12 SURELY THINKING PEOPLE, MUSLIMS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH AMERICAN OR BRITISH
• 20:17 OR FRENCH UNIVERSITIES CAN SEE THIS IS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.
• 20:21 AND THEY HAVE AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS.
• 20:24 THE WOMAN WHO WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE MOST RECENTLY WAS AN IRANIAN WOMAN
• 20:28 WHO SPENDS HER LIFE WORKING WITH WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN IRAN.
• 20:32 BUT, WHAT'S INTERESTING AND PERHAPS SADLY IRONIC,
• 20:36 IS THAT THE VERY THING THAT EARNED HER THE PEACE PRIZE NOMINATION
• 20:39 IS THE VERY THING THAT CAUSED HER TO BE HELD IN SCORN IN IRAN.
• 20:44 SHE HAD TROUBLE GETTING BACK INTO HER OWN COUNTRY BECAUSE THE VERY THING,
• 20:47 DEFENDING THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN
• 20:49 IS NOT LOOKED UPON THE SAME WAY AS IN THE WORLD COMMUNITY AS IT WAS IN IRAN.
• 20:54 IN IRAN THEY ARE SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
• 20:56 EVERY TIME A MODERATE VOICE FOR ISLAM RISES UP, EVEN WHAT WE WOULD CALL LESS RADICAL
• 21:02 BUT NOT QUITE MODERATE, EVERY TIME A MODERATE VOICE RISES UP,
• 21:05 THEY BECOME IN DANGER OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
• 21:09 LET ME ILLUSTRATE.
• 21:12 I MADE A MENTION OF ANWAR SADAT.
• 21:15 I SAID SADAT WAS NOT KILLED BY JEWS OR CHRISTIANS,
• 21:18 HE WAS KILLED BY OTHER MUSLIMS AND MUSLIMS WERE DEBATING WITH ME AND A WOMAN ROSE UP,
• 21:22 A PALESTINIAN WOMAN ROSE UP AND SHE SAID,
• 21:23 "THAT'S BECAUSE SADAT WAS A TRAITOR, HE WAS NOT A MUSLIM."
• 21:27 AND I SAID, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HE SIGNED A PEACE TREATY?"
• 21:29 SHE SAID, "WE CANNOT HAVE PEACE WITH THE JEW; WE MUST PUSH THEM INTO THE MEDITERRANEAN".
• 21:33 THE EXACT SAME QUOTE THAT WE HEAR EVERY FEW WEEKS FROM ARAFAT.
• 21:39 NASSER SAID THAT.
• 21:41 WE MUST PUSH THE JEW INTO THE MEDITERRANEAN.
• 21:43 SO, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF MODERATE ISLAM DOES RISE TO THE FOREFRONT,
• 21:47 IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO SO AGAINST THE PROTESTATIONS OF ORTHODOX ISLAM,
• 21:53 BECAUSE ORTHODOX ISLAM WILL NOT ABIDE COHABITATION WITH ANY OTHER SYSTEM.
• 21:58 BUT THIS AVERSION TO THE JEWS GO TO THE CHRISTIANS, TOO.
• 22:01 SADLY, SADLY.
• 22:03 I WOULD SAY, DR. LEVITT, THAT THE BIGGEST FRUSTRATION THAT I FACED IN THE LAST 3 YEARS,
• 22:08 50 DEBATES, 48 DIFFERENT UNIVERSITIES,
• 22:12 THE BIGGEST HEADACHE I RECEIVED IS NOT FROM THE LIBERAL MEDIA,
• 22:16 I EXPECT IT FROM THEM AND IT HASN'T BEEN FROM THE MUSLIM, AGAIN I EXPECT IT FROM THEM.
• 22:20 IT'S FROM THE GUYS THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE,
• 22:24 THEY SIT QUIETLY UNTIL I COME TO A DEFENSE OF ISRAEL.
• 22:28 THIS IS WHY I--, THEY STAND UP AND THEY JUST BECOME VISIBLY UPSET AND ENRAGED BY THIS.
• 22:34 THIS IS WHY I THINK WHAT YOU DO IS SO IMPORTANT.
• 22:37 THIS IS WHY WHEN I SPEAK SOMEWHERE, I SAY GO TO LEVITT.COM,
• 22:41 BE INVOLVED IN THESE WORKS BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE UNIFYING VOICE
• 22:47 FOR MUSLIM AND LIBERAL CHRISTIAN ALIKE.
• 22:50 THEY ALL WANT TO GET RID OF ISRAEL.
• 22:52 REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
• 22:55 YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE SO ELOQUENTLY, THE IDEA THAT THE CHURCH HAS REPLACED ISRAEL
• 23:01 AND IT'S ALMOST IN PRACTICE IN AMERICAN SEMINARIES.
• 23:04 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE HEARD,
• 23:06 GOD IS WORKING THROUGH CHRISTIANS OF AMERICA THESE DAYS.
• 23:09 HE'S CHANGED HIS FOCUS.
• 23:12 ALMOST.
• 23:14 IT'S ALMOST AS IF WHEN THEY READ THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES; THEY WANT TO COUGH AT CERTAIN POINTS.
• 23:18 THEY WILL SAY, I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
• 23:21 FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO THE SALVATION (TO THE JEW FIRST).
• 23:24 THEY OMIT THAT.
