Caption transcript for “Behind the Veil” with Ergun Caner, Part 1

• 00:08 BRETHREN, MY HEART'S DESIRE AND PRAYER TO GOD FOR ISRAEL IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
• 00:14 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GENTILE.
• 00:17 FOR THE SAME LORD OVERALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM.
• 00:27 CONSIDERING THE TIMES AND SEASONS OF OUR WORLD TODAY, HERE'S ZOLA LEVITT.
• 00:34 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:36 YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS PROGRAM.
• 00:37 IT'S ONE OF MOST POPULAR GUESTS.
• 00:39 HE'S BEEN WITH A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE, ERGUN CANER
• 00:42 DR. ERGUN CANER IS A CONVERTED MUSLIM.
• 00:47 HE'S A BELIEVER IN THE LORD NOW AND HE WAS A MUSLIM
• 00:51 AND NOT JUST AN ORDINARY MUSLIM, HE WAS A SUNNI MUSLIM
• 00:54 AND HE WAS THE SON OF A MUEZZIN, THE GUY THAT YELLS FROM THE TOWER AND CALLS PEOPLE TO PRAYER
• 00:59 AND IS AN IMPORTANT OFFICER IN ISLAM.
• 01:02 ERGUN HOLDS HIS DOCTORATE IN MEDIEVAL HISTORY
• 01:06 AND HE'S A FULL PROFESSOR OF THEOLOGY AND CHURCH HISTORY AT LIBERTY UNIVERSITY.
• 01:12 HE'S WRITTEN 8 BOOKS.
• 01:14 LISTEN, IF I DID YOUR WHOLE BACKGROUND, WE DO THE WHOLE PROGRAM.
• 01:16 HE'S A VERY ACCOMPLISHED MAN.
• 01:18 HE WROTE THE BOOK "UNVEILING ISLAM"
• 01:20 WHICH REALLY WAS INFORMATIVE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE READ IT.
• 01:24 HE DEBATES MUSLIMS.
• 01:25 HE'S DONE IT ON FOX AND CNN AND THE BBC AND SO ON.
• 01:30 HE'S GOT A NEW BOOK, "VOICES BEHIND THE VEIL".
• 01:34 ERGUN, IT SAYS ON THIS BACK COVER, IT'S VERY TEMPTING,
• 01:49 YES SIR.
• 01:50 THIS WAS THE WORLD OF MY MOTHER, THE WORLD OF MY GRANDMOTHER.
• 01:54 TO THE BEST OF OUR COUNTING, 21 GENERATIONS OF MY FAMILY AS TURKISH MUSLIMS.
• 01:59 SO, PUTTING THIS TOGETHER WAS MORE OF A LABOR OF LOVE
• 02:03 THAN AN ACADEMIC THING THAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.
• 02:08 AREN'T THEY LOSING THE TALENT AND INDUSTRY OF 50% OF THEIR SOCIETY?
• 02:13 THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
• 02:15 I OFTEN GET ASKED THE QUESTION, DON'T THE WOMEN IN YOUR FAMILY FEEL THAT THEY ARE OPPRESSED?
• 02:19 BUT, WE DIDN'T THINK WE WERE OPPRESSED.
• 02:21 THIS WAS THE WAY WE WERE LIVING, THIS WAS OUR LIVES.
• 02:23 THIS IS SOMEWHAT AKIN TO, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY.
• 02:27 WHEN WE CAME TO AMERICA, WHEN WE SETTLED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES,
• 02:30 WHAT WE SAW AS THE AMERICAN CULTURE, WAS AMERICAN DECADENCE
• 02:34 AND IF IT WAS AMERICAN DECADENCE, IT OBVIOUSLY WAS CHRISTIAN DECADENCE
• 02:38 BECAUSE IN OUR WORLD, WE EQUATE CHURCH AND STATE, MOSQUE AND STATE.
• 02:43 SO WHEN WE SAW SOMETHING ON TELEVISION
• 02:45 THAT WAS SOMEBODY SHOWING MORE SKIN THAN THEY SHOULD, THIS WAS CHRISTIANITY DOING THIS.
• 02:50 SO IN OUR WORLD, IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD,
• 02:53 THEY BELIEVE THAT SHROUDING THE WOMAN IN THE NIQAB, HADOR, BURQAH
• 02:58 THOSE ARE HUGE ROBES THAT COVER THEM FROM HEAD TO TOE.
• 03:02 VARYING COVER.
• 03:03 THE NIQAB COVERS ONE EYE.
• 03:05 THE HADOR LEAVES THE FACE OPEN WHICH YOU SEE IN ISRAEL ALL THE TIME,
• 03:09 AND THE BURQAH COVER EVERYTHING INCLUDING GLOVES ON THE HANDS.
• 03:13 IT'S THE WALKING SLEEPING BAG.
• 03:14 YES, SHE CAN SEE OUT, BUT YOU CANNOT SEE IN THROUGH THE MESH.
• 03:17 THEY BELIEVE THAT BY SHROUDING THE WOMAN,
• 03:20 THEY ARE PROTECTING HER PURITY AND THUS THE WOMAN IN ISLAM IS MORE PURE THAN THE SECULAR WOMAN
• 03:27 OR THE WOMAN IN CHRISTIANITY OR JUDAISM.
• 03:30 ERGUN, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT WOMEN,
• 03:32 BUT I THINK DIDN'T MAKE ANY WOMAN THAT WANT TO BE COVERED HEAD TO TOE.
• 03:36 THEY CAN'T BE HAPPY THERE.
• 03:38 REMEMBER, MOHAMMED WAS AN ORPHAN AND RAISED BY MEN, GRANDFATHER AND UNCLE.
• 03:43 THE ONLY WOMAN, I BELIEVE, MOHAMMED DEEPLY, TRULY LOVED
• 03:47 WAS THE FIRST WOMAN HE MARRIED, KADIJA, 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HE WAS.
• 03:52 SHE WAS WEALTHY, CAME FROM A CHRISTIAN BACKGROUND,
• 03:56 WHICH IS OF INTEREST TO UNDERSTANDING ISLAM.
• 03:58 THIS WOMAN WAS HIS PROTECTOR.
• 04:01 IT'S NOT THAT MOHAMMED DESPISED WOMEN, BUT MOHAMMED SAW WOMEN AS PROTECTED PROPERTY.
• 04:09 THAT'S ONE OF THE CHAPTERS WE HAVE ON THE BOOK, "PROTECTED PROPERTY" THAT IS,
• 04:13 YOU HOLD HER UP IN THE HIGHEST ESTEEM, BUT, PLEASE MAKE NO MISTAKE SHE IS IN FACT,
• 04:18 UNDER THE SLEEVE OF THE HUSBAND, TO USE OF OUR IDIOMS, ONE OF OUR PEOPLE'S IDIOMS.
• 04:23 BUT, WHEN WE WERE IN AFGHANISTAN,
• 04:26 WE LEARNED THAT DURING THE REIGN OF THE TALIBAN,
• 04:29 WHERE THEY HAD THE WOMEN COMPLETELY COVERED
• 04:31 AND WOULDN'T EVEN GIVE THEM MEDICAL CARE,
• 04:34 BUT, THE WOMEN WERE MEETING IN BASEMENTS
• 04:36 AND WHAT WERE THEY DOING, BUT PAINTING EACH OTHERS FACES.
• 04:38 OF COURSE.
• 04:39 THIS IS THE NATURE OF WOMEN.
• 04:41 WRITTEN ON THE MOSQUES WALL IN KABAL, IN ARABIC,
• 04:45 ARE THE WORDS FROM THE 4TH KALIF, DO NOT TEACH THE WOMEN TO READ AND WRITE.
• 04:51 THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT IF YOU TEACH THE WOMEN TO READ AND WRITE,
• 04:54 THE WOMAN BECOMES, BY NATURE, LIBERATED FROM ANY TYPE OF OPPRESSION.
• 05:00 THIS IS WHY, WHEN WOMEN IN ISLAM COME TO JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR,
• 05:03 IT IS A SENSE OF-- AN EXPLOSION OF LIBERATION.
• 05:06 I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH MY HUSBAND TO GET TO GOD.
• 05:09 YOUR HUSBAND IN ISLAM, CAN KEEP YOU FROM ALLAH
• 05:13 AND CAN BLOCK YOUR PRAYERS, FROM THE MUSLIM GOD.
• 05:15 OF COURSE, YES.
• 05:17 BUT, IN CHRISTIANITY, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW AND GENTILE
• 05:21 SLAVE AND FREE, MALE AND FEMALE.
• 05:24 THIS IS ONE OF THE GREAT LIBERATING POINTS IN CHRISTIANITY.
• 05:29 ALRIGHT, BESIDES THE WOMEN, THE ISSUE OF THE DAY, HOLY WAR.
• 05:35 WHAT IS REALLY, IF I'M NOT WRONG,
• 05:37 I WOULD SAY THAT THE MUSLIMS HAVE A PLAN TO TAKE US OVER.
• 05:42 THEY HAVE TAKEN 22 MIDDLE EASTERN NATIONS.
• 05:44 I THINK ISRAEL IS 23.
• 05:46 I THINK THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, AMERICA, ETC, ARE NUMBERS 24 THROUGH SO AND SO
• 05:51 AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STOP.
• 05:53 30 YEARS AGO, AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI SAID, 30 YEARS AGO HE SAID,
• 05:56 WE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL AMERICA IS AN ISLAMIC NATION.
• 06:00 IF YOU REMEMBER IN ESCHATOLOGY, IN PROPHECY,
• 06:02 ISLAM'S ENTIRE PROPHECY IS BASED ON WORLD DOMINATION.
• 06:06 ALLAH WILL COME AND JUDGE.
• 06:08 IF YOU EVER STUDIED THE, I CALL IT THE "STAY BEHIND SERIES",
• 06:11 THE MUSLIMS BELIEF OF THE END TIMES, NOT LEFT BEHIND, BUT, STAY BEHIND.
• 06:15 THEY BELIEVE THAT JESUS, FOLLOWING ALLAH'S COMMAND, WILL COME BACK.
• 06:18 JESUS WILL DO THREE THINGS: HE WILL KILL ALL THE SWINE, BREAK ALL THE CROSSES,
• 06:23 HE WILL THEN KILL ALL THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS WHO DO NOT ACCEPT ALLAH.
• 06:27 SOME MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT HE LANDS ON A MINARET IN DAMASCUS.
• 06:33 OTHERS BELIEVE HE COMES TO THE MT. OF OLIVES.
• 06:35 BUT, EVERYTHING FOR JESUS' RETURN, ISA, IN ISLAM,
• 06:38 EVERYTHING FOR HIS RETURN IS BASED ON WORLD DOMINATION.
• 06:41 THEY HAVE TO DOMINATE.
• 06:42 IT'S GEOPOLITICAL AS MUCH AS IT IS RELIGIOUS.
• 06:45 I SPEAK IN CHURCHES ABOUT THIS AND WHEN I'M ASKED ABOUT THEIR RELIGION,
• 06:52 I FIND MYSELF SAYING, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT FEELING,
• 06:55 YOU'RE SPEAKING AND YOU'RE INSPIRED AND OUT COMES WORDS YOU HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE,
• 06:59 BUT I FIND MYSELF SAYING, IT'S NOT REALLY A RELIGION,
• 07:03 FOR ALL THEIR PROTESTATIONS, IT'S A LAND GRABBING SCHEME.