• 23:27 THEY DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT THAT THE 39 BOOKS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT,
• 23:32 THE LAW OF THE PROPHETS AND THE WRITINGS, THE TANAK,
• 23:35 ARE THE SEED FROM WHICH THE NEW TESTAMENT COMES.
• 23:39 AND THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT, TOO IS WRITTEN BY JEWS.
• 23:42 EXACTLY AND THIS WHOLE FIGHT OVER THE PASSION MOVIE RECENTLY
• 23:45 THAT THE OUTRAGE BY HOLLYWOOD THAT IT WAS TOO VIOLENT.
• 23:50 I WANT SOMEBODY TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
• 23:52 HOLLYWOOD BELIEVED THAT A MOVIE WAS TOO VIOLENT.
• 23:57 THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT IT WAS ANTI-SEMITIC.
• 24:00 HOW CAN YOU BE ANTI-SEMITIC IF IN FACT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT ARE SEMITES THEMSELVES?
• 24:07 IN OTHER WORDS, I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I AM PART OF THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT.
• 24:12 I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT MY SAVIOR WAS JEWISH.
• 24:16 NOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD THAT IS FOR ME AS A MUSLIM, AS A FORMER MUSLIM.
• 24:19 DO YOU KNOW HOW WEIRD THAT IS FOR ME, AS A TURK,
• 24:21 HOW IT GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN OF THE ENTIRE HERITAGE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS
• 24:25 WHERE WE'VE BEEN ENGRAINED WITH HATRED FOR THE JEW AND NOW I HAVE THE PRIDE,
• 24:29 I HAVE THE JOY OF SAYING, YESHUA, MESSIAH, JESUS IS MESSIAH.
• 24:34 I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THESE ANGLO-SAXON, PROTESTANT, WHITE BOYS
• 24:40 NOW WANT TO REMOVE THAT WHICH IS SO CENTRAL AND SO FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR FAITH.
• 24:46 I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD DO THIS.
• 24:49 YOU ARE PRECIOUS, I TELL YOU WHAT. A FASCINATING GUEST.
• 24:52 WE HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES,
• 24:54 TELL ME ABOUT BIN LADEN, HE'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. WHAT'S GOIING ON?
• 24:57 HE IS.
• 24:59 I'VE BEEN ASKED A NUMBER OF TIMES; PROBABLY THE MOST ASKED QUESTION IS,"IS HE ALIVE"?
• 25:02 AND THE ANSWER IS THEOLOGICALLY, HE HAS TO BE.
• 25:05 LET ME VERY QUICKLY STATE THAT IN ISLAM IF A MAN IS A MARTYR,
• 25:09 HE MUST BE DECLARED A MARTYR. HE MUST BE HELD UP IN HONOR.
• 25:13 AND BECAUSE THIS HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE, IF ONE MUSLIM SAW HIM DIE
• 25:17 THAT MUSLIM MUST HOLD HIM UP IN HONOR.
• 25:20 HE MUST TRUMPET THAT HE HAS DIES AS A MARTYR TO ALLOW HIM TO GO TO PARADISE.
• 25:23 SURE, SURE.
• 25:24 SO, NO MUSLIM HAS SEEN HIM DIE AND IF A CHRISTIAN OR AN AMERICAN HAD SEEN HIM DIE,
• 25:29 IF WE DO NOT SPEAK THIS, HE SIGNED THE FATWAH FEB., 23, 1998.
• 25:34 AS LONG AS HE IS ALIVE, THAT FATWAH IS IN EFFECT AND SO WE MUST FIND HIM.
• 25:41 I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US.
• 25:43 PEOPLE ASK WHY HAS BIN LADEN NOT BEEN TURNED OVER.
• 25:45 HOW MUCH MONEY, 25 MILLION HAS BEEN OFFERED FOR TURNING--
• 25:49 BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, FOR A MUSLIM TO TURN OVER BIN LADEN,
• 25:51 WOULD BE TO DAMN THEMSELVES TO HELL FOR VIOLATION OF HADITH 9:50
• 26:00 THEY WOULD HOLD HIM UP IN GREAT HONOR FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE,
• 26:04 BUT IF THEY TURNED HIM OVER, THEY DAMN THEMSELVES TO HELL,
• 26:08 SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU OFFER.
• 26:10 EVEN AT THAT PRICE.
• 26:12 HE'S ERGUN CANER. HE'S A DEAR FRIEND.
• 26:15 EACH TIME HE COMES, I LEARN A LOT.
• 26:17 I THINK YOU HAVE, TOO.
• 26:19 HE'S THE SON OF A MUEZZIN.
• 26:21 LISTEN, JESUS REACHES TO WHOM EVER HE WILL
• 26:24 AND CALLS JEWS AND CALLS MUSLIMS AND HERE'S YOUR PROOF.
• 26:28 HE DOESN'T JUST CALL, AS DR. CANER ELOQUENTLY SAID, WHITE, ANGLO-SAXON, WHITE BOYS.
• 26:38 I LIKE THAT EXPRESSION.
• 26:40 I THINK YOU KNOW WHO HE MEANS.
• 26:42 THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM EITHER AND JESUS CALLS THEM, TOO,
• 26:46 BUT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY,
• 26:49 SOMETHING WRONG WITH ISLAM, SOMETHING WRONG WITH BIN LADEN.
• 26:53 THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WRONG IN THIS WORLD AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AT THE TRUTH.
• 26:58 STAY TUNED, PRAY FOR ERGUN CANER AS HE GOES ON THESE DIFFICULT DEBATES AND
• 27:05 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.