• 07:06 THE NAZIS HAD A SCHEME, AN IDEOLOGY, A COCKAMAMIE RACIAL THEORY,
• 07:12 BUT THEY WANTED OTHER PEOPLES PRODUCE.
• 07:15 THE COMMUNIST, THEY WERE THE WORKERS OWN THE, EVERYBODY'S FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
• 07:20 BALONEY! THEY WANTED OTHER PEOPLES LANDS.
• 07:22 MUSLIMS BEHAVE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY.
• 07:27 AND REMEMBER MOHAMMED'S LAST WORDS AS RECORDED IN THE HADITH,
• 07:33 I GET IN TROUBLE FOR CALLING ISLAM A FORM OF MEDIEVAL MORMONISM.
• 07:38 THERE ARE SO MANY PARALLELS, POLYGAMY, TURNING JESUS INTO A PROPHET,
• 07:42 A NEW BOOK WHICH IS BASICALLY TAKING FROM THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT
• 07:45 AND CHANGING AS YOU WISH, TOTALLY WORK CENTERED
• 07:48 BUT ONE OF THE KEYS IS, BOTH IN MORMONISM AND IN ISLAM,
• 07:51 WE WANT TO ESTABLISH THE PERFECT LAND.
• 07:55 IN MORMONISM, SALT LAKE CITY BECAME THIS.
• 07:57 IT BECAME THE KINGDOM OF EARTH, ON EARTH.
• 08:00 IN ISLAM, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PERFECTLY PURE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC WAS MOHAMMED'S DREAM.
• 08:06 THE ONLY THING THAT STOPPED THIS WAS, AFTER HIS DEATH IN 632,
• 08:09 WHEN HE DIES, THE SPLINTERING AMONG THE ISLAMIC SECTS,
• 08:13 BUT IF THEY WOULD HAVE REMAINED TOGETHER, HIS DREAM WAS AN ISLAMIC WORLD.
• 08:17 WHEN I WAS IN SALT LAKE CITY, I FELT VERY AT HOME AT FIRST.
• 08:20 I MEAN, THERE IS THE BANK OF ZION,
• 08:21 THERE'S EVEN THE DEAD SEA, SO TO SPEAK.
• 08:25 BUT, THERE WERE NO JEWS.
• 08:28 THE BANK OF ZION--
• 08:30 YOU'RE NOT REALLY WELCOME.
• 08:32 THEY ARE A NEW CHOSEN PEOPLE AND JUST AS THEIR LAKE DOES NOT TASTE AS SALTY AS THE DEAD SEA,
• 08:38 AND I TRIED THAT, IT DOES NOT HAVE AS MUCH OF THE SALT OF THE EARTH AS THE REAL DEAD SEA.
• 08:44 BUT, YOU SEE HOW THE MORMONS AND THE MUSLIMS BOTH TREAT THE JEW.
• 08:46 THEY SAY THE JEW HAS BEEN REPLACED.
• 08:49 THE NEW CHILDREN OF GOD, THE NEW CHILDREN OF ALLAH
• 08:51 ARE THE MUSLIM IN THE MUSLIM WORLD.
• 08:53 WELL, THE JEW HAD THE BOOK, BUT IT WAS CORRUPT.
• 08:55 THEY CHANGED THE STORIES, IBRAHIM DOES NOT TAKE,
• 08:58 TO THE TOP OF MT. MORIAH, ISAAC, HE TAKES ISHMAEL.
• 09:02 ONE OF THE CELEBRATIONS, ONE OF THE EADS
• 09:04 AND WHAT HAPPENS BY DOING SO, THE JEW IS REPLACED, THE SAME THING IN MORMONISM.
• 09:08 IT'S REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. I ALWAYS TEACH THAT, TOO.
• 09:12 IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO REPLACE CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM.
• 09:16 YES SIR, YES SIR.
• 09:17 CAN THEY WIN?
• 09:19 I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I ABSOLUTELY DON'T BELIEVE SO.
• 09:20 OBVIOUSLY, SPIRITUALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY CAN WIN.
• 09:23 GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN US,
• 09:24 NO, THEY WOULDN'T WIN SPIRITUALLY
• 09:25 BUT EVEN IN THE POLITICAL SENSE, I OFTEN GET THE QUESTION,
• 09:27 WELL, DON'T YOU THINK THAT ISLAM IS THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON, REVELATION 17?
• 09:33 BUT, YOU MISUNDERSTAND, ISLAM IS AN OLIGARCHY.
• 09:37 ISLAM IS BASED ON TOTAL SUPPRESSION, CONVERSION BY THE SWORD.
• 09:41 MANKIND, BY IT'S VERY NATURE, HUMANKIND, BY OUR VERY NATURE,
• 09:47 WE DON'T LIKE TO BE FORCED TO DO ANYTHING.
• 09:51 I DON'T THINK CONVERSIONS BY THE SWORD WILL EVER WORK.
• 09:53 I THINK THEY CAN OPPRESS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME,
• 09:55 BUT THEY CAN NEVER COMPLETELY STAMP OUT MAN'S DESIRE
• 09:58 FOR HIS OWN FREE WILL, EVEN IN REBELLION.
• 10:03 ARE WE DOING THE RIGHT THING ON THIS WAR ON TERRORISM?
• 10:08 IT LOOKED TO ME AS IF WE'RE ATTACKED FROM SAUDI ARABI, BY SAUDI ARABIANS,
• 10:13 SO WE GO TO AFGHANISTAN AND WE GO TO IRAQ AND THOSE ARE--
• 10:17 I'M NOT CRITICIZING, I THINK WE'VE LIBERATED A GREAT MANY PEOPLE
• 10:21 AND CAUSED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO LIVE A MUCH BETTER LIFE.
• 10:26 BUT, WE'RE STILL NOT GETTING THE SAUDIS AND SYRIANS AND THE PLO
• 10:32 AND THE IRANIANS, THE REAL TERRORISTS, IT SEEMS TO ME.
• 10:36 WHAT WE HAVE DONE, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL THINGS THAT I SAY.
• 10:42 BUT, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ IS NOT ONLY NECESSARY,
• 10:47 BUT IT IS MORAL, IT IS JUST.
• 10:50 I AM ONE OF 1.6 BILLION PEOPLE ON THE PLANET WHO COME FROM A MUSLIM BACKGROUND.
• 10:56 1.6 BILLION, I OUT OF 5 PEOPLE WHO WALK THIS EARTH.
• 10:59 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN ONE ACT IS TRANSFORM WORLD HISTORY IN THE LAST 1300 YEARS.
• 11:05 IF THIS GRAND EXPERIMENT OF IRAQ TAKES PLACE,
• 11:09 IF IT ACTUALLY WORKS AND THIS NEW INTERIM IRAQI CONSTITUTION BECOMES THE LAW OF THE LAND,
• 11:14 THE FIRST ISLAMIC REPUBLIC IN HISTORY TO EXCEPT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
• 11:19 WHAT WE'VE DONE IN IRAQ IS WE'VE ALLOWED MY PEOPLE TO HEAR THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST
• 11:22 WITHOUT BEING STONED TO DEATH AS A CONSEQUENCE.
• 11:25 WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO TAKE A PAGE, IF I MAY,
• 11:29 OUT OF ISLAMIC WISDOM, WE HAVE CUT THE HEAD OFF THE SNAKE
• 11:32 BECAUSE THE ONE THING HAMAS, THAT ADA FAIN,
• 11:36 ALL THE VARIOUS TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS HAVE IN COMMON IS A COMMON VOICE.
• 11:42 FOR 1300 YEARS MUSLIMS FIGHT.
• 11:44 NOW THEY EITHER FIGHT EACH OTHER, IRAN-IRAQ WAR IN 1980'S
• 11:49 OR THEY FIGHT AGAINST A COMMON ENEMY.
• 11:51 SALADIN IN THE CRUSADES, SALADIN WAS BRILLIANT BECAUSE SALADIN UNITED ALL MUSLIMS,
• 11:55 SUNNI, SUFFI, ALUITS, SHIA, HE UNITED ALL OF THEM AGAINST A COMMON IBLAS, A COMMON SATAN.
• 12:02 THAT'S WHAT BIN LADEN HAS DONE. HE'S UNITED ALL MUSLIMS.
• 12:06 THEY DON'T FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER FOR A WHILE,
• 12:07 BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE FIGHTING AGAINST A COMMON ENEMY,
• 12:10 THE GREAT SHATAN, THE GREAT SATAN.
• 12:12 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CUT THE HEAD OFF THE SNAKE.
• 12:16 GO AFTER THE VOICE.
• 12:18 GO AFTER THE LEADERSHIP AND WHAT YOU END UP HAVING IS
• 12:21 THEY WILL END UP SPLINTERING AND FIGHTING AGAINST EACH OTHER ONCE AGAIN.
• 12:23 WELL, THAT'S HAPPENED IN IRAQ IN A WAY.
• 12:26 WE CUT OFF SADDAM HUSSEIN AND NOW YOU HAVE DIFFERENT PARTIES ARGUING IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
• 12:29 SHIITE VERSUS SUNNI AND SUNNI VERSUS KURD
• 12:31 AND YOU HAVE IN IRAQ, 60% OF THE COUNTRY IS SHIITE, 20% ARE SUNNI, 20% ARE KURD.
• 12:37 THAT WILL BE AN INTERNAL CIVIL WAR.
• 12:40 I PRAY IT DOESN'T BECOME A VIOLENT ONE, BUT IT WILL BE A CIVIL WAR FOR YEARS
• 12:43 AND IF THEY ARE CONCENTRATING ON EACH OTHER, THEY'RE NOT COMING AFTER US.
• 12:47 HE'S ERGUN CANER. HE'S THE BOTTOM LINE ON ISLAM.
• 12:50 HE LIVED THE STUFF, HE ATE AND DRANK THE STUFF AS HAS HIS FAMILY FOR MANY CENTURIES.
• 12:55 WE'LL BE BACK WITH HIM RIGHT AFTER THIS.
• 13:11 FOR A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST,
• 13:15 ASK FOR ZOLA'S FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER.
• 13:23 ZOLA'S NEW KINGDOM CATALOG DESCRIBES HIS, BOOKS,
• 13:26 TEACHING TAPES AND CORRESPONDENCE COURSE.
• 13:30 FOR ZOLA'S FREE NEWSLETTER AND CATALOG,
• 13:49 THUS SAYETH THE LORD GOD, I SHALL GATHER YOU FROM THE PEOPLES
• 13:53 AND ASSEMBLE YOU OUT OF THE COUNTRIES WHERE YOU'VE BEEN SCATTERED
• 13:57 AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 14:00 THE WILDERNESS AND THE DRY LAND SHALL BE GLAD.
• 14:03 THE DESERT SHALL REJOICE AND BLOSSOM AS THE ROSE.
• 14:07 YOU SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD WHEN I BRING YOU INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 14:16 OF COURSE, ERGUN, WE STILL TAKE OUR TOURS, PEOPLE COME.
• 14:19 ARAFAT'S TRYING TO MAKE IT A WAR-TORN NATION.
• 14:24 THE LIE ALMOST FLIES, BUT IT DOESN'T QUITE.
• 14:27 PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND
• 14:29 ISRAEL IS A PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY RUNNING LIKE A WATCH.
• 14:31 THE PALESTINIANS, THROUGH SO MANY SELF INFLICTED WOUNDS,
• 14:35 ARE DESTITUTE ALMOST, ECONOMICALLY, MORALLY.
• 14:40 I DON'T GET IT.
• 14:42 BUT, WHEN WE TRAVEL THERE WE DO SEE THESE VEILED WOMEN
• 14:45 AND I'M WONDERING IN YOUR BOOK, "VOICES BEHIND THE VEIL"
• 14:49 IT'S WRITTEN BY CHRISTIAN WOMEN THAT WERE MUSLIMS?
• 14:53 IS THAT THE IDEA?
• 14:55 WELL, NOT JUST CHRISTIAN WOMEN WHO CAME OUT OF ISLAM, MISSIONARIES TO MUSLIMS.
• 14:59 OH, MISSIONARIES.
• 15:01 AND THEN SOME THAT ARE FORMER MUSLIMS.
• 15:03 ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I WANTED TO FIND A BOOK THAT WOMEN WOULD COME UP AND SAY,
• 15:08 WELL, I WANT SOMETHING THAT SPEAKS TO THE CONDITION OF WOMEN
• 15:11 AND WHAT WE EITHER HAD WAS DEFENSES OF ISLAM, SECULAR BOOKS OR REACTIONARY WORKS,
• 15:19 STUFF THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE, "CHICKEN LITTLE, THE SKY IS FALLING" TYPE STUFF.
• 15:23 THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS A BOOK, FOR CHRISTIAN WOMEN, ABOUT MUSLIM WOMEN
• 15:27 AND THIS VITAL BECAUSE ONE OF THE MORE RELEVANT PROTOCOLS IN MY CULTURE,
• 15:32 THE ISLAMIC IS THIS, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CROSS-GENDER EVANGELISM.
• 15:38 IF YOU, AS A CHRISTIAN CAME TO THE DOOR AND A MUSLIM WOMAN ANSWERS
• 15:42 AND YOU BEGAN SHARING THE GOSPEL WITH HER,
• 15:45 YOU HAVE EITHER DISHONORED HER FAMILY OR YOU'VE INSULTED HER HUSBAND.
• 15:48 IT IS WOMAN TO WOMAN, MAN TO MAN IN MY CULTURE THAT THE COMMUNICATION GOES ON.
• 15:54 BY AND LARGE THE VEIL IS THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT YOU AS A MAN,
• 15:57 LOOKING UPON THEIR WIVES BUT, WOMAN TO WOMAN,
• 16:00 THEY HAVE ALL THE COMMUNICATION EVEN WITH THE HEATHENS EVEN WITH THE JEW OR THE CHRISTIAN,
• 16:05 THE MUSLIM WOMAN IS ALLOWED TO COMMUNICATE.
• 16:07 WHAT I DID IS THIS, I PUT TOGETHER A RESEARCH PROJECT
• 16:11 WHERE THESE WOMEN TOLD ABOUT THERE LIVES.
• 16:13 THEY HAVE COME OUT OF SHIA, SUNNI, SUFFI
• 16:16 AND WE HAVE ONE WHO CAME OUT OF DRUZE BACKGROUND WHO ARE NOW CHRISTIANS.
• 16:21 WE ASKED THEM TO EXPLAIN YOU LIFE FROM BIRTH TO DEATH,
• 16:24 WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A MUSLIM CHILD, DAUGHTER, BETROTHED, YOUNG BRIDE, MOTHER,
• 16:31 ALL THE WAY THROUGH DEATH AND EXPLAIN TO US HOW A CHRISTIAN WOMAN
• 16:36 CAN REACH INTO THE LIFE OF A MUSLIM WOMAN AND BUILD A BRIDGE INTO HER LIFE.
• 16:41 IN THAT WAY IT'S UNIQUE TO WHAT YOU DO
• 16:44 BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT THE JEWISH CHRISTIAN RELATIONSHIP,
• 16:47 BUT, I MEAN YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES.
• 16:50 THE WORK OF THE COMPLETED JEW, I AM ONE WHO HAS COME TO JESUS CHRIST AS MESSIAH.
• 16:55 WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS IN A SMALL WAY, MIRROR WHAT YOU DO.
• 17:00 WHAT I DID, COMING OUT OF ISLAM, I WANT TO EXPLAIN HOW WE DID THIS,
• 17:04 HOW DID WE COME THIS WAY AND FOR THE WOMAN, THEY DON'T LISTEN, THEY WOULDN'T LISTEN TO ME.
• 17:08 WHY WOULD A WOMAN, A MUSLIM WOMAN LISTEN TO ME?
• 17:11 I'M A KAFIR AL-ASQAR, BUT SHE WILL LISTEN--,
• 17:14 WHAT'S A KAFIR AL-ASQAR?
• 17:16 HIGH INFIDEL.
• 17:17 OH, WORSE THAN A NORMAL INFIDEL. YES.
• 17:21 ALL THE CHRISTIANS ARE INFIDELS, BUT YOU'RE A HIGH INFIDEL.
• 17:23 I HAVE A SPECIAL STAMP OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, IF THAT MAY BE.
• 17:26 I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO HIERARCHY IN THE CHURCH, BUT ACCORDING TO THE ISLAM GROUPS--,
• 17:30 WELL, THE CONSIDER ME, YES, THEY WON'T EVEN LISTEN TO ME,
• 17:33 BUT THE WILL LISTEN TO THE WOMAN THAT THEY ARE WASHING THEIR CLOTHES WITH.
• 17:36 THEY WILL LISTEN TO THAT WOMAN THAT BUILDS THAT BRIDGE INTO HER LIFE.
• 17:40 AND SO, WHAT YOU DO IS UNIQUE BECAUSE, NOT ONLY THE FIRST ONE,
• 17:44 BUT YOU BUILT THE BRIDGE BETWEEN THE TWO.
• 17:46 I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE BRIDGE INTO THE LIVES OF MUSLIM PEOPLE.
• 17:50 I SIGN THE SAME VERSE THAT YOU DO, ROMANS 9:1-3
• 18:01 IF IN A SMALL WAY, I COULD DO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR DECADES,
• 18:04 FOR MY PEOPLE--
• 18:06 YOU ARE DOING THAT IN A PRETTY BIG WAY.
• 18:08 THIS IS PUBLISHED BY KREGEL, I GUESS I CAN GET IT ANY PLACE.
• 18:11 "VOICES BEHIND THE VEIL."
• 18:13 WE WERE BLESSED.
• 18:14 IT HIT THE BEST SELLER LIST IN OCTOBER.
• 18:16 YES, I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
• 18:18 HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING BEHIND THESE VEILS AND SEEING WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON?
• 18:22 SOMETIMES YOU WILL HEAR SOMEBODY SAY, "WELL BEHIND THE VEIL THERE IS A WOMAN WHO'S BEEN LIBERATED"
• 18:26 AND IN MANY WAYS, MUSLIMS IN THEIR CULTURE DID ELEVATE THE POSITION OF WOMEN
• 18:31 FROM CATTLE TO PROPERTY, BUT REMEMBER, IT'S STILL PROTECTED PROPERTY.
• 18:36 IT'S NOT A VERY HIGH CALLING.
• 18:39 A MAN CAN HAVE FOUR WIVES, ACCORDING TO SURAH 4 VERSE 3.
• 18:43 HE CAN HAVE 2, 3 OR 4 WIVES BASED ON THIS VERSE.
• 18:45 A WOMAN IS ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE HUSBAND.
• 18:48 HOW DOES THIS WORK OUT OVER THE WHOLE SOCIETY,
• 18:50 BECAUSE THERE'S PRETTY MUCH AN EQUAL NUMBER OF WOMAN AND MEN.
• 18:53 BUT, YOU WILL HAVE, MOHAMMED WAS MARRIED 12-13 TIMES.
• 18:57 YOU HAVE NOT JUST HIS MARRIAGES, BUT HIS ARRANGED CONCUBINES.
• 19:01 YOU HAVE, IN MOST ISLAMIC COUNTRIES,
• 19:04 MEN WHO NOT ONLY HAVE WIVES, BUT IN THE SHIA WORLD,
• 19:07 YOU HAVE MUT'A, TEMPORARY BRIDES,
• 19:10 TEMPORARY WIVES. PROSTITUTES.
• 19:12 YOU CAN HAVE ONE IN EACH CITY, A MUT'A.
• 19:15 IT IS HORRIBLE.
• 19:19 I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY CALL IT, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, THIS IS IMMORAL
• 19:22 AND WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEIR PREACHING.
• 19:26 THEY DON'T LIKE OUR PRETTY WOMEN ON CNN OR FOX OR WHATEVER.
• 19:30 WE HAVE TO LISTEN AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE WAY THEY BEHAVE.
• 19:33 EVEN IN ETERNITY, THE MAN IS DOMINANT.
• 19:36 YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE MAN GET WHO'S THE BOMBER?
• 19:38 WHAT DOES THE MAN GET WHO STRAPS A BOMB ON?
• 19:40 HE GETS VIRGINS.
• 19:41 70 VIRGINS, PERPETUAL VIRGINS, WAITING ON COUCHES WITH POMEGRANATES.
• 19:45 WHAT DOES THE WOMAN GET?
• 19:47 I WAS OFTEN WONDERING.
• 19:48 WHAT DOES THE FEMALE JIHADIN GET?
• 19:50 IF YOU TELL A WOMAN THAT IF YOU STRAP A BOMB TO YOURSELF,
• 19:53 THERE ARE 70 VIRGIN MEN WAITING FOR YOU.
• 19:57 THAT'S NOT HEAVEN FOR HER.
• 19:59 THAT WOULD BE ANNOYING.
• 20:00 SHE'LL SPEND ETERNITY PUSHING THEM AWAY, "LEAVE ME ALONE".
• 20:03 BUT, WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THE WAHABI DEVELOPED A DOCTRINE.
• 20:06 THE WAHABI DEVELOPED A DOCTRINE OF THE FEMALE JIHADIN.
• 20:10 SHE IS ALLOWED TO PICK WHO WILL GO WITH HER TO PARADISE.
• 20:14 SHE ANNOUNCES, JUST LIKE YOU SEE ON HAMAS, THEY READ IT ON VIDEO NOW,
• 20:18 IT USED TO BE THEY WOULD JUST SPEAK TO THE CITY OR THEY WOULD STAND IN THE CITY SQUARE
• 20:21 AND THEY WOULD READ THE PROCLAMATION THAT I AM A JIHADIN.
• 20:23 THEY SAY WHO THEY WANT TO TAKE WITH THEM TO PARADISE.
• 20:27 THE MOTHER TAKES HER CHILDREN,
• 20:29 THE WOMAN, HER BROTHER OR SOMEONE SHE THINKS WON'T MAKE IT WITHOUT HER HELP.
• 20:32 SO SHE GETS REWARDED AND THEY ARE ALSO TAKEN TO PARADISE.
• 20:36 OF COURSE, AND NOW DO YOU SEE HOW THIS APPLIES TO THE ATONEMENT?
• 20:39 A MAN DIES FOR HIS SELFISH NEEDS IN ISLAM, A WOMAN DIES FOR HER FRIENDS.
• 20:44 IT'S REALLY NICER.
• 20:46 CHRIST DIES FOR THE WORLD.
• 20:48 I USE THAT AS A BRIDGE.
• 20:50 THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, THAT'S LOVELY.
• 20:52 I TELL THE MUSLIM WOMAN, WELL, SEE YOU DON'T HAVE TO STRAP A BOMB TO YOURSELF,
• 20:54 JESUS STRAPPED HIMSELF TO A CROSS AND HE DIED FOR HIS FRIENDS.
• 20:58 WHY DON'T THEY SEE HIM AS A SHAHID?
• 21:00 HE IS A MARTYR.
• 21:01 HE WAS, BUT IT WAS COSMIC DEATH.
• 21:05 MUSLIMS ALWAYS ASKS THE QUESTION,
• 21:07 "WHY DOES SOMEONE ELSE HAVE TO DIE FOR ME?"
• 21:09 REMEMBER, ISLAM IS COMPLETELY WORKS BASED.
• 21:11 IN THE 23RD CHAPTER OF THE QURAN SAYS,
• 21:15 AND IF YOU DIE WITH MORE GOOD THAN BAD, THEN ALLAH FORGETS THE BAD.
• 21:18 BUT, IN CHRISTIANITY, IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE OLD TESTAMENT, WHAT DO WE HAVE?
• 21:22 GOD DOESN'T FORGET IT, GOD PAID IT.
• 21:25 THE DEATH ON THE CROSS WAS THE WRATH OF GOD POURED OUT ON THE BACK.
• 21:37 IT ISN'T A PARDONED OR COMMUTED SENTENCE, HE PAID IT.
• 21:40 IT IS SATISFIED, THE LAW IS SATISFIED.
• 21:43 EXACTLY, THIS PROPITIATION SPEAKS TO THE HEART OF THE MUSLIM BECAUSE YOU SAY,
• 21:47 WAIT, ALLAH ISN'T JUST IF HE JUST FORGETS WHAT YOU DID 49% OF THE TIME.
• 21:52 BUT, GOD IS JUST, IF CHRIST DIED TO FULFILL, TO PAY, TO PROPITIATE, TO REDEEM.
• 21:59 THIS CONCEPT IS STARTING TO WORK.
• 22:01 WE ARE SEEING REVIVAL AMONG OUR PEOPLE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A MILLENNIA.
• 22:04 YOU'RE WRITING A CHRISTIAN COMMENTARY ON THE QURAN, ARE YOU NOT?
• 22:08 IT'S THE BIGGEST PROJECT WE'VE EVER DONE.
• 22:11 MY BROTHER AND I, MY BROTHER TEACHES AT SOUTHEASTERN SEMINARY AND I TEACH AT LIBERTY.
• 22:15 A MILLION WORD COMMENTARY ON THE ENTIRE QURAN,
• 22:20 CHRISTIAN COMMENTARY ON EVERY VERSE ON THE QURAN.
• 22:23 A MILLION WORDS IS A LOT OF WORDS.
• 22:25 WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S A BIGGER PROJECT THAN WE EXPECTED.
• 22:29 THEY WENT AFTER SALMAN RUSHDIE FOR ONE VERSE,
• 22:33 WHEN HE QUOTED FROM THE 53RD SURAH OF THE QURAN.
• 22:37 BUT WE'RE DOING FOR CHRISTIANS SO THAT WHEN YOU AND I HEAR MUSLIM SAY,
• 22:41 AH, "BUT, THE QURAN SAYS", THAT WE CAN GO TO ONE TEXT
• 22:45 AND FIND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, WHY WERE THEY QUOTING THIS?
• 22:50 WHAT DOES THE MUSLIM THINK ABOUT THIS AND HOW DOES THE CHRISTIAN RESPOND TO THIS.
• 22:54 NOW LOOK, WHAT ABOUT THE SALMAN RUSHDIE EFFECT ON YOU AND YOUR BROTHER.
• 22:58 WELL, WE LIVE IN AMERICA. I'M AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.
• 23:01 I CAN'T BE PRESIDENT.
• 23:03 BRITNEY SPEARS CAN BE PRESIDENT, JANET JACKSON CAN BE PRESIDENT, I CAN'T BE PRESIDENT.
• 23:08 I'M AN IMMIGRANT, RIGHT, BUT, I'M AN AMERICAN CITIZEN PROUDLY
• 23:12 BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE IN AMERICA IS RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
• 23:15 RELIGIOUS FREEDOM MEANS I HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAND IN FRONT OF A MOSQUE
• 23:18 AND TELL THEM THAT JESUS SAVES.
• 23:19 THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO STAND IN THEIR MOSQUE AND WORSHIP ALLAH, A DIFFERENT GOD.
• 23:23 A PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP NOTHING IF THEY WISH.
• 23:26 ALL I ASK IS THEY GIVE US THE SAME RIGHT IN THEIR COUNTRIES
• 23:29 THAT WE AFFORD THEM HERE IN AMERICA.
• 23:31 A LITTLE FREEDOM--
• 23:33 ISLAM HAS RELIGIOUS TOLERATION, IT DOESN'T HAVE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
• 23:37 THEY TOLERATE CHRISTIANS IN SYRIA, SAUDI ARABIA,
• 23:40 THEY ALLOW CHRISTIAN, WHO ARE ALREADY CHRISTIANS,
• 23:42 TO ENTER THEIR COUNTRIES, BUT YOU CANNOT BUILD A CHURCH.
• 23:46 YOU CAN NOT TELL A MUSLIM ABOUT CHRIST OR WIN A MUSLIM TO CHRIST.
• 23:49 TAKE THAT SAME THOUGHT TO JUDAISM, THEY DON'T ALLOW JEWS, DO THEY?
• 23:52 NO. I CAN'T IMAGINE BUILDING A SYNAGOGUE.
• 23:54 I FIND THIS SO ODD, SO AMAZING. EVERY TIME I SIT WITH YOU,
• 23:58 I THINK OF EVERYTHING I WAS TAUGHT AS A CHILD UNTIL I WAS ALMOST 20, ABOUT THE JEW,
• 24:04 THE VISCERAL HATRED THAT WE HAD FOR THE JEWS AND NOW,
• 24:10 I FIRST STARTED READING THROUGH THE BIBLE LIKE A TYPICAL NEW BELIEVER,
• 24:13 STARTED WITH MATTHEW AND I KEPT HEARING ALL THESE REFERENCES TO THE OLD TESTAMENT.
• 24:18 GOD HAD TO DO A SECOND WORK IN MY LIFE, NOT A SALVIFIC WORK.
• 24:23 BUT, GOD INSTILLED IN ME, A LOVE FOR THE JEW WHERE THERE HAD BEEN HATRED.
• 24:29 WHERE I HAD BEEN TAUGHT TO HATE, WHERE I HAD BEEN RAISED,
• 24:32 "AH, THE JEWS DRINK THE BLOOD OF OUR CHILDREN", WE WERE TAUGHT THIS,
• 24:35 THAT THE JEWS DRINK THE BLOOD LIABLE.
• 24:37 AND IT TURNS AROUND THAT THEY ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, THE PRIEST NATION.
• 24:41 SURE.
• 24:42 GOD HAS ALWAYS HAD HIS CHILDREN.
• 24:44 GOD HAS ALWAYS LOVED HIS CHILDREN.
• 24:46 NOW I FIND MYSELF IN THE POSITION WHERE,
• 24:48 I GET TO NOT ONLY START WATCHING YOUR PROGRAM AS A YOUNG BOY, AS A YOUNG BELIEVER,
• 24:52 BUT I GET TO SIT ACROSS THE DESK WITH YOU.
• 24:54 IT'S MY PRIVILEGE.
• 24:56 THIS IS SO AVERAGE, THAT SOMEBODY COMES TO LOVE THE JEW BECAUSE HE COMES TO THE LORD.
• 25:05 I DON'T' KNOW, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE IDEA,
• 25:08 WHEN I GO TO CHURCHES, ONE OUT OF 2,000 CHURCHES IN SOME STATES
• 25:14 WANTS TO HEAR ME TALK ABOUT ISRAEL AND PROPHECY IN THE JEWISH NATION,
• 25:17 THE COMING KINGDOM AND THE OTHERS DON'T CARE?
• 25:20 WHY DO SOME CHRISTIANS LOVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE? WHY SOME DON'T?
• 25:25 WELL, HERE WE GO BACK A TIE TO THE MUSLIM WORLD.
• 25:28 IN THE MUSLIM WORLD, WE HAD WHAT WE CALLED MBB, MUSLIM BACKGROUND BELIEVERS.
• 25:33 A LOT OF MBB STILL HAVE THIS VESTIGE OF HATRED FOR THE JEW,
• 25:39 BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE WERE TAUGHT, RAISED THIS WAY.
• 25:41 SO, WHAT DO THEY DO?
• 25:43 HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY HATING ANYBODY, CERTAINLY THE CHILDREN OF GOD?
• 25:46 HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY HATING THE GOD WHO CALLS HIMSELF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB?
• 25:51 WELL, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY DEVELOP A THEOLOGY.
• 25:54 THEY DEVELOP A THEOLOGY THAT PUSHES THE JEW OUT OF THE DOOR,
• 25:58 REPLACES THE JEW WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
• 26:00 IN ISLAM, THEY REPLACE THE JEW WITH THE MUSLIM.
• 26:03 IN THE CHRISTIAN WORLD, THESE CHURCHES REPLACE THE JEW WITH THE CHURCH.
• 26:07 IF YOU CAN REPLACE THE JEW, HE'S NO LONGER THE APPLE IN GOD'S EYE.
• 26:10 IF YOU CAN REPLACE HIM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOVE HIM.
• 26:13 HE'S JUST AS RIGHT ON THAT, AS HE IS ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
• 26:16 HE'S ERGUN CANER.
• 26:18 TUNE IN NEXT WEEK BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GREATEST THREAT TO ISRAEL,
• 26:23 HIS THEOLOGICAL HOLOCAUST THEORIES, THE SHARIA, THE AWFUL LAW OF THE MUSLIMS.
• 26:31 WE'LL TAKE UP THE SUBJECT OF BIN LADEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND
• 26:35 AND GET DOWN TO BUSINESS ABOUT THIS MUSLIM-JEWISH-CHRISTIAN THING.
• 26:41 WE'RE LIVING IN A TIME WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE MUSLIMS,
• 26:46 THAT'S, IF ONLY FOR DEFENSIVE REASONS AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE GUEST LIKE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
• 26:55 WE'VE HAD OTHERS, WHAT DID YOU CALL THEM, MBB MUSLIM BACKGROUND BELIEVERS.
• 27:00 THEY ARE LOVELY BELIEVERS, JUST EQUAL TO ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN.
• 27:08 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.